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Why the hate for Garrus?


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ADLegend21

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Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

In ME1 he was pretty much spineless. Yeah, he was "renegade", but confronting him on it always made him nod in agreement with no rebuttal.

In ME2 they retconned the paragonning of Garrus and made him "renegade", but they went too far. He's dangerously reckless, arrogant, and impatient. The worst part is that he thinks these are admirable qualities. He takes a team of roughly twelve people to attack an entire space station run by gangs. No surprise they all end up dead, and when you find him stuck in his hole all he does is act like he's god's gift to everything and like the only reason the station isn't a haven was because of Sidonis, when actuality it is entirely his fault for choosing such a hopeless mission in the first place. He's a terrible leader with no regards for the safety of the people he's supposed to protect. He's trying to fight for ideals that I don't think he really understands.

Then throw into consideration the fact that he's entirely ignoring his dying mother and the rest of his family just so he can go off and feed his own ego playing space cowboy and griping about C-Sec's red tape.

I completely forgot about his dying mother because I stoppe dreading his Dossier. I revise my post to instead of dropping him at C-sec I'm dropping him off with his mother and beating him before that. How the hell could he forget about his MOTHER.Image IPB

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Did everyone miss that part about him donating Collector tissue to a foundation to get help for his mother?

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ADLegend21 wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Then throw into consideration the fact that he's entirely ignoring his dying mother and the rest of his family just so he can go off and feed his own ego playing space cowboy and griping about C-Sec's red tape.

I completely forgot about his dying mother because I stoppe dreading his Dossier. I revise my post to instead of dropping him at C-sec I'm dropping him off with his mother and beating him before that. How the hell could he forget about his MOTHER.Image IPB


Um... did you guys understand the dossier?  Garrus was extremely concerned about his mother.  He pulled some major strings to get her the treatment that she needed that the family couldn't otherwise afford, and his family will probably never even know that he did it.

EDIT:  The interesting thing is that his sister does seem to believe what you two are saying (at least to a degree; some of it is implied to be understandable frustation about their mom's situation)... but the other dossiers plus our own knowledge about what Garrus has been up to directly contradicts this.  I don't see how this was misunderstood.

Modifié par leggywillow, 20 février 2012 - 06:06 .


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Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

In ME1 he was pretty much spineless. Yeah, he was "renegade", but confronting him on it always made him nod in agreement with no rebuttal.

In ME2 they retconned the paragonning of Garrus and made him "renegade", but they went too far. He's dangerously reckless, arrogant, and impatient. The worst part is that he thinks these are admirable qualities. He takes a team of roughly twelve people to attack an entire space station run by gangs. No surprise they all end up dead, and when you find him stuck in his hole all he does is act like he's god's gift to everything and like the only reason the station isn't a haven was because of Sidonis, when actuality it is entirely his fault for choosing such a hopeless mission in the first place. He's a terrible leader with no regards for the safety of the people he's supposed to protect. He's trying to fight for ideals that I don't think he really understands.

Then throw into consideration the fact that he's entirely ignoring his dying mother and the rest of his family just so he can go off and feed his own ego playing space cowboy and griping about C-Sec's red tape.


That is the first legitimate reason I have heard.

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I'm agreeing with nightwing here. Some people hate him because he's shep's bro (some people don't like BW choosing shep's friends), they think he's getting special treatment, or they just don't like Turians. Personally I like him he's dependable, reliable, and he's been in it to win it since ME unlike some characters who shall go unnamed!

But really the same issue will more then likely now occur with VS coming in most people hate them since Horizon and will scream how VS has gotten special treatment since they were first on ship and you have to interact with them from then onwards. We'll have VShaters popping up in as many a number as anti-team dextro members.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 20 février 2012 - 06:43 .


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There just jealous they can't be as cool.

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How could someone hate Garrus? I'll never understand...

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PseudoEthnic wrote...

Simple; Garrus is getting more attention than most of the other characters because he's popular. The hate towards Garrus is mostly against his popularity, and less of his character. The same can be said of Tali. If everyone got equal treatment, there would be less hatred toward these two. But what's done is done, and there's nothing we can do about it.

That is very debatable.

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I didn't mind Garrus in ME1. He was not my cup of tea personality wise, but okay.

I hate him in ME2 because he's portrayed as Shepard's best friend. I want to choose my friends, and it wouldn't be Garrus. At least Liara's friendship path in LOTSB was well written (even if it was forced).

Modifié par SilvinTT56, 20 février 2012 - 01:27 .


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Who dares to hate Garrus!?

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There are many reasons to hate Garrus.

