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[mauro2222]

didymos1120 wrote...

IElitePredatorI wrote...

Maybe it is natural instinct?

They're still largely machines. How does the concept of "natural instinct" even apply?

I thought they were cyborgs.

[a load of stanton]

Siddan wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

They're immortalizing all the worthy races. They' just don't want to be alone.

Also a very interesting thought, but how does that grant them Salvation? 

all races are worthy but worthiest race becomes a dreadnought the other not so worthy become deystroyers end of story

[G3rman]

Go read the script.

[Painaid]

Siddan wrote...

Painaid wrote...

I certainly hope it's not because they've been waiting for a race like humans to arrive. That would greatly diminish the postmodern tone of the entire game where humans aren't special and that we're just one race in the galactic community. I'm tired of all the sci-fi stories where humanity is super special.

But the reapers allready seem to think we are "super special", and I don't know if that's only because of Shepards actions, or something else. Mordin said something about humans being more genetically diverse than the rest of the species in the galaxy. That also makes us more "special" than others. 

I'm ok with this. Just not wit the way the OP had speculated that humans were special. As far as I have inferred, the only reason the Reapers are interested in creating humans is because they want to turn us into a Reaper. It seems like every harvest they try to take one of the most worthy races and turn them into one. They tried this with the Protheans but it failed. Perhaps they just weren't genetically diverse enough. But considering how many reapers there are, it implies there have been plenty of worthy races through the eons.

[KevShep]

didymos1120 wrote...

“Why are you here?” Kahlee asked. “What do you want from us?” She wasn’t sure if the Reapers would even reply. All she was hoping for was that she might be able to engage the Reapers enough to give Grayson a fighting chance. A fighting chance to do what, however, she couldn’t say.

“We seek salvation,” Grayson said, much to her surprise. “Ours and yours.”

I have a theory on this called "cool reaper theory". 

In it I propose that they are ether wanting to bring back there long old dead race (humans, Through evolution).  Or they are looking to find an organic race that they can become alive again, and humans happen to be the ones chosen. This makes me think that Shepard is brought back as a human reaper. This may be why they are intrested in Shepard and humans and why the reapers have chosen cerberus!

Modifié par KevShep, 19 février 2012 - 08:20 .

[didymos1120]

mauro2222 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

IElitePredatorI wrote...

Maybe it is natural instinct?

They're still largely machines. How does the concept of "natural instinct" even apply?

I thought they were cyborgs.

"Largely".  Do you think they've got lungs and a heart and whatnot?  No, they're mostly made of cables and hull plating and mechanical joints and eezo cores and.... 

Even if their minds are derived from those of organics, they're highly non-natural constructs.

[Siddan]

I just hope they aren't a form of sentient mechanical birth-control, reaping us to keep the galaxy in check, and allowing new races to rise. Come to think of it, it sounds more like a galactic gardener.

[Rrezz]

"we are your salvation through destruction"
"we are your genetic destiny"

they seek to live, and to bring life anew. they do not wipe out civilizations, they repurpose them. either to serve them as the Keepers and Collectors did, or as new members of their society.

[Siddan]

didymos1120 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

IElitePredatorI wrote...

Maybe it is natural instinct?

They're still largely machines. How does the concept of "natural instinct" even apply?

I thought they were cyborgs.

"Largely".  Do you think they've got lungs and a heart and whatnot?  No, they're mostly made of cables and hull plating and mechanical joints and eezo cores and.... 

Even if their minds are derived from those of organics, they're highly non-natural constructs.

One thing I hope they'll answer is who created them. You can clearly see the interior of Sovereign in ME1, it's made so that organics may use it. We don't know for a fact however if ALL reapers look this way inside. Perhaps it's only the "scout" left behind that has this type of design

[RogueMumei]

eldrjth wrote...

their own home galaxy which dates back to the beginning of the universe, has mostly sunken into its super massive blackhole core long ago, save for a few star systems of very high importance to the reapers on the outer rim. its was the inevitability that their galaxy be swallowed by its core that drove them outwards to find other suitable galaxies to provide them with resources...

