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[jackofalltrades456]

I’ve already posted this before in the general chat, but I wanted to move this into the spolier section to prevent any conflict with the forum mods.



                 I really feel that Corypheus would be great as the main antagonist for the third game.  That's what some of the fans want; the return of the Darkspawn story-arc. Corypheus was such an amazing villian for me. He was the first ever Darkspawn. He was the oneof the Tevinter Magisters responsible for their creation in the first place. He seems to have almost complete power over the gray wardens, an ability that even the arch demon doesn’t possess. I can just picture him roaming through the deep roads with an army of indoctrinated Wardens trying to bring back his old master and begin a blight lead by Dumot; the most powerful of the Old Gods. Coryphues would easily fit into the Main story of the game.  His existence not only proves that the Chantry may have been right about the Tevinter magisters corrupting the Golden City, but also represent an dark past the Mages are trying to escape.

 

There’s also the similarity between him and the Architect even down to their appearance.  Since Bioware hasn’t mentioned anything about this it’s still just speculation, but I can picture the Architect as one of the former Tevinter Magisters trying to make amends for his role in the creation of the darkspawn. He could represent the Mage side of the story as Corpyheus would for the Templar. The Architect would be trying to prevent history from repeating itself and stop the Mages from making the same mistakes they made in the past. Coryphues, like the Chantry, is still trapped in the past. He wants to continue the damnation of Thedas and the vilification of the Mages. I mean he’s living proof why mages need to be contained by the Chantry!

 

I hope the devs read this and take this into consideration.

Modifié par jackofalltrades456, 19 février 2012 - 04:04 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

So basically the Templar side would be the "bad ending" again? I sincerely hope that BioWare will try and make the situations a little more grey than that.

[JasonPogo]

But can't you kill him in the DLC? If you side with the old Warden Commander? Been a while since i beat it.

[jackofalltrades456]

I really don't see how that would give the Templar a bad ending. I think it would give the player more of a reason to side them. Corypheus represents the damage an unbound mage can do. He is one of the Tevinter Magisters responsible for the corruption of the Golden City and the creation of the Darkspawn. I mean you can't get any worse than that.

And no, they seem to heavily imply that he possessed the old Warden Commander after Hawke defeats him.

[Fast Jimmy]

But you CAN kill the Architect, so any future plots dealing with that will require some hand-waving.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

But you CAN kill the Architect, so any future plots dealing with that will require some hand-waving.

Unless he is like Corypheus is implied, capable of transferring his soul and mind into another host. In which case he very likely survived.

[jackofalltrades456]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

But you CAN kill the Architect, so any future plots dealing with that will require some hand-waving.

Well I chopped Leliana's head off in the last game and she came back. I guess the Maker likes creating zombies:D

If the Architect is a Darkspawn-turned Tevinter Magister I don't see how he wouldn't have similar abilities like Coryphues being able to possessing others. 

Modifié par jackofalltrades456, 21 février 2012 - 01:38 .

[rafalima]

How did you kill Leliana? Was it possible?

[NemeneDamendar]

If you defile the Urn of Ashes, she and Wynne will attack you. I might be wrong, but I think this happens even if you don't take her along - she asks you about it back at camp and then attacks anyways.

[Knight of Dane]

No, back at camp you can lie to her, and if you don't i just think she leaves.

[Iron_JG]

Point of lore: Dumat was the first old god turned into an archdemon, and was slain in the first blight. See http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Dumat. The article does suggest Dumat could be reincarnated somehow for DA3's purposes. If the sacrifices of Grey Wardens haven't truly ended Old Gods, and limited the number of future blights, everybody should be hella worried. Could be interesting, but it'd take some work to get from Point A to Point B.

Anyhoo, if Corypheus or another original magister returns, I'd like them to avoid another "rally giant army against another giant army" storyline. I'd prefer a struggle to more covertly end the threat -- more of a "we're totally f---ed if this reaches critical mass" premise. This ties into the DA3 feedback thread, where I and other people suggested a more personal villain. I suppose the ideal is Irenicus 2.0, where we get dragged on a crazy ass, epic journey with minimal troop-rallying.

[Urzon]

He doesn't show what the mages should be locked up by the Chantry. It shows why mages shouldn't listen to mysterious voices in the Fade whispering promises of power. Even more so, when those voices give them blood magic, and they say "Go sacifice hundreds and thousand of people and use the lake of blood to rip a tear in the Veil."

aka Common Sense, at least for the sane non-power hungry people.

