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[VanDraegon]

RPG Wizard? Never heard of em. A poor review none the less.

[immortallogic]

I've played my fair share of rpgs from lufia - ffXI and to be honest there isnt much difference in any of them..stories are generally told the same protaganist antaganist obstacle A, B, c ect. and I've loved all of them, It doesnt take a genuis to see that they are setting up another 3 game franchise, a la mass effect.

I see antiva, orlais, wessasomthing fotress in the future..probably taking on a rampage of 3 high dragons at once, did anyone else notice when picking ujp specializations they hinted that those were just the basic skills? dont you think they will be fleshed out in futher add ons?

anyways back to the point, I'm in sales and we have a pretty basic saying: dont try to reinvent the wheel and this is a testament to DAO I mean you can make the wheel prettier with spining rims, or make it rotate even faster, but its still a wheel

"oh this is so typical a boss at the end" well what did you expect?..I have a feeling that this game is just a tip of the iceberg, they werent developing just this game for the last 8 years but the franchise...I like where this is going and you should to...if not pick a different game. you said one thing, op, that struck out to me, that this game offered enjoyment. well that is what it set out to do...no one truly wants to play a completely free range game..the more free range it is the less contrisive the story is think of an exponetial chart. so the "illusion of choice" argument is moot I honestly feel like you are free to have your own opinion about the game but spare us from the Q_Q

[Appolo90]

OP has a well-constructed and interesting read. I smell fanboyism from the flamers in this thread a mile away. However.. I really don't have the energy to give my full length feedback so maybe bullet points will do.

• Unlike most here, I agree about the story being unoriginal, and the characters being the meat of the game. However, unoriginal isn't necessarily a bad thing. I think of 'the hero's story' as more of a fundamental foundation to an adventure story. This is the cliche you start with... now make it awesome. Dragon Age did that through their characters, like you said. I'm curious to hear your examples of an original hero's story because the only one I can think of is the Epic of Gilgamesh, the first on record. Hero stories created afterwards are simply embellishments, some better than other due to their characters, setting, and complexity.
• You guys realize that OP liked the game right? It's a very light rant. If Coke was a full rant, he just gave us a Diet Coke. Before you attack him (perhaps triggered by his lack of modesty), you should try to understand where he's coming from first.
• I agree that the game is more linear than it wants you to think with all the dialogue choices too. However, I can sympathize with the ridiculous amount of work it would take to break all linearity and maintain BioWare standards. I mean, Oblivion sacrificed gameplay quality for non-linearity and look what happened. Yuck. However.. I can see the plethora of dialogue choices in a different light too. I think it helps the player with their perception of their character. Having that many choices aids immersion by allowing my elf to choose what line matches my perceptions of his personality best. Choosing between "That's a great idea" and "**** off" doesn't really do much for me in the way of taking on my character as a clone of my Ferelden alter-ego.
• I can't remember any more of your points so I'm done here. I enjoyed your post and agreed with most of it. Thanks for posting something especially... fruitful for these forums.

Modifié par Appolo90, 25 novembre 2009 - 03:12 .

[Alim Farrell]

I think the OP is 90% right on this one.



Whats getting me is that you can get 90% of the great gear before half of the game is finished and its a little boring going through the dungeons for another set of useless medium scale armor and half a dozen salves.

[thisisme8]

I totally thought this was going to be about a magazine article or something.

[B33ker]

TheChemicals wrote...

http://www.escapistm...gon-Age-Origins

this is funny

His comment at 4:05 is most telling though.....

"The fact that I can play it for 25 hours and still want to know what happens next means that I shouldn't complain"

That coming from the guy who pretty much hates every game he plays. 


As for your comment...

TheChemicals wrote...

False? You will be paying regularly for content- i related to to paytopplay- arent you paying a price to pay new content that isnt an expansion? And i already addressed the genius phrase of "you dont have to pay" line on the thread but you dont read so i cant force logic on you.

The logic is that the DLC model works well for companies, just ask Microsoft how much they've made off of purchased "add-ons" to games that were sold.  It also gives a company good feedback as to how well the consumer base wants more of the same type of item, so they can allocate the budget needed to create another profitable item, whether that be more DLC or an entirely new game.

DA:O isn't perfect, but nothing ever is, so I'm happy to take the good parts, enjoy it for what it is, and not whine because it didn't meet 100% of my own personal criteria of what makes a good game.

[Terwox_]

In the OP's (and those who agree with him) defense: Its his (their) opinion. And he's perfectly entitled to it.



In the defense off everyone else: So are they.



And more if you regard your opinion high enough to post it for everyone to see, be prepared to be disagreed with. If you can't handle being disagreed with, don't post your opinion and save yourself and everyone who would otherwise read it a lot off headaches.



PS: This post isn't aimed at anyone in particular, if you do feel like its aimed specifically at you, you're giving yourself far to much credit.