I'd just like to point out that matter orbits black holes just as it orbits all other masses. If our sun was magically turned into a black hole with the same mass as our sun, the Earth would continue its orbit unchanged. In other words, galaxies aren't eaten alive by the super-massive blackholes at their center of gravity. 

(Yes, I am lame.)

[Baka-no-Neko]

If they are machines then who built them? Are they serving a higher being? Or are they, as someone said, trying to merely survive through what Rrezz said. It makes ME3 all the more exciting, I hope the reasoning Bioware gives is good.

[mauro2222]

didymos1120 wrote...

"Largely".  Do you think they've got lungs and a heart and whatnot?  No, they're mostly made of cables and hull plating and mechanical joints and eezo cores and.... 

Even if their minds are derived from those of organics, they're highly non-natural constructs.

Well... yeah, tough, the people juice it's like their blood. I think.

[Rrezz]

Baka-no-Neko wrote...

If they are machines then who built them? Are they serving a higher being? Or are they, as someone said, trying to merely survive through what Rrezz said. It makes ME3 all the more exciting, I hope the reasoning Bioware gives is good.

I imagine they were Built by the first people, but not as a tool of destruction, but as a means to save their dying race. perhap they thought that all civilizations would suffer the same fate they did, so as a result they "save" them by turning them into reapers the same way they turned themselves into the first reaper to prevent extinction.

[Baka-no-Neko]

RogueMumei wrote...

eldrjth wrote...

their own home galaxy which dates back to the beginning of the universe, has mostly sunken into its super massive blackhole core long ago, save for a few star systems of very high importance to the reapers on the outer rim. its was the inevitability that their galaxy be swallowed by its core that drove them outwards to find other suitable galaxies to provide them with resources...

I'd just like to point out that matter orbits black holes just as it orbits all other masses. If our sun was magically turned into a black hole with the same mass as our sun, the Earth would continue its orbit unchanged. In other words, galaxies aren't eaten alive by the super-massive blackholes at their center of gravity. 

(Yes, I am lame.)

I thought that only happened once a black hole had nothing more within range to feed it, and then they fall silent?

Modifié par Baka-no-Neko, 19 février 2012 - 08:21 .

[Baka-no-Neko]

Rrezz wrote...

Baka-no-Neko wrote...

If they are machines then who built them? Are they serving a higher being? Or are they, as someone said, trying to merely survive through what Rrezz said. It makes ME3 all the more exciting, I hope the reasoning Bioware gives is good.

I imagine they were Built by the first people, but not as a tool of destruction, but as a means to save their dying race. perhap they thought that all civilizations would suffer the same fate they did, so as a result they "save" them by turning them into reapers the same way they turned themselves into the first reaper to prevent extinction.

Now that sounds good, I like the way you think!

[hwf]

"The cycle cannot be broken." -Sovereign
I'm assuming that breaking the cycle would be bad for everyone, which includes the Reapers.

In ME1 on Eden Prime, early on in the first combat mission, there is an unhinged scientist who rambles about the Prothean beacon.
He mentions that this Prothean artifact is a "heart of evil", how we've "unleashed the Beast" and "unleashed the Darkness".

I'm willing to bet the Mass Effect technology, eezo, has some drawbacks.

[hitorihanzo]

I was watching Mission Impossible 3 the other day. Simon Peg's character brought up something called the "Anti-God." Meaning that it is inevitable that a species will one day create a technology (compound, weapon, etc.) that would one day destroy everything, making that culture extinct. Perhaps that is why the Reapers want our technology to develop along the paths that they desire? I may be way off. Just thinking out loud.

[Siddan]

Baka-no-Neko wrote...

If they are machines then who built them? Are they serving a higher being? Or are they, as someone said, trying to merely survive through what Rrezz said. It makes ME3 all the more exciting, I hope the reasoning Bioware gives is good.

Why would they need to destroy all the civilizations in order to survive? I think the word Salvation is the key here, but the word is, I guess, relative to their cause. Their salvation might lie in reproducing. And I too hope that Bioware will give us a satisfactory answer to all these questions, but I fear they might have created something to ambitious to explain fully. Perhaps we would be better off not knowing and forming our own conclusions. I've heard from a few that have read the script that their reason isn't very logical at all. I hope that's not the case But I guess it's impossible to please everyone.

