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Hey BioWare, what's being done re:cheaters on MP?


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Merchant2006

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Well.... title ^.

There are video examples of how you can just fiddle with the demo and gain 220,000 points per kill and you can unlock certain weapons that should not be unlockable in the demo, but... aside from that, what's to stop people doing this in the final copy of ME3?

Again the age old debate of OH LAWD ANTI-CHEET WE NEED VAC/PB/STUFF to protect ourselves and our delicious bodies online, but what are you going to do to stop cheaters?

And I don't mean banning people's Origin account. That is not enough. Well... *thinks about it* it sort of is, I mean a total ban would be a serious deterrant but how will you know whether someone is going to be using hacks in the MP? Do you have some sort of anti-cheat system? *Thinks about it again* Well... uhm... I guess if Origin does scan my files then... nevermind. You get where I was going with that, heh ^^.

No but RLY, what's going to be done to stop hackers/exploiters/cheaters from rampaging online and getting ridiculous amounts of EXP, money and unlocks? 

*Looks over at Dead Space 2 MP and shudders* Visceral Studios just left that game to rot afterwards, they didn't combat or tackle cheaters and I don't want Mass Effect 3 to suffer the same fate, and I'm sure neither do you BioWare.

inb4originarguments inb4pcmasterraceanticheatandsteamisthebestest etc etc

Modifié par Merchant2006, 20 février 2012 - 12:08 .


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It's just an extra fun little mode, I'm not sure if they are planning on supporting it more than the previous games which have far more exploits (and irritating bugs and oversights) in them that still hasn't got fixed and probably never will. The only difference now is that you are exposed to other people cheating.

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They probably won't do too much. Origin's system of dealing with that stuff is unknown, because there's like what, four games on origin?

I'm concerned about the 360 version, with epic hacks to leaderboards, and god knows what else they'll come up with next. And Microsoft is a pain in the neck when it comes to modifying a client/adding DLC.

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PC version is fairly easy to solve from what I've been seeing. Host everything that determines the rewards and difficulty serverside. Consoles, not sure.
Still as long as there's no global leaderboard, etc, then they're just spoiling the game for themselves right?

Modifié par Tangster, 20 février 2012 - 12:27 .


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Sure, don't get me wrong I'm more of a Singleplayer person myself but after having a lot of fun on MP with my friends I'm definately going to be playing it more in the future when the game comes out.

It's just the game is subject to abuse online (as are most MP titles). I suppose it's not much of a problem if you're gaming with buddies but there is always that potential you come across someone ruining it for others. I leave games with cheaters immediately, I'd rather not be anywhere near 'em online. Then again, it's still a problem. Just because I don't play with cheaters doesn't mean that they aren't there and exploiting ME3 online. I'm sure BioWare realises that there will undoubtedly be cheaters online but I'm unsure as to what stance they are taking on it.

Just curious, that's all.

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Not a lot they can do besides verifying files as everything is P2P, I guess.
Besides, currently MP doesn't look like it's meant to be long-living and it's still BioWare we're talking about. So, they'll probably do nothing at all.

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Nothing :\\ I messaged them and reported it on twitter and they didn't seem that bothered.

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:< That's a bummer.

Modifié par Merchant2006, 20 février 2012 - 12:30 .


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Roros5e wrote...

The only difference now is that you are exposed to other people cheating.


Which is a HUGE difference and exactly the reason why BioWare should do something about MP cheaters. I don't want cheaters ruining my MP experience, it's lame and it isn't fair.

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Who cares if others cheat? Its a co-op game. Level up your own character on your own terms.

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Oh cheaters have got to this so fast ?

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Because they take the fun and challenge out of the game. And I REALLY don't see any point in cheating in this game.

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Luc0s wrote...

Roros5e wrote...

The only difference now is that you are exposed to other people cheating.


Which is a HUGE difference and exactly the reason why BioWare should do something about MP cheaters. I don't want cheaters ruining my MP experience, it's lame and it isn't fair.


Currently all you can do if you enter a hacked lobby is to leave when you notice.

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Tho is there a way to notice that a hobby is croocked?

Btw there are also people online that can rui the game for others when they believe yours skills are cheating, already happened once to me in this

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ShadedPhoenix wrote...

Tho is there a way to notice that a hobby is croocked?

Btw there are also people online that can rui the game for others when they believe yours skills are cheating, already happened once to me in this


Start game, notice game is rather easy in some way. I've heard of massive clip sizes and either uber damage or low enemy health. Killing a trooper and getting 8000XP is probably a giveaway as well. Other than that, probably not.

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HolyAvenger wrote...

Who cares if others cheat? Its a co-op game. Level up your own character on your own terms.


