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[Scorpion1O1]

Taleroth wrote...

Scorpion1O1 wrote...

So, if I don't know anything about Mass Effect, I would see the commercial and a kid dies then I'll download the demo to watch another young toy ship enthuesist die. It gets watered down real fast I think.

It's all part of their subliminal messaging to make little children afraid of playing outside with toys.

Come inside and play video games.

Oh... obviously

[DJBare]

SuperVulcan wrote...

I say the kids were included to show how serious this conflict with the reapers will be.

Dust against cosmic winds.

[Nageth]

That sounds awesome when you say it in your head with Sean Connery's voice.

[XFemShepX]

tobynator89 wrote...

What? You dont like killing kids? One of my favorite pastimes.

  I'm sorry, that's hilarious.

On a serious note, though--yeah, Bioware is trying for that "emotional engagement" by killing children.  Except, I'm only emotionally invested in the characters I've gotten to know over the series.  Hell, at least give me some interaction or a conversation with these kids before you kill them.  My heart might twinge a little in sympathy then.  But yeah......nothing.  Did they realize they had more female gamers than anticipated and tried to capitalize on our maternal instincts, or something? 

It's kinda cheap, really. <_<

[Walker White]

We have known about this kid's death since the Beta leak. If you saw the comments on the YouTube videos when the beta leak came out, you would know that some people are indeed emotionally effected by this scene. Just because there is this new club on BSN that is too cool for school (and where were you all when we first learned what was going to happen to this kid?) does not mean that this scene fails emotionally. Maybe it does not effect you, but there are a significant number of people for whom it does resonate.

[SuperVulcan]

DJBare wrote...

SuperVulcan wrote...

I say the kids were included to show how serious this conflict with the reapers will be.

Dust against cosmic winds.

NOTE: If you haven't finished Mass Effect 2, I would not read this!

Perhaps. Even so, they tried to make us one of them, that has to mean something.

[AtreiyaN7]

Some people are emotionally impacted, some aren't. The attempts are neither weak nor stupid - this is one of those subjective things that really varies from person to person. Don't feel anything? Congrats on that - doesn't mean it doesn't affect others. I found it somewhat poignant.

[Unfallen_Satan]

I don't think the Reaper shot down the transport in the demo specifically to kill the boy. We don't even know for sure the girl in the CGI trailer died. Maybe she ran off and dropped her toy. I do agree that BioWare seems to like having kids in ME3's promotional material though.

[Nageth]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Some people are emotionally impacted, some aren't. The attempts are neither weak nor stupid - this is one of those subjective things that really varies from person to person. Don't feel anything? Congrats on that - doesn't mean it doesn't affect others. I found it somewhat poignant.

And some interpret it as blatantly manipulative and doesn't meet us halfway in at least giving us a reason. Congrats on lumping life into two groups. Hope that works well for you.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Moar child killing by reapers for more emotions!

[Dave of Canada]

The kid was introduced for the sole purpose of death, it made me laugh when he died because I saw it coming from a mile away and the entire build up was cheap.

Rather than getting to know the kid or have somebody "close" to us die, they introduced a character which everybody feels emotionally involved in (a child / a puppy or whatever) and then shoved it in our face for ten minutes before killing it off.

It's made to make people sad, whether or works or not is subjective but I found it funny myself. It's like seeing somebody with a red-shirt in Star Trek die, the only difference is that the redshirt is a kid/puppy/otherthingwhichmakespeoplesadifbadthingshappentothem.

All that was missing was a mother mourning over her dead son's body.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 20 février 2012 - 06:45 .

[AtreiyaN7]

Nageth wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Some people are emotionally impacted, some aren't. The attempts are neither weak nor stupid - this is one of those subjective things that really varies from person to person. Don't feel anything? Congrats on that - doesn't mean it doesn't affect others. I found it somewhat poignant.

And some interpret it as blatantly manipulative and doesn't meet us halfway in at least giving us a reason. Congrats on lumping life into two groups. Hope that works well for you.

Congrats on taking things personally? I did say it was subjective - gee, did I have to list every reason including that one and hold your hand too? You might want to read again where I said "subjective" and "varies from person to person." It's neither my job, nor my interest in detailing every reason or defining every side in this. I never said anything about two camps, but do feel free to make yet another inane response, as I'm sure that it will be so very entertaining.

