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[jgordon11]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

As I said, you can only transfer heat trough contact wiht other matter.

Sapce is "cold" but heat/cold transer in space is exceptionally slow.
A hot object in space wouldn't cool off for days. Hence why you cannot cool ships off in space by using the "coldness" of space.

Also:

Wow I just realized something sweet.   See the ship by the broken up ship, that appears to be the cruisers we've seen in ME1.  You can tell by the the nose protruding past its "wings".  The ship in the top right has its nose behind its wings, making me believe that is the "heavy cruiser".  Finally we have the ship about 2.5x the size of the heavy cruiser with its nose protruding again, which I believe has to be the dreadnought.

Now you may just say that this is all just concept art, but check out the extended take earth back trailer and go to 2:42 and watch up to 2:45.  The smaller ships all have noses that don't protrude past the wings meaning that they are probably the heavy cruisers in the concept art above and the especially large 4 ships are the dreadnoughts wihch are about 2.5x the size.  Finally at 2:45 the ships are surounded by hardly noticable smaller ships, which must be either frigates or.... (turian) cruisers!!!

I could completely be wrong, but from my perspective, the Alliance Navy is about to kick some ass with some major firepower and I now believe if a huge fleet of cruisers could take down a reaper that perhaps the combined might of the alliance navy could take down a few reapers if they were able to ambush them.

EDIT:
extended take back earth trailer link:
 

Modifié par jgordon11, 21 février 2012 - 04:57 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Baryonic_Member wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

As I said, you can only transfer heat trough contact wiht other matter.

Sapce is "cold" but heat/cold transer in space is exceptionally slow.
A hot object in space wouldn't cool off for days. Hence why you cannot cool ships off in space by using the "coldness" of space.

Nope. There are several ways for heat to disperse; the most common being conduction, radiation and convection.

I should have written "Effectively transfer".

Radiating works, but it's slow and oyu have to have huuuuuge, vulnerable radiators.

Venting coolant works to a point, but it requires you to carry a lot of it.

[Xarello111]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Xarello111 wrote...
Well, since it's the only ship in the photo, we really don't know the size of it, since there is nothing to compare it with.

The windows. That thing looks smaller than Normandy 1.

Edit: Well, the windows on the Normandy SR1 could simply be rather small, because IMO with you compare the Heavy Cruiser windows, with the windows on the SR2, the cruiser suddenly looks very big.

Modifié par Xarello111, 21 février 2012 - 05:31 .

[xIxDarkWolfxIx]

Okay even if they are Dreadnoughts. It still makes no sense for them to located there.
1. Tight formation is retarded when it comes to battle with something of that size and of that power.
2. Firing the main cannon in atmosphere would be devastating for everything!
3. The perpendicular decks which are designed for use in space would become useless due to gravity and artificial gravity conflicting with each other.

It is likely this was just for artistic purposes and that ME3 will actually be correct, if not then it doesn't follow any lore "rules".

EDIT: At very close examination, from the trailer. All perspectives show very little differences in size. They look like Heavy Cruisers if anything. Though I am sure we will find out more when we see the actualy game. 

Modifié par xIxDarkWolfxIx, 21 février 2012 - 05:57 .

[S.A.K]

None of those can be Dreadnoughts. They must be Cruisers and and heavy Cruisers. None of those ships are a kilometer long and all of those are very close in size. They can't be Carriers because they don't come this close to the battle themselves.

[effettomassa]

i was wondering about the alien ship at 2:44 of the extended trailer. There is no doubt they are turian ship...they are big as Normandy SR-2(that is bigger than an normal alliance frigate, like the Normandy SR-1, but not large as a cruiser), but in the battle of the citadel in ME1 is clearly shown that the turian ship of that shape are cruisers(it is said in ME2, when shepard said in the interview tha turian lost 20 cruiser with a crew of 300 people crew each one), so they have the same size of alliance cruiser(you can see it confronting them to sovereign). So, the turian ship in the trailer are turian frigates? The turian frigate have the same shape of turian cruiser but different size? I believe yes because in ME2 when you talking to Zaeed aboaut the turian ship model he said is a frigate, but the model of turian cruiser you can purchase in the citadel shop is IDENTICAL.
So...bioware lack of imagination? They prefer to spend theyr time making useless clothes DLC than create new ship design?

Forgive my bad english, anyway :-)

[SandTrout]

the red-circles look to be about the size of the SR2, meaning that they're probably frigates as well, not cruisers, which means the presumptive Dreadnoughts are more likely cruisers.

[effettomassa]

purple are carrier or dreadnought, red are cruisers. Do you know that exist something called prospective?

[didymos1120]

effettomassa wrote...

purple are carrier or dreadnought, red are cruisers. Do you know that exist something called prospective?

Perspective. 

[effettomassa]

didymos1120 wrote...

effettomassa wrote...

purple are carrier or dreadnought, red are cruisers. Do you know that exist something called prospective?

Perspective. 

