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[BlueMagitek]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

Tell that to all the Sole Survivors.

Funny, my first Shep is Sole Survivor and took more notice of Hackett's nod that it was an alliance project.

[General User]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Miranda would never have been able to actually convince most of the team to follow her, and Jacob would never have wanted to lead them in the first place, the reason Shepard can is because his personality is not already defined. Miranda would never have opened Grunt's Case, Miranda would never have activated Legion, Miranda would never have successfully recruited Jack, Miranda would never have convinced Tali to join her, Without Shepard its likely Garrus would have have used live rounds not concussion rounds, and would have been far less trusting of their motives to actually help him assuming he even took the time to let them talk to him which is unlikely. So now to succesfully complete the suicide mission your left with a single tech expert option which is Kasumi, a single secondary team leader in Jacob and your missing two of your most powerful team members for holding the line. Miranda is also not the type to go off and do loyalty missions for team members aside from possibly jacob. She also would likely trust EDI once unshackled which could lead to lots of problems in the last mission. Without Garrus the normandy has no Thanix Cannon, Without Tali it has no multi-core shielding. There are numerous reasons why other characters would have massive issues in achieving their objectives simply because their personalities and mindsets are already established and are not as flexible as shepards because he/she is the protagonist. If you controlled Miranda she would not be Miranda she would be a completely different character that you created a personality for who happened to look like Miranda and share her name.

I completely reject this idea that the "team" we picked up in ME2 were themselves essential to the ultimate success of the Collector campaign, excepting perhaps Dr. Solus.  TIM choose them because they were the best at what they do but what they do is actually common enough skill sets in the MEverse.  Indeed given the… emotionally unstable nature of some of the teamates (Jack, I'm looking in your direction), I would have preferred to reject them entirely in favor of more stable persons.

Furhtermore, I also reject the idea that most of the teamates would not have followed anyone besides Shepard.  Miranda and/or Jacob are only one set of possible replacements.  There's also Kai Leng and Oleg Petrovsky.  All potential replacments for Shepard.

Garrus (who, btw, was brought on board the Normandy unconscious) would have still signed on.  The loss of his little vigilante squad had shaken him, and he was actually at least partially in agreement with the Collector mission in the first place.

Mordin was willing to work with Cerberus from the start, and would have helped anyone who distributed his cure for the Omega Plague.

Zaeed, Kasumi, and Thane were all hired guns, they wanted payment.  Thane just took his payment in the form of spiritual redemption.

Jack was an unstable element, and the team would be better off without her.  But she also had no real choice about going with Cerberus.  It was that or go down in flames.

Samara neither loved nor hated Cerberus and  she only followed Shepard in order to sidestep an unpleasent provison in the Justicar Code, a potential massacre.

Tali would almost certainly have not been willing to work with Cerberus without Shepard, but her skill set is also potentially the most replaceable.  Also, bringing her on board was (potentially) Shepard's idea, not TIM's.  Please note that multi-core shielding is nowhere said to be anything like a proprietary quarian technology, or that Tali did anything more than install it.

Grunt and Legion are easily more valuable to the war effort as part of Cerberus' bioweapons and cyberweapons programs than they are as teamates.

Modifié par General User, 21 février 2012 - 04:24 .

[Xayoz]

Arppis wrote...

Haha, you know I've imagined that TIM will be the last boss of the game. Sitting inside some protective bubble and smoking his cigarettes, while mocking Shepard as he attacks the 3 power generators and turrets TIM summons. Then TIM always goes: "IMPOSSIBLE! " when Shepard destroys one of them.

Just like in some old 16-bit game!

You know, the sad thing is, this is probably pretty close to how it's going to play out.

[Julia343]

I don't have the time to pour through pages of the thread. I'll say this. Conventional methods of fighting the Reapers will lead to one of two endings: defeat or a Deus Ex Machina. Those are the only two ways.

Yes, Mordin studying the seekers gave us a method for fighting the collectors. We do need to understand how to fight indoctrination. That was why Saren was studying it. Unfortunately it was backfiring. It was also one reason I let the Asari scientist live. She had just the proper lack of moral compass to get the job done. Now on the Citadel.... they can't account for half of Sovereign.... leading me to conclude that the council is indoctrinated "Ah yes, 'Reapers'", and that pretty much everyone on the Citadel is indoctrinated to a small point. The rest of Sovereign was salvaged.

Indoctrination is the single biggest weapon the Reapers have. But it is just tech. If one were to be able to reverse engineer it and turn it against the Reapers themselves. If this is what TIM is trying to do, I don't see why he's fighting Shepard -- just this -- Joker: "Message from the Illusive Man coming in. He just wants to talk." Fighting him for no reason? That's simply bad writing. Of course, I'm suspecting that they're turning TIM into Saren to the 100th power in evilness he'll want to use them against every other species in the galaxy and beyond, which will leave only the Paragon path open for Shepard.

[knightnblu]

Because Cerberus does not work for you. They are out for themselves and you are not a part of that plan. Since Shep is fouling up Cerberus' plans, he has got to go. Simple.

[ziloe]

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[khordlambert]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

khordlambert wrote...

Imbus1323 wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

According to Game Informer, tIM doesn't want Shepard to destroy the Reapers because he wants to take control of them for himself.

Is this true or just sheer speculation? Of all the theories that.... has to be the worst. Hope it isn't that or BW.... I am disappoint.

I honestly considered that pretty likely considering we're discussing the same individual who had the sheer cajones to claim that Cerberus was Humanity.

TIM has a bit of a God complex from what I've seen of him. I would not be shocked to discover he was egotistical enough to think he and his fruty little club could pull that off.

Except that he CAN pull it off.

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PHFFFFFTAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh yes, TIM, the leader of a bunch of whackjob mad scientists, most of whom I'm quite certain got their degrees through a mail order course, is going to figure out how to take control of an ancient race of Lovecraftian nightmares who brainwash people for SPORT!

Oh yeah, I can see that happening. Right after Wrex dicides to embrace pacifism, Grunt and Kasumi discuss their favorite types of Ramen, and the Turian councilman admits he's got a crush on Shepard. Not in this universe buddy!