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[TheChemicals]

Rating an rpg or an mmo is useless. Some game reviewers have added follow-ups to ratings which gives a more clear result as to the games worth overall, after 50+ hours and/or patching. Dragon age recieved an early rating before anyone could get a real idea as to what it really is. You accepted an early rating as easy as you accept and defend the price cost of future downloadable content. The commercials for Dragon age are very convincing that it is something beyond a wall of text dialogue, and the marketing requires that it fool as many potential buyers as possible. This is why complaints arise after the game is released(no small number), players are realizing they bought something that they did not fully understand. I knew this was an rpg and so did many other players but i must admit that the advertising and gameplay videos on youtube really gave you a sense of action and adventure that would keep you on your toes. Most of all, like most lies, Dragon age seemed complete and perfect mechanically: a feat no developer seems to create correct the first time, or even 3/4 complete today.

Dragon age is an old 3d engine world with the old dialogue system used in countless similar games and all the flaws and mistakes from those games are apparent in this one. The choices you make in almost all dialogue windows recieve the same answers most times unless you do something extreme like choose a ridiculous answer where youll recieve a comment that is unique but still leads to the same words an npc would have said regardless. The point is that you are using a decade old dialogue system and it is not based on any real game changing experience though you can be fooled into believeing this when something happens like say...Morrigan approves or your journal says you killed the Grand Oak tree. Of course certain things in the dialogue can be so extreme that it will follow you later but this is probably about 10% of the game, the 10% of content that hasnt been diluted into a wall of text. A wall that leads to the same place.

Mechanics and gliches of the game are baffling and overlooked by players who love the game, like myself. Eventually you get a sense of imbalance and start to find yourself frustrated about poorly working abilities and weapon speeds. More after, you realize other little things and soon, every couple hours you find more gliches and more mistakes. The worst of all are the abilities not working properly or the more evil trickery of- appearing to work properly, followed by the most vile of all- wokring as intended but just poorly designed/functioning. Dragon age is filled with these from tiny things like dialogue saving at the camps when speaking to your party to the larger problems like sustained abilities being broken or just work like junk. Strange for a game indesign for years and by Bioware, a great company.

Who needs a story when you have characters, Dragon age gives you characters with substance to mask a poor storyline. The draw in replay and funfactor for Dragon age...and this is truth for those of the grain, is in its characters. You want to interact with them and manipulate possiblities with them. you want to romance them and hate them and see how they react to many different facets of behaviors and choices you make. All the while, flying through a story so unoriginal and regurgitated that it makes super mario games look innovative and breakthru. Dragon ages amazing characters coupled with the promise of continuation via dowloadable content make this a comfy nesting place for the hardcore rpger and a lockdown for the casual player.

A roleplaying game is a story and characters. That is the heart, the meat n potatoes. Dragon age gave you characters+length. The length is filled with well thought out dialogue and obstacles, well thought out as in, made you think you were choosing your own course and making your own choices. Your not. Instances are blocked or cut off and/or make you move in a forced/restrained/limited manner almost always and the dialogues limitations have already been mentioned above. Length is also money as you will be locked into paying possibly hundreds of dollars after totalling future content downloads. You basically bought a pay-to-play game without the online suscription but with the credit card information and without the online capabilties. Sure, you dont have to pay, as the common sense players of these forums mention so indisciminantly but you do have to pay. If you like a game and see an entire list of adventures that you havent bought, things get curious and who wants to be left out of the next best quest?  Its as if to say you dont have to buy an expansion or a book based on the game you love to play, but you will because you enjoy it. However, games are made every month for free on yahoo games with the same specs as these quests that you are charged for. Games are played everyday and updated frequently with new content for free. DLC became a price tag when players started to defend it.

RPG players like myself enjoy most rpg's, even the bad ones. If an rpg game shows qualities of a good story or characters i can relate to then i become immersed in them. What can i say im easy like that. Dragon age grabbed me with its characters and its sensible rpg mechanics. The story didnt grab me the same way and i hardly read my journal codex(though i find the tranquil to be interesting and read all i can about them):the story and the world just didnt attract me enough to care about it. The characters do and so Dragon age is a winner on that main quality. I will play the game until i am convinced its replay value is gone and unfortunatly, 3/4 of the game finished and i can already feel a sense of nostalgia for it and picture the red dragon's image fading off in my rear view mirror as i drive off in search of something better. Thx for reading.

[Ickabod27]

I disagree with about 90% of that.

[Unbroken Lineage]

Let us know when you find the "something better."

[Chromie]

So...where is this wizard?

[SheffSteel]

I got your RPG wizard right here.

 Enchantment!

Modifié par SheffSteel, 24 novembre 2009 - 08:11 .

[back pain]

so If people read (or watched) a review of a game and the review did not tell them what they were getting into then its the developers fault?

[Ghandorian]

Old 3d engine? are there new 4d ones I don't know about?
Not enough action? I have never had so many critters running at me wave after wave. As a matter of fact a lot of people complain that the battles are too long and hard.
Saying the game is a wall of text and dialog that marketing hides the real truth? this guy doesn't know a rpg from his left shoe.

I quit after the first paragraph as it is obviously aimed at anti-rp people and just written for it shock value. I have encountered the Anti-RP movement in mmos and it is a pretty wretched, sick bunch or people who purposefully harass and bully RPr's in online games. This article just seems to be food for them to keep them away from real rpg's.