Yes I also acknowledged this as well, if you have a group of friends then you can play with them. If you see a cheater then you can leave the game. But avoid the problem all you want but it is still there and all I'm saying is that something should be done about it. It's very easy for me to avoid, heck I can do it 100% of the time but it doesn't change the fact at hand that cheaters can easily run rampant online and cause problems for the majority of players who may be gaming online with 'randoms'.

@ShadedPhoenix there is a way of noticing people who cheat, they can easily add ridiculous mods to weapons or they gain huge amounts of exp from killing someone.

Here's an example. I was gaming online on Dead Space 2 (PC MP) and someone on my team shot a necromorph enemy on the opposing team. I also fired on it and he got the kill, whereas I got the assist.

My assist gave me +180,000xp. 180. Thousand. Experience points. It appeared that his hack affected me as well, and I ranked up when the game ended by around 10 levels immediately. I was surprised and yes, it was amusing but I did not like it at all. Looking back retrospectively I honestly don't give a damn for Dead Space Multiplayer so I couldn't care less, but at the time it was annoying. Later you had people who had infinite health packs and about 1000000% extra damage resistance so they were near-impossible to kill.

They also had superweapons. One shot kills on enemies. What if someone in the round saw an Atlas, for someone else to just 1 shot it with the impact of a missle launcher from a pistol and gain 200,000xp for it and you gain nothing. So yeah, I guess it would be a problem if someone on the game gets 90%+ of the points and no one else gets any.

Modifié par Merchant2006, 20 février 2012 - 01:10 .


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Merchant2006 wrote...

They also had superweapons.
One shot kills on enemies. What if someone in the round saw an Atlas,
for someone else to just 1 shot it with the impact of a missle launcher
from a pistol and gain 200,000xp for it and you gain nothing. So yeah, I
guess it would be a problem if someone on the game gets 90%+ of the
points and no one else gets any.


People seriously need to realize that there is no personal score. If someone gets 200k XP you are going to benefit from it since XP of every members is added at the end and is the XP you will get for this match (Player 1 got X XP, Player 2 Y XP, Player 3 Z XP and you got N XP, your XP for the match is going to be X+Y+Z+N). I'm not saying that cheating is fine, I'm just reacting about this whole "personal score" thing that is starting to ****** me off, kinda like people QQing about kill stealing.



Also keep in my mind that people are not always cheating, the game also has its own bugs (unless it is possible for someone to cheat for the whole group?). I had this one happening more than once: I get 999 ammos, they are going to be depleting, when the wave is over it goes back to its normal value but as soon as I replenish it gets back to 999.

So when this bug happens I just have unlimited ammos for the whole wave and for the whole match. Not my fault.

Modifié par maxulic, 20 février 2012 - 01:49 .


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Kick them after the round? Thats all you could do at this point imo
Vote to kick in the loby.. click their name and bam

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*Sigh*

I knew that posting how to edit the Coalesced files would cause lots of morons to hack public games. Why I still posted it, I guess I'll never know. My faith in humanity is pretty much gone at this point.

Nonetheless, I do not completely agree with you. I will use mods in private matches whenever I feel the need. If you feel that is cheating, fine. But I will never use them in public matches, not personally. I see no reason to restrict our ability to have fun by ourselves. You do realize that any blanket anti cheat system will ban for singleplayer mods as well, right?

The only thing that can be affected by me playing an imbalanced private match for my own amusement is the leaderboards, which are a stupid addition anyways, and not detailed enough to matter. I have no desire to play into the slot machine rewards method, nor do I have the desire to always play with others to beat gold. This is what modding is all about - personal enjoyment. When that becomes a hindrance to the enjoyment of others (public matches), then it's a problem. But don't encourage EA to ban modding altogether.

In short, report public lobby modders. I've asked people who read the thread to refrain from using mods on public matches, and apparently they couldn't care less. But if someone wishes to unlock all cards and screw around on a gold private match with godmode, it doesn't concern you. This is not competitive multiplayer, so there are no arguments to be made about people unlocking overpowered equipment too fast. To those who use this gift to grief others, shame on you. You are the reason we all suffer from draconian bans and encrypted files. Save it for when you're alone.

To those commenting about how modding takes the challenge out of the game, this only applies to when it affects an unwilling party. But since many of you seem content to ruin the fun that some of us are having ALONE, I felt the need to respond. Again, hate me if you will, but I will never use modding to lord it over those who want no part of it. On the flip side, I will never apologize for my right to play a game I payed for the way I want, when it affects only me.

And to Bioware/EA/anyone who handles multiplayer security for you:

Please consider what I've said. I realize that you did not intend for us to be able to muck around with your multiplayer system. However, the ability is now there, and it unfortunately linked to the ability to mod our singleplayer experience. Thus, a blanket lockdown of the game files or systematic banning of anyone using modded files is too pat to be fair. Let us who are using it quietly, without doing so in public matches, have our fun. Since you neglected to allow us to play solo in multiplayer without technically playing "multiplayer", don't take away our one avenue to do so. In exchange, those of us who do mod will do so responsibly, and ensure it affects us and us alone. By all means, ban those who mod public lobbies and cause chaos online. Since they are selfish enough to hurt others by their actions, they deserve to have their right to play revoked. But there IS a difference between us and them. Don't forget that. Part of what makes PC gaming special is the power to play as each person wishes.

