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[Lotion Soronarr]

Doofe2012 wrote...

What are the huge ships in this picture, then?

Normandy SR12???

Is that image even official?

[geertmans]

Nashiktal wrote...

Marketing doesn't care about lore, so no reason to see it as dreads, or as a retcon.

Don't we hear Ashley/Kaidan screaming in the opening of the game/demo "they're gonna take out that dreadnought!" seconds before we see one blow up in the atmosphere?

[locowolfie]

They don't mean the ship blowing up as that clearly is a cruiser. I always took it as they(cruiser) are going to blow up the dreadnaught(reaper) it fixes the "oversight". Besides wich captain wouldn't try and blow up the big ship killing thousands of people.

[finc.loki]

Rodder01 wrote...

Maybe this will help. 

Blue = Normandy SR2

Red = Standard Alliance Cruiser

Purple = Dreadnought   (The Art of Mass Effect shows an image of these next to a standard Alliance Cruiser and they would seem to be about twice the size. So yes, I would call these Dreadnoughts)



i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x458/hotrodltz/AllianceForces.jpg

And yet, they all look the same size.
Normandy is like a dingy compared to what suppose to be massive ships.
In the pic you posted, the supposed dreadnoughts are about twice the size and that is it, hence it would be a huge perspective fail.
Take a look at Star Wars movies to get a sense of perspective in sizes.

[Wulfram]

TexasToast712 wrote...

*Facepalm* Nitpicking over stupid **** like this is why people make fun of nerds and sci-fi fans.

Well, those people clearly don't know how much fun it is so I'd ignore them.

[DWTHEBEST]

Rodder01 wrote...

Maybe this will help. 

Blue = Normandy SR2

Red = Standard Alliance Cruiser

Purple = Dreadnought   (The Art of Mass Effect shows an image of these next to a standard Alliance Cruiser and they would seem to be about twice the size. So yes, I would call these Dreadnoughts)



i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x458/hotrodltz/AllianceForces.jpg

see, dreadnought´s can enter the atmosfhere, and in the demo it was actualy a dreadnought, not a cruiser, idk why all these kids here talking bull****, about mass effect, in the charater forum is the same thing, its anoying, to read all these posts...

[finc.loki]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Rabbidsquirrel88 wrote...
Also, the larger ships basically are in a battle of heat buildup. You cannot dissipate heat in ~60 degree atmosphere as fast as sub-zero vaccum of space.
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:D:D:D:D:D:D

Other way around bub.
Vacuum = no medium to transer heat to. Which is why ships dissipate heat in atmosphere....in space, you can only radiate heat, and that isn't efficient.

Contrary to popular belief, space isn't really cold.

Is that so? So you don't think minus 270 celcius is cold? given the fact that ABSOLUTE ZERO is 273 minus celcius.
Sorry but space is basically as cold as it gets. Sure things can heat up in direct radiated sun light etc, but in dark space it's 270 C minus.
Whether it is efficient at heat dissipation might be another story, but I am addressing your misconception that space isn't cold.

[Gonder]

NewSoturi wrote...

Didn't we already see an Alliance Dreadnought in the demo?

This - A Dreadnought within an atmosphere is obviously not as impossible as everyone claims it to be.

[Bigaddygun]

I think those ships are cruisers. For starters a dreadnought cannot enter a planets atmosphere and the "dreadnought" in the demo is not a dreadnought it is a cruiser - Bioware have confirmed this already to be scripting mistake that is now too late to fix.

The other cruisers maybe from the Turians or another Citadel race - that is why they look different. You must also remember the Alliance is building new ship "classes" all the way through from Mass Effect 1 to Mass Effect 3 and therefore these cruisers look different from the ones in Mass Effect 1.

They are cruisers, possibly heavy cruisers, maybe large frigates but they are not dreadnoughts.

[freakton]

Bioware is really throwing its established lore out the window. 4 out of 8 alliance dreadnoughts flying in formation WITHIN the atmosphere? Seriously Bioware?

Also from the looks of it, Alliance dreadnoughts are no bigger than cruisers. Humans must be decades behind when alien races such as Asari and Geth could easily roll out dreadnoughts matching the size of Sovereign.
img193.imageshack.us/img193/2563/me3gethdreadnought.jpg
img14.imageshack.us/img14/6756/destinyascension.jpg

Modifié par freakton, 21 février 2012 - 01:27 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

As I said, you can only transfer heat trough contact wiht other matter.

Sapce is "cold" but heat/cold transer in space is exceptionally slow.
A hot object in space wouldn't cool off for days. Hence why you cannot cool ships off in space by using the "coldness" of space.

Also:

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 21 février 2012 - 12:36 .

[Draconis6666]

freakton wrote...

Bioware is really throwing its established lore out the window. 4 out of 8 alliance dreadnoughts flying in formation WITHIN the atmosphere? Seriously Bioware?

Also from the looks of it, Alliance dreadnoughts are no bigger than crusiers. Humans must be decades behind when alien races such as Asari and Geth could easily roll out dreadnoughts matching the size of Sovereign.
img193.imageshack.us/img193/2563/me3gethdreadnought.jpg
img14.imageshack.us/img14/6756/destinyascension.jpg

This is mostly true Everest class Dreadnaughts are 888m long less than half the length of Soverign. We do not know the size of the Kilamanjaro class Dreadnaughts. And while there are only actualy 3 Everest class Dreadnaughts that means nothing to CGI trailer creators who always take liberties with lore. However that in no way means that this is not still the model for the Everest class.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Klimanjaro is supposed to have side-mounted mass driver. Tons and tons of weaker ones. IT's supposed to be rather wide because of it.

so the image above is Either a Heavy Cruiser or an Everest class.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 21 février 2012 - 12:46 .