That and the Architect doesn't care about mages. He only cares about the wellbeing of the darkspawn.

Iron_JG wrote...

Point of lore: Dumat was the first old god turned into an archdemon, and was slain in the first blight. See http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Dumat. The article does suggest Dumat could be reincarnated somehow for DA3's purposes. If the sacrifices of Grey Wardens haven't truly ended Old Gods, and limited the number of future blights, everybody should be hella worried. Could be interesting, but it'd take some work to get from Point A to Point B.
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No one really knows if the first Archdemon was really Dumat. They only thought it was Dumat since the first Blight lasted for centuries, and since he was the strongest Old God they only assumed it was him.

Modifié par Urzon, 27 mars 2012 - 11:07 .

[dragonflight288]

Quick note on the lore of darkspawn. Any intelligent, Awakened Darkspawn, cannot hear the call of the Old Gods. the Tevinter Magisters would not be able to hear the call of the old gods. That's what made the mother go insane in Awakening, she desperately wanted to hear the song again.

Bringing back the Darkspawn arch would be interesting, but if Corypheus (and I say 'if' because all we have are theories, and no actual in-game evidence or proof that he possessed Laurius or the female warden mage) were the main antagonist, he would be gathering darkspawn to him much like the Old Gods call darkspawn to them, but Corypheus wouldn't hear them.

My personal opinion is that whoever or whatever the antagonist is in DA3, I would like them morally grey, well developed, and have several good points to their arguments. Like Loghain and Orlais, Cullen and the risk of mages being possessed or blood mages (even though that turns out to not be true in the long run) Bhelen on helping Orzammar as a whole, compared to nice-guy Harrowmont who can only maintain power if he has golems. Etc. etc. etc.

[Macrake]

Iron_JG wrote...

Point of lore: Dumat was the first old god turned into an archdemon, and was slain in the first blight. See http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Dumat. The article does suggest Dumat could be reincarnated somehow for DA3's purposes. If the sacrifices of Grey Wardens haven't truly ended Old Gods, and limited the number of future blights, everybody should be hella worried. Could be interesting, but it'd take some work to get from Point A to Point B.

Anyhoo, if Corypheus or another original magister returns, I'd like them to avoid another "rally giant army against another giant army" storyline. I'd prefer a struggle to more covertly end the threat -- more of a "we're totally f---ed if this reaches critical mass" premise. This ties into the DA3 feedback thread, where I and other people suggested a more personal villain. I suppose the ideal is Irenicus 2.0, where we get dragged on a crazy ass, epic journey with minimal troop-rallying.

Agree fully with your second paragraph here. I have a feeling bioware chose the safe easy route with the main plot again though. I'm fully expecting a 4 main quests to fix X and/or get ally, then confront end boss/army. Havent cared much for biowares main plots since me1 and previous games. They follow such a tired formula, except for da2, which might have been great with another year of dev time.

[AnImpossibleGirl]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

But you CAN kill the Architect, so any future plots dealing with that will require some hand-waving.

Not if his some of his Disciples lived. You know they did. I killed that guy off first chance I got and any of them that came near me. His plan was discusting and would had resulted in damn near direct sterlization of humanity (Because 2 Grey Wardens can not conceive). The Architect was Hitler in Darkspawn form. Yet--in the epilogue The Messenger (?) was mentioned as being seen and spreading the taint. He could have continued his research. Not like The Warden burned the lab down.

http://dragonage.wik...ger_(Awakening)

Modifié par Poshible, 28 mars 2012 - 03:07 .

[Urzon]

Poshible wrote...

 Yet--in the epilogue The Messenger (?) was mentioned as being seen and spreading the taint. He could have continued his research. Not like The Warden burned the lab down.

I'm guessing you didn't even read the article you linked.

"If he is set free, he will be mentioned in the ending as a helpful hooded traveler with a slight lisp who aided those he came by."

The darkspawn can't control the Taint. It is their very being (and lifeforce). He was trying to do the right thing and help anyone he came across, but he was also accidently spreading the Taint as well. While the Architect did leave notes on his experiments, i doubt the Messenger (or any of his Disciples) would be interested in them; much less be able to understand them.