[AkiKishi]

hwf wrote...

"The cycle cannot be broken." -Sovereign
I'm assuming that breaking the cycle would be bad for everyone, which includes the Reapers.

In ME1 on Eden Prime, early on in the first combat mission, there is an unhinged scientist who rambles about the Prothean beacon.
He mentions that this Prothean artifact is a "heart of evil", how we've "unleashed the Beast" and "unleashed the Darkness".

I'm willing to bet the Mass Effect technology, eezo, has some drawbacks.

Protheans look like Cthulu and thats never a good thing.

[KevShep]

Siddan wrote...

 I've heard from a few that have read the script that their reason isn't very logical at all. I hope that's not the case But I guess it's impossible to please everyone.

The leak does not have specifics in it reguarding the plot. There is no way for them to know that.

[Siddan]

hitorihanzo wrote...

I was watching Mission Impossible 3 the other day. Simon Peg's character brought up something called the "Anti-God." Meaning that it is inevitable that a species will one day create a technology (compound, weapon, etc.) that would one day destroy everything, making that culture extinct. Perhaps that is why the Reapers want our technology to develop along the paths that they desire? I may be way off. Just thinking out loud.

yeah that's a very interesting thought, and as someone else mentioned, the "first people" might have seen what would happen if an intelligent race evolved too far.

The protheans were very close to unlocking the secrets of the mass relays when they were eradicated. The "first people" might have seen what happens once you reach a certain point of evolution; once you know "everything" you also have the power to destroy the entire galaxy or something. The reapers are a neccesary precation to prevent this from happening, but still allowing life to flourish

[Siddan]

KevShep wrote...

Siddan wrote...

 I've heard from a few that have read the script that their reason isn't very logical at all. I hope that's not the case But I guess it's impossible to please everyone.

The leak does not have specifics in it reguarding the plot. There is no way for them to know that.

Good to hear  

[RogueMumei]

Baka-no-Neko wrote...

RogueMumei wrote...

eldrjth wrote...

their own home galaxy which dates back to the beginning of the universe, has mostly sunken into its super massive blackhole core long ago, save for a few star systems of very high importance to the reapers on the outer rim. its was the inevitability that their galaxy be swallowed by its core that drove them outwards to find other suitable galaxies to provide them with resources...

I'd just like to point out that matter orbits black holes just as it orbits all other masses. If our sun was magically turned into a black hole with the same mass as our sun, the Earth would continue its orbit unchanged. In other words, galaxies aren't eaten alive by the super-massive blackholes at their center of gravity. 

(Yes, I am lame.)

I thought that only happened once a black hole had nothing more within range to feed it, and then they fall silent?

Nope. All matter acts normally around black holes until it reaches the event horizon. And then it's screwed forever. That's why black holes have accretion disks. I've never heard of black holes "falling silent"; as far as I know, the event horizon never stops being... itself. It'll always be the point of being screwed and it never disappears.

[AkiKishi]

Siddan wrote...

Baka-no-Neko wrote...

If they are machines then who built them? Are they serving a higher being? Or are they, as someone said, trying to merely survive through what Rrezz said. It makes ME3 all the more exciting, I hope the reasoning Bioware gives is good.

Why would they need to destroy all the civilizations in order to survive? I think the word Salvation is the key here, but the word is, I guess, relative to their cause. Their salvation might lie in reproducing. And I too hope that Bioware will give us a satisfactory answer to all these questions, but I fear they might have created something to ambitious to explain fully. Perhaps we would be better off not knowing and forming our own conclusions. I've heard from a few that have read the script that their reason isn't very logical at all. I hope that's not the case But I guess it's impossible to please everyone.

Did you ever play Final Fantasy X ? 

A Reaper could be just like Sin. Inside this huge creature called Sin a civilisation from a 1000 years before exists in the dream of the high summoner. There is a Reaper for every civilisation ever Reaped so by killing a Reaper you are commiting genocide.

For all we know the organic goo could be doing the same thing and not even be aware that they are dead.

Because Sin retains part of his original self he does "odd" things, just like the Reapers.