 ENGLISH...IT WILL KILL ME

[Bigaddygun]

 I posted this in another thread but doesn't the ship circled here look a lot like the cruiser from previous game as well as the demo. I missed this a couple of times now.... but

i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o526/adammikejones/Dreadnought.jpg

Look at its profile, and notice the red markings (definitly not blue markings anyway) (the main gun is hiding the other wing).

This means that the two larger ships in the Art Book must be Everest class and Kilimanjaro class Dreadnoughts.


Therefore those are dreadnoughts in the video. 

The Art Book is showing the ships in proportion to the size of the other ships in the Alliance Navy. Also any spaceship (as far as we know) can enter an atomsphere, its just that some, if not most cannot land. 

I could also go as far as saying that the flatter ships in the Art Book could be carriers especially the larger of them.

The guy above ^^^^^^^^ has got it aswell. 

Modifié par Bigaddygun, 21 février 2012 - 06:41 .

[hectorkbrn]

jgordon11 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

As I said, you can only transfer heat trough contact wiht other matter.

Sapce is "cold" but heat/cold transer in space is exceptionally slow.
A hot object in space wouldn't cool off for days. Hence why you cannot cool ships off in space by using the "coldness" of space.

Also:

Wow I just realized something sweet.   See the ship by the broken up ship, that appears to be the cruisers we've seen in ME1.  You can tell by the the nose protruding past its "wings".  The ship in the top right has its nose behind its wings, making me believe that is the "heavy cruiser".  Finally we have the ship about 2.5x the size of the heavy cruiser with its nose protruding again, which I believe has to be the dreadnought.

Now you may just say that this is all just concept art, but check out the extended take earth back trailer and go to 2:42 and watch up to 2:45.  The smaller ships all have noses that don't protrude past the wings meaning that they are probably the heavy cruisers in the concept art above and the especially large 4 ships are the dreadnoughts wihch are about 2.5x the size.  Finally at 2:45 the ships are surounded by hardly noticable smaller ships, which must be either frigates or.... (turian) cruisers!!!

I could completely be wrong, but from my perspective, the Alliance Navy is about to kick some ass with some major firepower and I now believe if a huge fleet of cruisers could take down a reaper that perhaps the combined might of the alliance navy could take down a few reapers if they were able to ambush them.

EDIT:
extended take back earth trailer link:
 

This. I think you got it.

[The_Monk_Key]

Does anyone know the approximate scale between a Turian cruiser and an Alliance cruiser? It seemed really silly in the CGI trailer to have the Turian cruisers no bigger than the Normandy (Alliance frigate)

[effettomassa]

Bigaddygun wrote...

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Therefore those are dreadnoughts in the video. 

The Art Book is showing the ships in proportion to the size of the other ships in the Alliance Navy. Also any spaceship (as far as we know) can enter an atomsphere, its just that some, if not most cannot land. 

yeeeeees....so....also the gunship is bigger than a cruiser? i think that in the photo we have three different proportions.

[Bigaddygun]

hectorkbrn wrote...

jgordon11 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

As I said, you can only transfer heat trough contact wiht other matter.

Sapce is "cold" but heat/cold transer in space is exceptionally slow.
A hot object in space wouldn't cool off for days. Hence why you cannot cool ships off in space by using the "coldness" of space.

Also:

Wow I just realized something sweet.   See the ship by the broken up ship, that appears to be the cruisers we've seen in ME1.  You can tell by the the nose protruding past its "wings".  The ship in the top right has its nose behind its wings, making me believe that is the "heavy cruiser".  Finally we have the ship about 2.5x the size of the heavy cruiser with its nose protruding again, which I believe has to be the dreadnought.

Now you may just say that this is all just concept art, but check out the extended take earth back trailer and go to 2:42 and watch up to 2:45.  The smaller ships all have noses that don't protrude past the wings meaning that they are probably the heavy cruisers in the concept art above and the especially large 4 ships are the dreadnoughts wihch are about 2.5x the size.  Finally at 2:45 the ships are surounded by hardly noticable smaller ships, which must be either frigates or.... (turian) cruisers!!!

I could completely be wrong, but from my perspective, the Alliance Navy is about to kick some ass with some major firepower and I now believe if a huge fleet of cruisers could take down a reaper that perhaps the combined might of the alliance navy could take down a few reapers if they were able to ambush them.

EDIT:
extended take back earth trailer link:
 

This. I think you got it.

I agree with you, if you look at my post 

Although I'm more inclined that the smaller ship of the larger ships is actually an Everest class Dreadnought. This is because the Everest is older and therefore at that time of building the Alliance didn't have the know how on how to build larger ships. Therefore explaining the quite drastic increase in dreadnought size. 

If that smaller of the larger ships was a heavy cruiser then it would be really heavy in comparsion to its normal sized cousin.

But yes that is definitely right with the other cruiser. 

[Draconis6666]

Those were turian Frigates not cruisers, also the Dreadnaughts do not have to be 1km long because the smallest class of Alliance dreadnaughts are not 1km they are only 888m

[Bigaddygun]

effettomassa wrote...

Bigaddygun wrote...

[/u]

Therefore those are dreadnoughts in the video. 

