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[Aramina]

Sora Kitano wrote...

If you see armor, that is what Warp bombs are for. Just speaking from Bronze and Silver, but a bomb makes defenses vanish and anything surviving still has to deal with Warp leeching them after the fact since the field can last for a while. Long enough to possibly double bomb them if you go to max out duration.

Don't get me wrong, I do agree that the Asari Adept is too versatile as things stand now (I've said as much in the feedback topic). However, they make up for it by being very frail, thus you need teamwork to be effective. I can go rambo on enemies with my Quarian Engi for crying out loud, something I would never dream of doing with my Asari - she'd be dead in no time at all.

[Aramina]

McAllyster wrote...

Asari adept seems overpowered in bronze; however in Silver or Gold is "just" fun. Yes, she can disable enemies for a few moments but she needed well equipped squadmates to actually kill the stunned mobs. Her stasis spamming ability is heavily dependent from guns: she can spam stasis if she eqipped with a pistol - but on higher difficulties pistol will not be enough.

Personally I find sniper rifles to be very effective. Stasis + headshot can take out a Phantom in 2 shots, and I'm not even using the Widow.

[Drakolyik]

McAllyster wrote...

Asari adept seems overpowered in bronze; however in Silver or Gold is "just" fun. Yes, she can disable enemies for a few moments but she needed well equipped squadmates to actually kill the stunned mobs. Her stasis spamming ability is heavily dependent from guns: she can spam stasis if she eqipped with a pistol - but on higher difficulties pistol will not be enough.

I've completed silver 5 times today on my Asari Adept, and a lot of that was me bubbling and then bringing them down myself either with Carnifex or Biotic Explosions.  I also just did Gold to Wave 9 (first time even trying Gold), without vent/communication.  We lost mostly because of a few instances of rambo'ing and getting out of position (and also because that wave spawned like 10 phantoms, was also the one where you go around disarming objectives, which sucks at that point in the game).  I use Carnifex + SMG (can't even remember which it is, I barely use it).  As long as you're near an ammo box, Carnifex is a beast and generally enough to take down targets in a few headshots on Gold.

Modifié par Drakolyik, 20 février 2012 - 01:14 .

[bennyjammin79]

I disagree with the OP.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

McAllyster wrote...

Asari adept seems overpowered in bronze; however in Silver or Gold is "just" fun. Yes, she can disable enemies for a few moments but she needed well equipped squadmates to actually kill the stunned mobs. Her stasis spamming ability is heavily dependent from guns: she can spam stasis if she eqipped with a pistol - but on higher difficulties pistol will not be enough.

I know when I have my Asari, I'm the one being told to kill a Phantom because I can bomb the hell out of them with Stasis + Throw while dishing out free headshots.

The ability is ridic, but considering its on an unlock class and not a default is all the balancing point you need for it.

Aramina wrote...

Don't get me wrong, I do agree that the Asari Adept is too versatile as things stand now (I've said as much in the feedback topic). However, they make up for it by being very frail, thus you need teamwork to be effective. I can go rambo on enemies with my Quarian Engi for crying out loud, something I would never dream of doing with my Asari - she'd be dead in no time at all.

 

I sorta have to agree. If I am in Bronze, I can rambo away because I can either stun or knock down just about everything shooting at me at will. Forget about what happens if I decide to single out a poor soul with shields and turn them into a bomb to kill them and all their mates.

Modifié par Sora Kitano, 20 février 2012 - 01:28 .

[ty5731]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Op this is a co op mode its not pvp so no its not OP at all

Challenge is still welcome. Not that I'm saying nerf Stasis Bubble, but yeah.

[azza847]

She is extremely fragile. You need to be a good player and have a good team to keep her alive so she can keep spamming stasis. No teamwork = a dead Asari.

[azza847]

Oh I might add, sentry turrets are an Asari's worst nightmare..........mine too.

[CerberusSoldier]

ty5731 wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Op this is a co op mode its not pvp so no its not OP at all

Challenge is still welcome. Not that I'm saying nerf Stasis Bubble, but yeah.

 


its good but nerfing the classes make the co op pointless

[atheelogos]

Mike Aus wrote...

It's not over powered as the character is quite weak otherwise - so it becomes more of a support class.

The whole idea behind Gold is that it requires a real team effort. This also means that you need to build a team of different people with different powers to counteract all types of enemies.

Given that the character itself is rather weak, I don't think it's OP at all. But they sure make a great addition to any team.

everything you just said.

[Legendaryred]

Silver is a challenge for my Asari adept, only beated it once with 2 other low level players. It's not OP as warp is pretty weak against higher difficulty when maxed.

[tomcruisejr]

Maxed stasis + maxed throw = solo silver 10x easier than any other class.

[azza847]

tomcruisejr wrote...

Maxed stasis + maxed throw = solo silver 10x easier than any other class.

I would like to see a vid of that........

[Thoragoros]

Hawkules wrote...

Drakolyik wrote...

Just because this is Co-Op, doesn't make something not overpowered. That's the worst argument I've ever heard.

This.

I think the main point here is that taking a class with Stasis is preferable in higher difficulty levels than most others. My Asari Adept destroys everything, easily the highest contribution by about double the second highest in most games.

Wait...I thought you guys thought the Vanguard was way overpowered? 

So...anything that's useful is overpowered?

[corporal doody]

MY question regarding the stasis bubble is:


HOW WILL IT EFFECT SYNTHETICS?!! so far we have seen what it can do against ORGANICS... will act different against HUSKS or GETH?

back to TC's question...
No I do not think it is OP. If you could get stasis BUBBLE at the very start...i might say yes. BUT YOU HAVE TO WORK AT IT TO GET IT!