The only people that would be able to understand any of it are either some scholars in the Circles (most like Tevinter since his research was blood magic), and Avernus since he has been studing the Taint and blood magic for centuries.

Modifié par Urzon, 29 mars 2012 - 07:00 .

[Arppis]

Bah, I actualy want baddie who isn't evil for sake of evil or too clearly a bad guy/girl.

[nightscrawl]

Iron_JG wrote...

Point of lore: Dumat was the first old god turned into an archdemon, and was slain in the first blight. See http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Dumat. The article does suggest Dumat could be reincarnated somehow for DA3's purposes. If the sacrifices of Grey Wardens haven't truly ended Old Gods, and limited the number of future blights, everybody should be hella worried. Could be interesting, but it'd take some work to get from Point A to Point B.

Anyhoo, if Corypheus or another original magister returns, I'd like them to avoid another "rally giant army against another giant army" storyline. I'd prefer a struggle to more covertly end the threat -- more of a "we're totally f---ed if this reaches critical mass" premise. This ties into the DA3 feedback thread, where I and other people suggested a more personal villain. I suppose the ideal is Irenicus 2.0, where we get dragged on a crazy ass, epic journey with minimal troop-rallying.

The point you mention of Dumat somehow returning is only suggested by...

... Corypheus frequently commands "Dumat, grant me your powers!" during battle to which a power is always granted. The quest Altar of Dumat can result in an amulet if sacrifices are made. Both of these events suggest that Dumat still has some form of presence in the world despite being slain.

Which I think is pretty inconclusive. They could have put those lines in there as a gameplay element since devs like bosses to shout things during the fight. Similarly the alter is only like so many similar things found throughout both Dragon Age games where you interact with an inanimate object of some sort, usually a type of puzzle, and get a reward. So it doesn't necessarily mean anything, and IMO conjecture such as this should stay out of wikis.

I hope that they don't do that to be honest. It would require quite a bit of hand waving and everything about the last millennium of history in Thedas would be in question. True, the Grey Wardens don't know everything, but let's at least have some consistency. Of course, if DG was willing to have the rite of Tranquility be tinkered with in Asunder, who knows what those crazy writers are capable of. >.>

To your second point, I'm torn on whether or not I want a more personal villain or not. In DAO the main foe was the Blight and the Archdemon and it was a world wide issue. In DA2, none of the individual things experienced in the game had an impact on the world, but the final result culminated in a breakdown in the structure of things in the lands influenced by the Chantry, which does have a world wide impact in the long run. A more personal villain doesn't really seem to affect the story of Thedas all that much. Sure my PC will care, but once the game is over, why will those events be important?

Modifié par nightscrawl, 30 mars 2012 - 01:49 .

[Frocharocha]

There will be multiple antagonists for sure. Like the Qunari, the mages, the Orlisian empire, the harvesters and soo on. About Corypheus, nah i don't think he is going to be the main anthagonist.But, he was probaly lying so Hawke could kill him and then he could transfer his soul without having future assasination problems. If the theory about Dread wolf/Maker being the same creature is true, he is also going to be a probaly anthagonist. My opinion is:

-Mage army leader= secundary anthagonist.
-Mage army leader= secundary anthagonist.
-Qunari leaders= secundary anthagonists.
- The Divine= Don't know for sure.
-Orlais= secundary anthagonists.
-Harvesters= Big problem for sure.
-Flemeth= A mistery as always.
-Demons and bloodmages= raping each other and as well being antagonists.
-Elfs= Want to tear human apart.
-Corypheus= A mistery.
-Grey Wardens= Still a mistery, but they are connected.
-Architet= Probaly going to show up with his inteligent darkspawn army.
-Darkspawn and new archdemon= possibility.


I think DA3 is going to be similar to ME3. The protagonist needs to gather an army of allies or make peace between the factions or join one and fight the other ones. Yeah, this matchs with the sentence:

"The world you knew will change forever." By Flemeth..

[Halberd96]

Well I'm guessing the plot will have to do with the mage and templar conflict and there has been evidence to suggest that a war between nations will also be in Dragon Age 3, but we could be wrong about that.

Knowing the previous two Dragon Age games there will probably be at least two antagonists that aren't on the same side but are still tied to the story, but I don't think that is 100% definite (it all depends on the story the writers make.)