[Dave of Canada]

Actually, no. I was wrong, the scene has a lot of depth. The scene is truly sad for Shepard because the first child he's seen in years, probably his entire life, has died. It's like watching an almost extinct animal die, it's a truly horrible experience and the world feels more empty.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 20 février 2012 - 06:50 .

[Nageth]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Nageth wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Some people are emotionally impacted, some aren't. The attempts are neither weak nor stupid - this is one of those subjective things that really varies from person to person. Don't feel anything? Congrats on that - doesn't mean it doesn't affect others. I found it somewhat poignant.

And some interpret it as blatantly manipulative and doesn't meet us halfway in at least giving us a reason. Congrats on lumping life into two groups. Hope that works well for you.

Congrats on taking things personally? I did say it was subjective - gee, did I have to list every reason including that one and hold your hand too? You might want to read again where I said "subjective" and "varies from person to person." It's neither my job, nor my interest in detailing every reason or defining every side in this. I never said anything about two camps, but do feel free to make yet another inane response, as I'm sure that it will be so very entertaining.

Congrats on missing how I was mainly parodying your tone, trying to show how it doesn't really help convey your message as intended.

[Gossip]

Seboist wrote...

At this point I expect another "emotionally engaging" moment where an old lady with a stretcher is trying to outrun a husk.

LMFAO.

[Gossip]

Tbh, I think it's a way to not only remind, but to show there's more at stake now.

It's hitting home. For the past two games we haven't seen any children, now we see this little boy, trying to survive this calamity, who is struggling. It's a last reminder for Shepard to fight for those who can't, to avenge those who didn't make it.

Modifié par Gossip, 20 février 2012 - 07:22 .

[LaurenShepard-N7]

MrRiadon wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

No BW is killing kids because we asked for kids to be in 3 and since 3 is about reapers eating, killing, and enslaving people (hence we have to stop them) kids are part of the population and as such aren't immuned to reaperfication. The kids serve to show the evilness of our enemy they don't say aw look at the poor 10 year old he's sooo cute lets not kill him, but his parents TOTALLY THERE GUT EM'. I did tell everybody before if you want BW to have kids shown in 3 you better be up for implied child deaths too.

A few games to date games that have implied child death:

Velvet assassin (go to the ghetto see the little kids abandoned shoes, and small dead bodies with blood on the wall)

Siren aka forbidden siren ( travel with a young 6 - 8 year old girl if shibito find her she implied dies)

Assassin's creed rev. (woman and baby both die)


Games that have actual kid death

Fable (well kind of the guys kid gets turned into a trollish imp thing and you have to kill it)

Dragon age (you kill Conor)

So killing kids in games like movies, books, ect is nothing new.

Don't forget Dead Space 2, you kill hundreds of mutant toddlers and 5 year olds.

Modern Warfare 3 had a cutscene where a little girl got killed by a car-bomb. And in Bioshock you can kill the Little Sisters.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Cut to the reapers burning down whole orphanages and my Shepard laughing maniacally.

[AtreiyaN7]

Nageth wrote...


Congrats on missing how I was mainly parodying your tone, trying to show how it doesn't really help convey your message as intended.

I had no particular tone other than slight flippancy, as I was mostly being serious. Your parody might have been a reasonable one if I had actually been aiming for sarcasm (I wasn't). Feel free to keep discussing my tone, though, as it's nominally more interesting than the constant complaining (and that's not sarcasm either).

[Major League]

we've only seen two kids in this entire series, and they both have been killed.

[GuardianAngel470]

So how many of you are veteran enough to remember that I called this about 2 years ago?

Actually my thread made an excellent point (or rather, people in it) in that killing children willy nilly is a pretty shoddy way to engage a player/audience. From a writing perspective, if you don't do it well, it's almost a cop out; like a an emotional cheat card.

I think if Bioware wanted to go that route they should have simply had a mother in the streets holding their dead child weeping loudly in horror/internal agony/sadness. I'd be much more willing to empathize and would have been much more engaged if I had to walk past such a sight and listen to the woman long after I could no longer see her.

[Carnage752]

Oh for god's sake don't you BSN ****s ever stop ****ing???

[hangmans tree]

Carnage752 wrote...

Oh for god's sake don't you BSN ****s ever stop ****ing???

that would be the day