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[copernicus__]

Hello,
could the DVD check for registered copies be removed please? What is its purpose other than creating troubles to honest users?

I had to dismount a DVD ROM from my second computer because the one I have wasn't reading the DVD at all due to protection/firware issues (just like NWN2).
Also the DVD ROM keep reading and reading and reading the DVD endlessly even if it has no reason to do that since the game is all run on the local hard drive.
I have to start the game with the DVD in the drive that I then remove (since it makes a lot of noise) and at the first crash is all over again.

Could you also explain what is the game disc 2 purpose on the collectors editions?
It isn't needed to install and play and the disc 3 is the one with the bonus contents.
Thank you in advance.

Modifié par copernicus__, 24 novembre 2009 - 08:14 .

[aries1001]

You can download the game digitally (free!) at the EA store, I think? or at EA's site, if you jhave a legal bought retail copy of the, the manual and the game's cdkey, I think... Disc 2 is simply any other languages than English. If you feel a sudden urge to play DA: Origins in Italian, you may use Disc 2 to install the files necessaru to do so.

[Excirial]

"Could you also explain what is the game disc 2 purpose on the collectors editions?"



If you simply browsed the disk it should be pretty obvious; it contains the sound files for languages other then english. In other words its needless unless you want to have spoken dialog in some foreign language.

[copernicus__]

Oh! Never knew that, I am indeed italian btw and I browsed the disc and got out nothing but more questions (what can I say...I'm slow?)
But I wouldn't replace the original voices for anything in the world, they are just awesome and where it gets complicated I have subtitles, thank you.

Regarding aries1001 suggestion I don't see why I would have to download the game when I have it already on my nice box.
The DVD check for registered copies have really no purpose, CD project didn't even put it there from the start for The Witcher and registered users.
Bioware removed it for NWN2 some time ago, too. Please do it for Dragon Age too!

Modifié par copernicus__, 24 novembre 2009 - 08:37 .

[majae]

Yes, the DVD check is annoying. I realize they are trying to stop hacked copies, but that **** never works anyway. Isn't it obvious that someone has a full, purchased and registered version through the registration process?

[Excirial]

"Yes, the DVD check is annoying. I realize they are trying to stop hacked copies, but that **** never works anyway. Isn't it obvious that someone has a full, purchased and registered version through the registration process? "

Indeed, i don't understand why that is still required as you can simply take out the disk while your playing. Before buying the game i downloaded a pirated copy to see if the game worked on my PC, and if it was worth buying. Frankly, the disk check protection failed to do its job for years; it only annoys legit buyers. But o well, what can you do against it?

[Kepha]

EA wasn't going to let the game ship without some DRM mechanism. After all the pushback they got on Mass Effect and Spore I'm glad they went back to a simple disk check. Its preferable to SecurRom and only being able to activate it on 3 computers.

[stardazzled]

I really don't understand you. Either download an additional digital copy for free and be angry about not having a hard box, get angry over protection software that allows you to play without DVD - as happened for Anno 1404/Dawn of Discovery in Germany - or get angry for using a DVD.

(two disc drives could help. prevent too much changing. a disc drive isn't too expensive.)

And yes, I hate the policy of not publishing demos anymore for most games, too.

Modifié par stardazzled, 24 novembre 2009 - 09:06 .

[TallBearNC]

Chances are this won't happen.. and honestly.. why is it such a bother to leave the disc in the machine? most all modern machines have 2 DVD drives anyway

[copernicus__]

Kepha wrote...
EA wasn't going to let the game ship without some DRM mechanism.

That's fine and dandy but when you have registered your copy through this site the DVD check have no purpose anymore since it's obiovious you own a legit copy, they could unlock your copy not to ask the DVD anymore like it was for The Witcher.
Also, when you donwload the DLC you need to be logged on all the time if you wish to play with them so where's the deal? Again, remove the DVD check for legit copies please.

stardazzled wrote...../../../images/forum/emoticons/w00t.png

I really don't understand you. Either download an additional digital copy for free[...]

You're missing the point..
We shouldn't have to download this if we already have it, what if someone has a dial up connection?
I don't care if it's free I already have it and it makes more sense to remove the DVD check for registered copies than forcing legit users to go through god-knows-what to be able play without going crazy.

Also, "most machines have 2 drives" is not something that work because most gamers assemble their own machine with their hands and I don't see why I should have 2 dvd drives spending additional money than those I already spent for the game when 1 is more than enough (with the risk that the one I'm going to buy may have the same identical problem, you can't know that before testing it).
I care little for on-the-fly burning, that's the only purpose in having 2 dvd drives.