The Art Book is showing the ships in proportion to the size of the other ships in the Alliance Navy. Also any spaceship (as far as we know) can enter an atomsphere, its just that some, if not most cannot land. 

yeeeeees....so....also the gunship is bigger than a cruiser? i think that in the photo we have three different proportions.

No that is another proportion lol, the gunships appear in the demo or trailer and they are clearly smaller. 

[Draconis6666]

Bigaddygun wrote...

I agree with you, if you look at my post 

Although I'm more inclined that the smaller ship of the larger ships is actually an Everest class Dreadnought. This is because the Everest is older and therefore at that time of building the Alliance didn't have the know how on how to build larger ships. Therefore explaining the quite drastic increase in dreadnought size. 

If that smaller of the larger ships was a heavy cruiser then it would be really heavy in comparsion to its normal sized cousin.

But yes that is definitely right with the other cruiser. 

Well if thats true then the entire fleet is probably dreadnaughts.

[Bigaddygun]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Bigaddygun wrote...

I agree with you, if you look at my post 

Although I'm more inclined that the smaller ship of the larger ships is actually an Everest class Dreadnought. This is because the Everest is older and therefore at that time of building the Alliance didn't have the know how on how to build larger ships. Therefore explaining the quite drastic increase in dreadnought size. 

If that smaller of the larger ships was a heavy cruiser then it would be really heavy in comparsion to its normal sized cousin.

But yes that is definitely right with the other cruiser. 

Well if thats true then the entire fleet is probably dreadnaughts.

I think the only problem is the Alliance only had 8 dreadnoughts through ME1 and we don't know how many more were built. 

Also we have got to take into account the fact that the trailer is for dramatic effect and therefore is over exaggerating.  Or the people who were asked to create the trailer were only given the dreadnought design of the Alliance and therefore couldn't put in other species dreadnoughts which in reality take the place of most of those Alliance ones. 

Modifié par Bigaddygun, 21 février 2012 - 06:51 .

[effettomassa]

Bigaddygun wrote...

effettomassa wrote...

Bigaddygun wrote...

[/u]

Therefore those are dreadnoughts in the video. 

The Art Book is showing the ships in proportion to the size of the other ships in the Alliance Navy. Also any spaceship (as far as we know) can enter an atomsphere, its just that some, if not most cannot land. 

yeeeeees....so....also the gunship is bigger than a cruiser? i think that in the photo we have three different proportions.

No that is another proportion lol, the gunships appear in the demo or trailer and they are clearly smaller. 

my comment is IRONIC  LOL ( i said there are 3 proportions: the gunship, the two bigger ships and the others 9)

I think that Bioware wanted to "refresh" the design of Alliance ship(also the fighters look different from those of ME1 and 2) so i think that this is the new cruiser design.
It can't be as you say, a cruiser is 380-400 meters long(based on comparison to normandy size), so the 2 bigger ships are respectively 2,4 km long and 3,6 km long? I don't think so ....

[Draconis6666]

Bigaddygun wrote...


I think the only problem is the Alliance only had 8 dreadnoughts through ME1 and we don't know how many more were built. 

Also we have got to take into account the fact that the trailer is for dramatic effect and therefore is over exaggerating.  Or the people who were asked to create the trailer were only given the dreadnought design of the Alliance and therefore couldn't put in other species dreadnoughts which in reality take the place of most of those Alliance ones. 

The number of dreadnaught s the Alliance actualy has doesnt matter to CGI trailer creators, Lelliana cant do backflips off of pillars. Sten doesnt have a beard, Grunt doesnt get swallowed by a thresher maw and kill it from the inside. CGI trailers dont care about lore or what is actual in game, that doesnt mean that all of those are not still Dreadnaught models which actually seems likely if taken in the context that the ships in the art book are both dreadnaughts.


Also the largest of those ships in the small cluster of ships kind of looks like the Elbrus from the Invasion comics

Modifié par Draconis6666, 21 février 2012 - 07:09 .

[Draconis6666]

effettomassa wrote...

Bigaddygun wrote...

effettomassa wrote...

Bigaddygun wrote...

[/u]

Therefore those are dreadnoughts in the video. 

The Art Book is showing the ships in proportion to the size of the other ships in the Alliance Navy. Also any spaceship (as far as we know) can enter an atomsphere, its just that some, if not most cannot land. 

yeeeeees....so....also the gunship is bigger than a cruiser? i think that in the photo we have three different proportions.

No that is another proportion lol, the gunships appear in the demo or trailer and they are clearly smaller. 

my comment is IRONIC  LOL ( i said there are 3 proportions: the gunship, the two bigger ships and the others 9)

I think that Bioware wanted to "refresh" the design of Alliance ship(also the fighters look different from those of ME1 and 2) so i think that this is the new cruiser design.
It can't be as you say, a cruiser is 380-400 meters long(based on comparison to normandy size), so the 2 bigger ships are respectively 2,4 km long and 3,6 km long? I don't think so ....

Fighters look almost exactly the same as ME 1 they just have more detail.

[CerberusSoldier]

so I am not impressed at all

[JaegerBane]

I really like the design of the Alliance Interceptors.

And its nice to see the Mako and the Hammerhead wtpwning side by side