[Drakolyik]

I suggested that other class/race combos get a signature ability buffed to be comparable to Stasis Bubble. I don't like nerfing any more than anyone else, but I do like the game to be balanced, and not full of "cheese" mechanics that net people easy wins when they exploit or abuse abilities that are far beyond the norm. Gold should be a challenge, and if that means a gentle nerf to Bubble (perhaps the duration of the bubble could be reduced to 2 seconds, rather than the 5+? it lasts now) and a buff to other signature abilities, that's how I think things need to turn out right now.

For one, I think the Grenades that some classes/races get need to be on a timer, rather than having a strict supply. A key ability shouldn't have limited uses, especially when that ability is rather difficult to use. Imagine if Stasis Bubble could only be used 2-3 times before you had to truck back to an ammo box. That's absurd, right? So why are grenades that way?

[Drakolyik]

corporal doody wrote...
No I do not think it is OP. If you could get stasis BUBBLE at the very start...i might say yes. BUT YOU HAVE TO WORK AT IT TO GET IT!

Really?  It takes less than a few hours to get stasis bubble from a level 1 Asari Adept.  You call that work?  It's like 5 Bronze Wins.  That's nothing.

[tomcruisejr]

Thoragoros wrote...

Hawkules wrote...

Drakolyik wrote...

Just because this is Co-Op, doesn't make something not overpowered. That's the worst argument I've ever heard.

This.

I think the main point here is that taking a class with Stasis is preferable in higher difficulty levels than most others. My Asari Adept destroys everything, easily the highest contribution by about double the second highest in most games.

Wait...I thought you guys thought the Vanguard was way overpowered? 

So...anything that's useful is overpowered?

There is a huge line in "Useful" and "prays an asari adept joins my party"

[corporal doody]

Drakolyik wrote...

corporal doody wrote...
No I do not think it is OP. If you could get stasis BUBBLE at the very start...i might say yes. BUT YOU HAVE TO WORK AT IT TO GET IT!

Really?  It takes less than a few hours to get stasis bubble from a level 1 Asari Adept.  You call that work?  It's like 5 Bronze Wins.  That's nothing.

well well...i bow down in the face of superiority.

you are the winner

Modifié par corporal doody, 20 février 2012 - 03:19 .

[squidney2k1]

McAllyster wrote...

Asari adept seems overpowered in bronze; however in Silver or Gold is "just" fun. Yes, she can disable enemies for a few moments but she needed well equipped squadmates to actually kill the stunned mobs. Her stasis spamming ability is heavily dependent from guns: she can spam stasis if she eqipped with a pistol - but on higher difficulties pistol will not be enough.

This^

Just like the Human Vanguard, the Asari Adept wrecks everything on Bronze & to some extent on Silver. However on Silver/Gold, you really need a good team support. Too many defenses that an Asari Adept cannot deal with alone. You need others to combo off of the bubble for Biotic explosions, plus someone with Overload (or anything else to effectively deal with shields).

[tomcruisejr]

squidney2k1 wrote...

McAllyster wrote...

Asari adept seems overpowered in bronze; however in Silver or Gold is "just" fun. Yes, she can disable enemies for a few moments but she needed well equipped squadmates to actually kill the stunned mobs. Her stasis spamming ability is heavily dependent from guns: she can spam stasis if she eqipped with a pistol - but on higher difficulties pistol will not be enough.

This^

Just like the Human Vanguard, the Asari Adept wrecks everything on Bronze & to some extent on Silver. However on Silver/Gold, you really need a good team support. Too many defenses that an Asari Adept cannot deal with alone. You need others to combo off of the bubble for Biotic explosions, plus someone with Overload (or anything else to effectively deal with shields).

You two do know what happens when an Asari spams the 1.3 second cooldown Throw into stasis...right?

lol guns

Modifié par tomcruisejr, 20 février 2012 - 03:35 .

[nicethugbert]

It's so OP that I do better with a vanguard.

[tomcruisejr]

nicethugbert wrote...

It's so OP that I do better with a vanguard.

how is your asari adept speced? u doing something wrong.

[Eludajae]

I fail so see why people care. This isn't pvp its solely a PvE and if you ever try Gold level you will not be carrying on about how overpowered Asari are you will be celebrating their arrival in your team. Trust me. Some people just complain for complaining sake.

[S.ilver]

tomcruisejr wrote...

squidney2k1 wrote...

McAllyster wrote...

Asari adept seems overpowered in bronze; however in Silver or Gold is "just" fun. Yes, she can disable enemies for a few moments but she needed well equipped squadmates to actually kill the stunned mobs. Her stasis spamming ability is heavily dependent from guns: she can spam stasis if she eqipped with a pistol - but on higher difficulties pistol will not be enough.

This^

Just like the Human Vanguard, the Asari Adept wrecks everything on Bronze & to some extent on Silver. However on Silver/Gold, you really need a good team support. Too many defenses that an Asari Adept cannot deal with alone. You need others to combo off of the bubble for Biotic explosions, plus someone with Overload (or anything else to effectively deal with shields).

You two do know what happens when an Asari spams the 1.3 second cooldown Throw into stasis...right?

lol guns

That's great when it works, but the AI in this game is nowhere stupid enough to all clump in one big group. You will catch some, but not all of the hordes on Gold that way. The enemies also all engage you at various distances with various styles. I might freeze all the assault troopers or Phantoms, but the Nemesis will still be behind far cover sniping, the engineers will still set up their turrets, and the Guardians will still be advancing slowly. Not to mention flankers. If you want to win, it's about your team.