Modifié par Ghandorian, 24 novembre 2009 - 08:25 .

[kansadoom]

ok please when you find something better drive back and tell us what it is

[NErWOnek]

fetch us a "better" game then lolz... DAO is awesome, funny, and looks quite wonderfull on max detail and full hd...

[marshalleck]

I was promised a wizard. There is no wizard. The wizard is a lie.

Modifié par marshalleck, 24 novembre 2009 - 08:26 .

[Sloth Of Doom]

I disagree with almost everything said by the OP, including the fact that he is an RPG 'Wizard'



This may be a long post but a lot of it seems to contradict itself and instead of being well thought out sounds more like a teenager angrily slapping up a facebook note about how mean his parents are.



..and seriously? RPG Wizard?

[T0rin3]

TheChemicals wrote...

Blahblahblahblahblahblahblah...

Enchantment?

[AkilaSye]

I blame action rpg's for this, they forget the role play part.

[InsanityVoid]

I'm not sure if there's any point in debating this.
All it boils down to is whether or not you enjoy the game, despite its perceived weaknesses.
You obviously didn't.

I would like to know what you hope to accomplish by ranting on this forum. You aren't going to get your money back, no one is going to change the game so that it suits you perfectly.. what is your agenda?

[Bibdy]

You would have put your point across a lot faster by posting a picture of a crying baby.

[Denlath Vestor]

The thing is about the OP's post is

• he gives no specific examples to back up his claims
• some of his points are just flat-out false: "You basically bought a pay-to-play game without the online suscription but with the credit card information and without the online capabilties." This has been beaten and debated to death. YOU BOUGHT A COMPLETE GAME AND NO ONE IS FORCING ANYONE TO BUY DLC.
• most of his points are plain opinion, which, by definition, do not prove someone wrong or right

And who the h*** died and made him "RPG Wizard"? What makes him so special? What is an "RPG Wizard" anyway?

God, I can't wait until all of these high and mighty winers are gone from these forums and all that's left is those of us who see the game for what it is and are here to enjoy it and share about it.

[The Naturo]

I think FPS games have to much running around shooting people in them, and not enough talking. plzz fix?



troll sucessfull?

[TheChemicals]

InsanityVoid wrote...

I would like to know what you hope to accomplish by ranting on this forum. You aren't going to get your money back, no one is going to change the game so that it suits you perfectly.. what is your agenda?

Same thing you hope to accomplish in playing a video game, responding to my thread, asking me a question, getting out of bed in the morning.

I wrote what i thought and did so by looking at the games obvious flaws and waited for feedback. The feedback is mostly upset and angry and annoyed with little to no substance or defense.

As far as something better, i havent found anything yet but ill drop this game as soon as i do and not look back. Its a good game but it isnt great or even classic.

[addiction21]

T0rin3 wrote...

TheChemicals wrote...

Blahblahblahblahblahblahblah...

Enchantment?

ENCHANTMENT!!

[dragero]

The Naturo wrote...

I think FPS games have to much running around shooting people in them, and not enough talking. plzz fix?

troll sucessfull?

Inorite?! When I'm playing MW2 online, I'm just not feeling the character I'm playing. Pls fix IW.

[chiliztri]

TL;DR

Enchantment?

[Beerfish]

So he extent of RPG wizard is some person who calls him/herself and then writes an opinion piece? Nothing wrong with that. The one thing that does beat down the article is hefty criticism in some regards but with just generalize statements with no specific examples to back up the argument.

[Drake Sigar]

This RPG Wizard's arguments are vague and contradictory, often repeating his personal beef with the dialogue system/illusion of choice. Just when you think he's gotten it out of the way, he swings right back to it.

[TheChemicals]

Denlath Vestor wrote...


The thing is about the OP's post is

• he gives no specific examples to back up his claims
• some of his points are just flat-out false: "You basically bought a pay-to-play game without the online suscription but with the credit card information and without the online capabilties." This has been beaten and debated to death. YOU BOUGHT A COMPLETE GAME AND NO ONE IS FORCING ANYONE TO BUY DLC.
  
• most of his points are plain opinion, which, by definition, do not prove someone wrong or right

And who the h*** died and made him "RPG Wizard"? What makes him so special? What is an "RPG Wizard" anyway?

God, I can't wait until all of these high and mighty winers are gone from these forums and all that's left is those of us who see the game for what it is and are here to enjoy it and share about it.

 
[*]I did give specific examples to every claim and those same issues are addressed in the tech support section. Use the search engine and youll see.
[*]False? You will be paying regularly for content- i related to to paytopplay- arent you paying a price to pay new content that isnt an expansion? And i already addressed the genius phrase of "you dont have to pay" line on the thread but you dont read so i cant force logic on you.
[*]What is opinion? Speaking of specifics, you arent very detailed in your angry post.

[0mar]

He has some good points.



Dragon Age's storyline is cookie cutter original. Elves live in forests, dwarves live underground, etc etc. The main human villain is a completely unsympathetic character, willing to go to indefensible extremes. The overarching villain is completely devoid of character, basically it's another monster to add to your mantle. There are really no major plot twists that weren't foreseeable. Other than the Fade mythos, there's nothing really original about Dragon Age's setting. It's generic fantasy and I suppose that works for most people. I really was expected something a lot more indepth and thought-provoking, especially considering this game took nearly a decade to develop. In the end, the world was nothing we haven't all seen in a dozen different fantasy games.