[Alim Farrell]

 

Didn't like the story? This is where I question if he's playing the same game I am. It was a great story. The whole Grey Warden thing is incredibly interesting. I also find the magic lore interesting. And the Fade. Who doesn't think a thing like the black city isn't cool? My only minor complaint is you only save Fereldan and not the entire world. Considering they built the lore from scratch (and in only a couple years unlike things like Warcraft which has over a decade to build up their lore), I think they did a fantastic job with story and lore. 

Your kidding right?  Its generic RPG elements with a objectivist warrior race thrown in in a setting the size of Deleware.  Heck, there is even a cliched "French" viceful Antivan culture, "How you say?" lines?  Nobody actually says that...

 If you were surprised by any of the "twists" that were foreshadowed with the subtlety of extinction level meteor impacts this must be the first time you've playing a rpg game.

Grey Warden?  Like the Rangers of the North, Jedi Order, Witchers?
The Black City?  You mean like Mordor, Shadar Logoth, Death Star, Twisting Nether?

[immortallogic]

Alim Farrell wrote...

 

Didn't like the story? This is where I question if he's playing the same game I am. It was a great story. The whole Grey Warden thing is incredibly interesting. I also find the magic lore interesting. And the Fade. Who doesn't think a thing like the black city isn't cool? My only minor complaint is you only save Fereldan and not the entire world. Considering they built the lore from scratch (and in only a couple years unlike things like Warcraft which has over a decade to build up their lore), I think they did a fantastic job with story and lore. 

Your kidding right?  Its generic RPG elements with a objectivist warrior race thrown in in a setting the size of Deleware.  Heck, there is even a cliched "French" viceful Antivan culture, "How you say?" lines?  Nobody actually says that...

 If you were surprised by any of the "twists" that were foreshadowed with the subtlety of extinction level meteor impacts this must be the first time you've playing a rpg game.

Grey Warden?  Like the Rangers of the North, Jedi Order, Witchers?
The Black City?  You mean like Mordor, Shadar Logoth, Death Star, Twisting Nether?

once again I say you cant reinvent the wheel seriously what are you expecting..thats like asking to invent a new color or number

[TheChemicals]

I enjoy this game. I am just not defending its weak points just because it is a good game.

When i think of a good story i think of old fallout games and simons quest- castlevania 2. Baldurs gate was impressive also. "out of this world" also had a good story. The "alice" storyline was also good- this is a little known game though that used the nine inch nails -trent reznor, to cover the music.
I perfectly understand core rpg though this game acts like it is so much more. Even the introduction to dragon age, where it tells the story, display it n a way where you wished the story were truly something special. Dragon age could have been great and epic. It is definatly an 8 of 10 but i think to be a 9 you have to show something especially different and a core rpg doesnt do that. Dragon age doesnt do that. This game is bioware bread n butter, nothing new or innovative and most of the past issues and problems that rpger's want changed are still apparent.

Modifié par TheChemicals, 25 novembre 2009 - 04:19 .

[boba1974]

Alim Farrell wrote...

 

Didn't like the story? This is where I question if he's playing the same game I am. It was a great story. The whole Grey Warden thing is incredibly interesting. I also find the magic lore interesting. And the Fade. Who doesn't think a thing like the black city isn't cool? My only minor complaint is you only save Fereldan and not the entire world. Considering they built the lore from scratch (and in only a couple years unlike things like Warcraft which has over a decade to build up their lore), I think they did a fantastic job with story and lore. 

Your kidding right?  Its generic RPG elements with a objectivist warrior race thrown in in a setting the size of Deleware.  Heck, there is even a cliched "French" viceful Antivan culture, "How you say?" lines?  Nobody actually says that...

 If you were surprised by any of the "twists" that were foreshadowed with the subtlety of extinction level meteor impacts this must be the first time you've playing a rpg game.

Grey Warden?  Like the Rangers of the North, Jedi Order, Witchers?
The Black City?  You mean like Mordor, Shadar Logoth, Death Star, Twisting Nether?

More like are you kidding?

You didn't like Star Wars because you read Lord of the Rings first? That's basically your argument. Those came first, so obviously it's impossible to like this games story, right?

Believe it or not it's completely possible to like and be engaged by all of those examples you mentioned, so why does that suddenly stop with Dragon Age? On top of that just about all of your examples borrowed the ideas from elsewhere, it's not like they are completely original or anything.

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[boba1974]

Stupid forums.

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Modifié par boba1974, 25 novembre 2009 - 04:21 .

[Sloth Of Doom]

eisberg77 wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

I totally thought this was going to be about a magazine article or something.

Nope, just some random guy giving himself a title to make it look like he is somekind of official authority on RPGs and giving his opinions.  But yeah, I thought the same thing.  I was going to ask for the link where he got the article from, till I realized it was the OP opinion piece.