Personally I dislike him b/c of his views on morality. He is both reckless and idealistic, someone who would rather follow his ideals rather than adhere to the laws of C-sec, for example. Some might call it noble, and that Garrus in the end only wants justice. Well it isn't the goal that matters, it's how he achieves it, and from my point of view, i dislike it. Garrus is willing to go and would cross all stopping points if it meant getting his bad guy.

Would be interesting to see what Garrus would do if he faced the same situation as Samara did against Nihlus. Garrus ins't evil or anything, but he is a renegade by heart.

Obviously some might agree with this method, but I don't. But this still makes Garrus more of an interesting character to me, and I wouldn't like him that much didn't he have his morality views.

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He is easily one of the most popular squadmate. Where do you get the idea from?!

And he is a bro character (which sadly is why I will never ever want to romance the dude).

Furthermore Liara is seriously the most over-publicized character anyway... *cough*

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I agree with Priisus. He is the most popular squadmate. A "bro" character.

There are people who hate/love every character, so get used to it.

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Who's he getting revenge on this week? Nothing Shepard did mattered, it felt like he has to learn the same lesson over and over again (if you paragonized him). His role as Shepards canon buddy and squadmate status in all three games didn't make me love him either.

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Oay let's see

pro garrus: alien, not as irritating as ashley, jack, jacob or miranda, not as whiny about your decision to join cerberus as the VS or Tali(yes, I know he joined but..

con garrus: why do people find him cool or interesting if all he does is complain, calibrate and fail(yes, he held the line nicely on Omega, but everyone did something waaay too awesome in the recruitment mission or the DLC-s in the loyalty)? The huge fanbas topic is stupid because he had the chance to build it up since game 1, and with his full squadie status in all games, the fans have a lot of things to talk about(I think Kasumi does very well with being a ME2 DLC). Ashley and/or TIM supporters might hate him becasue he is an alien. I'm guessign there are people like this. And finally my reason to hate him: Why the unholy f*** does he have to be a full squadmember in all the games?! All he did in ME1 was say: now I can finally do things my way! MUHAHAAA wait what? your the commander? Oh yes I forgot. sorry!.He and Tali were brought back in ME2 for no real reason just to give a trreat for all the xenosexuals, who missed them in the first round. Comes ME3 and the squad is Everyone from ME1 minus Wrex(the real fan favourite), a beefy soldier, a sexbot, and an alive who should have died like thousands of years ago. Yes, "princess" Tali is important as a racial leader(which does not mean she should be a squadie. again see Wrex) but why Garrus? What does he have, that for example General Septimus or Councilor Dismissed does not? I tell you, the only thing he has is a place that could have been given to Kasumi, Legion, Thane, Grunt, Zaeed, Kal'Reegar. Mordin, Kirrahe, Conrad, Shiala. He had enough opportunity, damit!

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His not that hated. His the most popular character, not counting Shepard, in the Mass Effect series.

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His not hated much. His the most popular character, not counting Shepard, in the Mass Effect series.

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I really don't like Garrus, and I can't speak for everyone about it, but:

1) Turian (preference)
2) He's basically the "cop who can't play by the rules". I really don't care for that. (preference)
3) He's defaulted to "Shepard's 'bro' ", which I have an issue with because you didn't even *need* to take him with you in ME1. You could tell him you didn't want him on your ship, and that was great.
4) He (and Tali) are on the team in ME 3, while all the other characters from ME 2 get the shaft due to fan pandering. I'd rather have two new characters to take up their spots and to have them off, you know, doing things for their people.

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He's not everyones cup of tea, though he certainly is mine =D But, gawd,he is overused in the trailers....miss Jack =(

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I don't hate Garrus but I don't really see why people get so excited over him either. Or Tali, for that matter.

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Eh...
On these forums he most be one of the most popular squad mates, judging from all the top x lists I've seen.

Now, I don't really like him. Don't dislike him either, but I've always thought there was something awkward about his portrayal. Still, I don't remember ever expressing this feeling before, so you couldn't have got the 'Garrus hate' from me. ;)

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Garrus hate? psh there wouldn't be a mass effect with out Garrus for me.

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Re: the paragon'ing of Garrus, he moves from 'acceptable losses' to 'no civilian casualties'. I do like that he's slightly less playdough in Shepard's hands.

But there is an AWFUL lot of Garrus. I like it, but some people may not.

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FFVII effect.

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I have a mild dislike for the character.
One of the reasons is his arrogance. The others include forced friendship, over use in marketing, and people asking how anyone could dislike Garrus.