Modifié par copernicus__, 24 novembre 2009 - 10:09 .

[Varenus Luckmann]

Who the hell has a use for 2 drives, unless, as copernicus says, you use it for on-the-fly burning?

I'm annoyed as hell by the DVD check aswell. But that's mostly because of personal issues; My DVD reader makes a horrible screeching sound whenever it's reading.

[stardazzled]

My father assembled my machine (I picked the parts) and I have two disc drives - a new one and one from an older pc. One disc drive is to keep my current game in and one is to install software - which happens rarely - or to listen to music. Could also be used for another game disc as there still is the good old living room hifi system. Both drives were around 30-40 Euros. - It's just more convenient. I openly admit: I'm a lazy b****. An additional improvement would be slot-in drives as I loved them but I haven't seen one around in quite some time.

@copernicus_:
Yes, I see that when it comes to dial-up connections. On the other side, if you mention this on some boards (for example in my country) people would go for your lungs. Some people just cannot understand that there are people out there lacking a high-speed connection. Mass media also loves to have us believe that there rarely are dial-up connections, nowadays. I can only assure anyone to tell me when they have a slower connection - there often opens another way only by knowing this.

I already had some keys taken by some shady people via key generators (key from a new game was occupied and already in use and you have the hassle of turning it in), so you will understand that I support any method beside key registrations.

I often imagine gamers using that wheel from Monkey Island 1 + 2 in modern times. Would be so absolutely stunning. Or checking words in their manuals and counting characters. Ah, the good old times.

Modifié par stardazzled, 24 novembre 2009 - 11:53 .

[indome]

aries1001 wrote...

You can download the game digitally (free!) at the EA store, I think? or at EA's site, if you jhave a legal bought retail copy of the, the manual and the game's cdkey, I think...

How does one actually do this? I went to EA online store and website and couldn't find any option to download a free digital copy...I do own a physical copy, of course, and would also like to avoid having to keep the physical disc in my drive all the time.

[stardazzled]

indome wrote...

aries1001 wrote...

You can download the game digitally (free!) at the EA store, I think? or at EA's site, if you jhave a legal bought retail copy of the, the manual and the game's cdkey, I think...

How does one actually do this? I went to EA online store and website and couldn't find any option to download a free digital copy...I do own a physical copy, of course, and would also like to avoid having to keep the physical disc in my drive all the time.

In Germany, there is a link on the EA Store website ( www.eastore.com ) front page, which says "Activate your game", then you have to log into your EA account and write down the registration key from the manual and it should work. I am sorry to have no further information but I cannot access the US page of the store atm.

[Sensorie]

I'd rather not have to download the game through the EA Download Manager when I've already bought the retail copy. Discs are hardly indestructible and are prone to dust, scratches and general wear and tear, especially if you leave the disc in the drive needlessly for an extended period.



I've tried mounting an image of the disc on a virtual, but the disc image failed to authenticate due to some form of protection I can't be bothered to bypass, so now I just use a fixed .exe to play without the disc.

[Aeshyn Stormsinger]

Be thankful it's just a disc check. Damn, people whine about any form of DRM these days it seems. Yes, Mass Effect DRM was a pain in the rear and it was too controlling, but a simple disc check is nothing to whine about. Bloody hell, go back a decade and there were disc checks and no one whined then because it was the norm. Rollercoaster Tycoon had a disc check, Duke 3D had a disc check, pretty much every game using a disc had a disc check. Now that dominating DRM has entered the fray, you all want it ALL removed. Won't happen.

DRM such as the SecuRom in Mass Effect is indeed overkill but I do see why it was implemented, but they've gone back to a disc check to the graces of many gamers to make us HAPPY, which the majority of us are. So stop whining or they may as well load up the mega-DRM from Mass Effect because people like you won't be happy either way. DRM is protecting their rightfully earned profits, and while we may not like it, it's necessary.

If you have DVD drive issues (scratching your discs, jamming drive door and such) I can see your point but you have to see theirs as well, they can't just remove all forms of DRM as it'll open their profits up to massive attacks from piracy. Stardock had no DRM on SOASE and although they still made a profit, the game was also open to massive piracy. But still, be thankful it's only a disc check, and none of that SecuRom/TAGES stuff.

majae wrote...