Modifié par MrAtomica, 20 février 2012 - 08:19 .


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B1RDS_i

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1) Yeah, cheating sucks.
2) People worry too much about what others are doing.
3) Is it REALLY affecting you?
4) This game rocks.

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maxulic wrote...

Merchant2006 wrote...

They also had superweapons.
One shot kills on enemies. What if someone in the round saw an Atlas,
for someone else to just 1 shot it with the impact of a missle launcher
from a pistol and gain 200,000xp for it and you gain nothing. So yeah, I
guess it would be a problem if someone on the game gets 90%+ of the
points and no one else gets any.


People seriously need to realize that there is no personal score. If someone gets 200k XP you are going to benefit from it since XP of every members is added at the end and is the XP you will get for this match (Player 1 got X XP, Player 2 Y XP, Player 3 Z XP and you got N XP, your XP for the match is going to be X+Y+Z+N). I'm not saying that cheating is fine, I'm just reacting about this whole "personal score" thing that is starting to ****** me off, kinda like people QQing about kill stealing.



Also keep in my mind that people are not always cheating, the game also has its own bugs (unless it is possible for someone to cheat for the whole group?). I had this one happening more than once: I get 999 ammos, they are going to be depleting, when the wave is over it goes back to its normal value but as soon as I replenish it gets back to 999.

So when this bug happens I just have unlimited ammos for the whole wave and for the whole match. Not my fault.


This is the funny part. A modded file should not be able to affect others, since the file is stored locally for every party member. My guess is that these people are either mistakenly seeing something, or are exaggerating the truth/lying to reflect badly upon modders. Agian, though, I don't condone modding in public multiplayer, or competitive multiplayer. Since this is cooperative, and judicious modders only have the potential advantage of higher level unlocks, the only negative effect is personal "honor". Since I don't care much for stats, e-peen, or competition, I don't mind being called a cheat. I will never use it to hurt others, but I will gladly use it to amuse myself when I play alone.

Anyone doubting this can ask those I play with. I play in lobbies with others fairly, no exceptions.

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Honestly I never understood people who cheat on multiplayer (single player maybe if you are only in it for story) but multiplayer takes away from the sense of pride or enjoyment when you have accomplished something difficult. How are you going to brag about 100% headshot ratio when someone asks how and you say "Ohh I punched in some buttons and made some code and then I became godlike". Just sad

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Tangster wrote...

ShadedPhoenix wrote...

Tho is there a way to notice that a hobby is croocked?

Btw there are also people online that can rui the game for others when they believe yours skills are cheating, already happened once to me in this


Start game, notice game is rather easy in some way. I've heard of massive clip sizes and either uber damage or low enemy health. Killing a trooper and getting 8000XP is probably a giveaway as well. Other than that, probably not.


Actually it could be more subtle than that.  You could have 7 enemies at the same time instead of 8.  Or 4 at a spawn point instead of 5.  Or an assault trooper could constitute 25 points of enemy strength instead of 20.  Or have a 20% chance of unlocking a gold gun instead of 10% when you buy a veteran pack.

Cheating in this game structure is almost too easy.

Will you notice something like that?  And because you just unlocked some new toys, you really want to try it out, so you play another round with this fine bunch of folks.  And before you know it, you have profited quite a bit from the cheat as well.

Will EA ban your account?  I don't know the answer to that question.  That's the dilemma--those who intentionally cheated and those who didn't know they are in a cheating game are really hard to distinguish in this game structure. 

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N3xium_Crash wrote...

Honestly I never understood people who cheat on multiplayer (single player maybe if you are only in it for story) but multiplayer takes away from the sense of pride or enjoyment when you have accomplished something difficult. How are you going to brag about 100% headshot ratio when someone asks how and you say "Ohh I punched in some buttons and made some code and then I became godlike". Just sad


I don't brag. Competitiveness in coop is a retarded side effect of the testosterone infused FPS scene. I happen to enjoy playing God at times, when I have the fancy to. Accomplishments for some are also just mindless time sinks for others. If it affects only me, why care? Am I a sad individual? You can think so, it's your perogative. But again, I don't do this when it affects others, in this game or any other.

All of my arguments assume the modder is playing PRIVATELY. Publicly, all bets are off. But when they introduce bans or file checks, this shackles both, which is wrong.

Modifié par MrAtomica, 20 février 2012 - 08:34 .


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Play with your friends who don't cheat, problem solved.