I, the Supreme High RPG Enchanter , also thought it might be something real.

[Appolo90]

This guy does have an air of arrogance but seriously... his points are solid. I almost completely agree with him. I want to know if you guys write this guy off because of his attitude or because of his attitude AND his points.



And if you're not going to write a thorough rebuttal to his thorough arguments, why bother? A disagreement without a justification is as good as no reply at all.

[Elanareon]

But there is already one and the OP even saluted the guy! You must read that one!

[PhantoMSouljaX]

Appolo90 wrote...

This guy does have an air of arrogance but seriously... his points are solid. I almost completely agree with him. I want to know if you guys write this guy off because of his attitude or because of his attitude AND his points.

And if you're not going to write a thorough rebuttal to his thorough arguments, why bother? A disagreement without a justification is as good as no reply at all.

Enchantment?

[Wolfva2]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

I disagree with almost everything said by the OP, including the fact that he is an RPG 'Wizard'

This may be a long post but a lot of it seems to contradict itself and instead of being well thought out sounds more like a teenager angrily slapping up a facebook note about how mean his parents are.

..and seriously? RPG Wizard?

Why do I have the feeling he's the guy in the LARP youtube video running around screaming, "LIGHTNING BOLT LIGHTNING BOLT LIGHTNING BOLT!"?

Bottom line, everything he said is just opinion.  He is welcome to his opinion.  And I'd even fight for his right to state his opinion.  But he has to remember that his opinion is just that...HIS OPINION.  It is NOT fact.  At least, not fact for anyone other then himself and those who agree with him.  So, don't flame him for having an opinion.  Flame him for being an arrogaunt git who thinks his opinion matters <ROTFLOL>.

[xourico]

he is right about must of the stuff to be honest...

the huge game breaking combat mechanics and abilities bugs ****** me off... the only reason I play and re-play is because of all non-combat related stuff...

about the DLC stuff... I agree 100%... its pathetic how can players agree and go for DLC's... thats just stupid, people giving free money to gaming companies just like that...

well... at least if bioware expects ppl to buy their games and support their DLC's... at least... provide patchs often that fix the immense ocean of bugs... mainly the combat related ones...

Modifié par xourico, 25 novembre 2009 - 06:21 .

[Wolfva2]

After further reading, I think I'm going to create an all new, completely unique RPG with a story line unlike any other. You play a young person born into a farming family in a medieval world. You get up every morning, and do your chores. There is no evil lord attempting to take over the world. No ancient evil that overshadows all. Just people going about thier business. The goal of the game will be to grow up, get married, start a family, and basically live as long as you can. Say, to 30 years of age before the plague gets you. Surely I shall make BILLIONS off this game because it'll be so new! So unique! So fresh, borrowing nothing from earlier games! SO EFFING BORING that no one, including me, would even buy it. Heck, I'll put the game on the market, then spend my time playing DA:O or whichever new hack and slash "Defeat the evil overlord/ancient evil/awoken elder god" game that's out there.



There is a REASON these games become, shall we say, cliche. It's because the story line resonates with us on a visceral level. It's why we can watch LOTR, Starwars, Gladiator, Last of the Mohicans, Debbie does Dallas, etc. over and over again. They all have the same underlying story, after all. (Yes, that goes for the last example as well...one person 'doing battle' against innumerable hordes of enemy combatants wielding swords) The story arc of the good few versus the evil many for the safety of the world is an old one. And it shall continue to be retold as long as humans tell stories, be they in print, on celluloid, digitalized, or verbalized over a fire.

[Appolo90]

PhantoMSouljaX wrote...

Appolo90 wrote...

This guy does have an air of arrogance but seriously... his points are solid. I almost completely agree with him. I want to know if you guys write this guy off because of his attitude or because of his attitude AND his points.

And if you're not going to write a thorough rebuttal to his thorough arguments, why bother? A disagreement without a justification is as good as no reply at all.

Enchantment?

Sure, why not.

[ozzfrk]

all games have flaws, some worse than others but when devs try to reinvent the wheel they usually muck it up...so i don't mind if the engine is dated and not as goodlooking.the gameplay thats what makes or breaks it for me. after i got my party right and some decent skills i fell into a groove and i luv it. but i see the flaws too but overall u gotta luv this game

[Mordaedil]

Guys. Dwarves in forests are called gnomes and elves underground are called drow.



Do you want a fantasy setting where there's only halflings, gnomes and drow?

[robotnist]

so are you claiming a bait and switch?



yeah i know, bioware really tried to trick people by stating in EVERY GOD DAMNED INTERVIEW THAT DA:O IS THE SPIRITUAL SUCCESSOR TO BALDUR'S GATE!!!



i dont know, if i was going on pretty pictures alone i would at least look into what this "baldur's gate" was to see if its something i may like...

[Zealuu]

Are there RPG Warriors and RPG Bards too?