Yes, the DVD check is annoying. I realize they are trying to stop hacked copies, but that **** never works anyway. Isn't it obvious that someone has a full, purchased and registered version through the registration process?

True, but can't people play without registering, just without online functionality?  People could just play offline on pirated versions.

Modifié par Aeshyn Stormsinger, 25 novembre 2009 - 12:53 .

[copernicus__]

Please everyone stop making it a DRM question, it's not.
I am not asking to remove the DVD check from all copies.
I am asking to remove the DVD check ONLY for those who have registered their serial with the social network (who are OBIVIOUSLY legit users) which is all another thing and doesn't exchange nothing with piracy or DRM issues. Don't play that card and spoil my thread please, if you have nothing constructive to say don't say nothing, no one is forcing you. Thank you.

Regarding the NoDVD fix I usually don't like to replace stock files with untrusted ones when I bought my nice new copy, it's a known fact that those fix work yes and no on some cases, see Assassin's Creed.

I hope the message I intented to send already "got through" to the ears I wanted.

Modifié par copernicus__, 25 novembre 2009 - 02:12 .

[Aeshyn Stormsinger]

The problem is if they make the DVD check removal, even if only for people on the SN, someone will leak it out to people who haven't registered, it'll spread around on torrents and warez websites, and it won't just be limited to legit users then - anyone will be able to remove the disc check/protection.

There was a comment further up about using a fixed .exe, why not try that, as it will solve your problem and it'll be somewhat similar to what would be released if it were.

Modifié par Aeshyn Stormsinger, 25 novembre 2009 - 02:04 .

[copernicus__]

Right, this is something constructive indeed, thank you Aeshyn.
If that would be the problem I'd then suggest to make it activable/deactivable like Sacred 2.
So that when a key is registered already it can't be re-registered again until the previous one is deactivated, or I'm failing somewhere?

Modifié par copernicus__, 25 novembre 2009 - 02:09 .

[Aeshyn Stormsinger]

But the restriction in Sacred 2 actually is DRM, lol. That's what gamers were wanting removed, and having it brought back to simpler things such as disc checks.

But yeah, I think DA:O does do your suggestion (the registering one key at a time, at one time) in a way, because only one person can register one key, but the game would need a check and would involve the player needing to be logged in while playing to check the key, where some people might not be able to get internet access.

Modifié par Aeshyn Stormsinger, 25 novembre 2009 - 02:16 .

[Matthew Young CT]

"Be thankful it's just a disc check. Damn, people whine about any form of DRM these days it seems. Yes, Mass Effect DRM was a pain in the rear and it was too controlling, but a simple disc check is nothing to whine about."



Well, it's a stupid waste of time, so no, people should continue complaining about it. Being better than an even worse system does not make it good.



As for the OP, talk to EA. DRM is a publishers thing. From a technical standpoint, they can't remove the disk check without providing a DRM-free exe. They probably don't realise the game was cracked long ago, so they consider that bad.

[copernicus__]

Nope, it would need the connection only the first time for activation, I think.
I can play S2 without being connected without problems once I activated it.
Besides, DA:O already need a nailed connection to play the DLC so it wouldn't be a great loss I think (let's remember that those people not having an internet access could still be able to play it with the DVD in the drive..).
Or you're not going to buy them? ******* coochy coo*

Modifié par copernicus__, 25 novembre 2009 - 02:24 .

[MS3825]

The only reason I bought this game when EA is the publisher is no SecuRom.

Honestly disk checks and CD-keys are hardly an inconvenience, and this is coming from someone who hates DRM with a passion.

I like the idea of a no disk check update for those who have registered their CD-keys though.

[Aeshyn Stormsinger]

copernicus__ wrote...



Nope, it would need the connection only the first time for activation, I think.

I can play S2 without being connected without problems once I activated it.

Besided, DA:O already need a nailed connection to play the DLC so it wouldn't be a great loss I think.

Or you're not going to buy them? ******* coochy coo*

Lol, actually, I'm not buying the DRM, . I'll wait until some form of hard-copy comes out with most of them rolled into a disc that I can buy from my local EB Games store. Something like with NWN Kingmaker, and such.



I agree with MS3825 that a disc check is not an inconvenience, but disabling a check if registered would be handy. They could release a patch for the DA:O Config tool that you enter your forum name/email address and your key, checks it, and in turn bypasses the check. That would be nice.

[copernicus__]

Yep, thank you for agreeing with me even me being a little "difficult to handle" aye?

Now..EA do somethin' already!