[Draconis6666]

Its also likely longer because of the additional width, which means that if the models int he trailer are dreadnaughts they are likely Everest class.

[Xarello111]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Klimanjaro is supposed to have side-mounted mass driver. Tons and tons of weaker ones. IT's supposed to be rather wide because of it.

so the image above is Either a Heavy Cruiser or an Everest class.

I think the above is an Everest class since the color scheme is the same and the only differences between the two are size, engines and the main gun... Futher more this is supposed to be the heavy cruiser design "http://i057.radikal.ru/1002/aa/4d9b251cc799.jpg".

[Darkov]

Aren't dreadnaughts supposed to be a mile long?

[Itkovian]

The size we see is no doubt a perspective issue. The dreadnaughts are further away than the cruisers, and the Normandy is in the foreground.

Those are definitely dreadnaughts, according to the posted pics from the art book. And it could simply be that dreadnaughts cannot land, but can enter the atmosphere.

Granted, I'd never want a dreadnaught shootout inside an atmosphere: their purpose is to fire relativistic kinetic energy projectiles: any shot they fire will cause 20 kiloton explosions. That is not pretty inside an atmosphere.

I'm hoping its simply a trailer issue, and we don't see dreadnaughts in the atmosphere in the game.

Incidentally, that's a cruiser in the intro mission, you can clearly see it is not the same ship as these... and a dev commented saying there was a goof-up in the script that was caught too late.

Itkovian

[Lotion Soronarr]

Xarello111 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Klimanjaro is supposed to have side-mounted mass driver. Tons and tons of weaker ones. IT's supposed to be rather wide because of it.

so the image above is Either a Heavy Cruiser or an Everest class.

I think the above is an Everest class since the color scheme is the same and the only differences between the two are size, engines and the main gun... Futher more this is supposed to be the heavy cruiser design "http://i057.radikal.ru/1002/aa/4d9b251cc799.jpg".

No way. It looks too small to be a cruiser. And there is no main gun.

[Xarello111]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Xarello111 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Klimanjaro is supposed to have side-mounted mass driver. Tons and tons of weaker ones. IT's supposed to be rather wide because of it.

so the image above is Either a Heavy Cruiser or an Everest class.

I think the above is an Everest class since the color scheme is the same and the only differences between the two are size, engines and the main gun... Futher more this is supposed to be the heavy cruiser design "http://i057.radikal.ru/1002/aa/4d9b251cc799.jpg".

No way. It looks too small to be a cruiser. And there is no main gun.

Well, since it's the only ship in the photo, we really don't know the size of it, since there is nothing to compare it with. Also it says "Heavy Cruiser" at the bottom right, and the pic is from the "Art of Mass Effect" where it says that it's a Heavy Cruiser, so my money is on it being a Heavy Cruiser.

As for weapons, I can see what you mean, but it's possible that the main gun works in a similar way to the Thanix on the Normandy in ME2, where it's hidden inside the ship and then "sprouts out" before firing.

Edit: I just noticed that there is what looks like a cockpit/bridge at the very front of the ship, and if it is, it looks to be rather big actually.

Modifié par Xarello111, 21 février 2012 - 03:57 .

[Baryonic_Member]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

As I said, you can only transfer heat trough contact wiht other matter.

Sapce is "cold" but heat/cold transer in space is exceptionally slow.
A hot object in space wouldn't cool off for days. Hence why you cannot cool ships off in space by using the "coldness" of space.

Nope. There are several ways for heat to disperse; the most common being conduction, radiation and convection.

[Captain Crash]

Seem a bit small to be Dreadnoughts to me. They are only double the size of a crusier

The ships in the Earth Alliance Lithograph seem much more fitting.

[jgordon11]

 

Go to 2:42-2:44 (not 2:45) the scene with the aerial view of the fleet. Those ships look at least 3 times bigger than the cruisers if not a little larger. The scene at 2:45 (front pic) is deceiving because the cruisers are in formation behind the dreadnoughts so make them look smaller.

Also in my opinion the alliance would be all about not making huge Destiny Ascension size dreadnoughts as would be in favor of smaller more flexible ships (use of carrier is a prime example).

EDIT: sorry about the wrong link

Modifié par jgordon11, 21 février 2012 - 04:56 .

[Xarello111]

jgordon11 wrote...



Go to 2:42-2:44 (not 2:45) the scene with the aerial view of the fleet. Those ships look at least 3 times bigger than the cruisers if not a little larger. The scene at 2:45 (front pic) is deceiving because the cruisers are in formation behind the dreadnoughts so make them look smaller.

Also in my opinion the alliance would be all about not making huge Destiny Ascension size dreadnoughts as would be in favor of smaller more flexible ships (use of carrier is a prime example).

Uhh, are you sure that it's the right link, all I get is some Wrex/Wreav dialouge (Which is pretty awesome ).

[Lotion Soronarr]

Xarello111 wrote...
Well, since it's the only ship in the photo, we really don't know the size of it, since there is nothing to compare it with.

The windows. That thing looks smaller than Normandy 1.