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[hawkens982]

Rodder01 wrote...

Maybe this will help. 

Blue = Normandy SR2

Red = Standard Alliance Cruiser

Purple = Dreadnought   (The Art of Mass Effect shows an image of these next to a standard Alliance Cruiser and they would seem to be about twice the size. So yes, I would call these Dreadnoughts)



i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x458/hotrodltz/AllianceForces.jpg

Doesn't look like dreadnaughts, looks like cruisers that are a bit further back in the formation.

[Draconis6666]

The lack of distance fading on the center red ship makes it very likely that it is at least relatively close to the same distance away as the purple ship next to it and the purple ship is quite a bit larger. Also as has been noted the central protrusion on Alliance cruisers extends past the wings, meaning that the ships that look similar to what we know of as alliance cruisers are either a redesigned cruiser, a new model of cruiser or not even cruisers

[Draconis6666]

Another thing to note is that in the overhead shot the Normandy SR-2 is of similar or smaller scale to the ships below it as the Normandy SR-1 is at the battle of the citadel when right next to Alliance Cruisers. Considering that not only are the ships in the trailer probably farther away then the cruisers in the battle of the citadel are but the Normandy SR-2 is stated to be nearly twice the size of the original which would mean that the ships are either larger than cruisers or that the size of cruisers was retcon increasesd.

Modifié par Draconis6666, 21 février 2012 - 07:31 .

[Bigaddygun]

Draconis6666 wrote...

effettomassa wrote...

Bigaddygun wrote...

effettomassa wrote...

Bigaddygun wrote...

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Therefore those are dreadnoughts in the video. 

The Art Book is showing the ships in proportion to the size of the other ships in the Alliance Navy. Also any spaceship (as far as we know) can enter an atomsphere, its just that some, if not most cannot land. 

yeeeeees....so....also the gunship is bigger than a cruiser? i think that in the photo we have three different proportions.

No that is another proportion lol, the gunships appear in the demo or trailer and they are clearly smaller. 

my comment is IRONIC  LOL ( i said there are 3 proportions: the gunship, the two bigger ships and the others 9)

I think that Bioware wanted to "refresh" the design of Alliance ship(also the fighters look different from those of ME1 and 2) so i think that this is the new cruiser design.
It can't be as you say, a cruiser is 380-400 meters long(based on comparison to normandy size), so the 2 bigger ships are respectively 2,4 km long and 3,6 km long? I don't think so ....

Fighters look almost exactly the same as ME 1 they just have more detail.

Well the dreadnoughts are very big, exact sizes we dont know, but the shape of that ship in top left is the cruiser from previous games. Who's knows those images may not be to scale or proportion but that ship in the top left is the cruiser.  The smaller of the larger ships could be a new cruiser but it is more likely to be the older dreadnought of the alliance due the two larger ships sharing more in common in terms of design than the crusier in top left. 

In the Codex there are FIGHTERS and INTERCEPTORS, I think what we see in the trailer is the interceptors which we haven't seen before. 

Also a theory on the colours of the ships. Red might be a special designation like the SR-1 in ME1 and the N7 logo. The cruisers in ME1 also have red stripes most probably due being part of the combined Citadel forces. 

The blue colour is probably for Earth and the fleets that go with it. 

[Bigaddygun]

Damn what if those ships were just all new cruisers? So many what if's we might as well wait till the games before deciding.

[effettomassa]

Bigaddygun wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

effettomassa wrote...

Bigaddygun wrote...

effettomassa wrote...

Bigaddygun wrote...

[/u]

Therefore those are dreadnoughts in the video. 

The Art Book is showing the ships in proportion to the size of the other ships in the Alliance Navy. Also any spaceship (as far as we know) can enter an atomsphere, its just that some, if not most cannot land. 

yeeeeees....so....also the gunship is bigger than a cruiser? i think that in the photo we have three different proportions.

No that is another proportion lol, the gunships appear in the demo or trailer and they are clearly smaller. 

my comment is IRONIC  LOL ( i said there are 3 proportions: the gunship, the two bigger ships and the others 9)

I think that Bioware wanted to "refresh" the design of Alliance ship(also the fighters look different from those of ME1 and 2) so i think that this is the new cruiser design.
It can't be as you say, a cruiser is 380-400 meters long(based on comparison to normandy size), so the 2 bigger ships are respectively 2,4 km long and 3,6 km long? I don't think so ....

Fighters look almost exactly the same as ME 1 they just have more detail.

Well the dreadnoughts are very big, exact sizes we dont know, but the shape of that ship in top left is the cruiser from previous games. Who's knows those images may not be to scale or proportion but that ship in the top left is the cruiser.  The smaller of the larger ships could be a new cruiser but it is more likely to be the older dreadnought of the alliance due the two larger ships sharing more in common in terms of design than the crusier in top left. 

In the Codex there are FIGHTERS and INTERCEPTORS, I think what we see in the trailer is the interceptors which we haven't seen before. 

Also a theory on the colours of the ships. Red might be a special designation like the SR-1 in ME1 and the N7 logo. The cruisers in ME1 also have red stripes most probably due being part of the combined Citadel forces. 

The blue colour is probably for Earth and the fleets that go with it. 

in the intro of ME3 demo(when the shuttle enter atmosphere) you can see at least 20-25 ship identical to the smaller of the largest ships. As far as we know, ther are only 8 dreadnought (and please don't tell me craps like "but in 6 month the alliance could have made 20 dreadnought). Also, bioware said that the ship destroyed by the reaper during the first part of the demo is a cruiser(ashely/kaidan call it dreadnought, but bioware explain that is a lore error and is to late to correct it), and that ship is identical to the smaller of the largest ship. So....

[locowolfie]

I'll say it again not wanting them to be dreadnaught will not magicly not make it so. I feel that besides bioware comming here and saying they are dreadnaughts. Enough evidence has been produced to say these a dreadnaughts. While all naysayers have provided is ecuivalent to a child stomping its feet.

Just my 2 cents

[Juha81FIN]

I am not going to let one trailer with load of nonsense to limit my gamefun.

[Lotion Soronarr]

jgordon11 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Wow I just realized something sweet.   See the ship by the broken up ship, that appears to be the cruisers we've seen in ME1.  You can tell by the the nose protruding past its "wings".  The ship in the top right has its nose behind its wings, making me believe that is the "heavy cruiser".  Finally we have the ship about 2.5x the size of the heavy cruiser with its nose protruding again, which I believe has to be the dreadnought.

Now you may just say that this is all just concept art, but check out the extended take earth back trailer and go to 2:42 and watch up to 2:45.  The smaller ships all have noses that don't protrude past the wings meaning that they are probably the heavy cruisers in the concept art above and the especially large 4 ships are the dreadnoughts wihch are about 2.5x the size.  Finally at 2:45 the ships are surounded by hardly noticable smaller ships, which must be either frigates or.... (turian) cruisers!!!

Possiblities:

Small ship next to the broken one - frigate or cruiser
Bigger, similar looking ship - cruiser, heavy cruiser or DN
Biggest ship - DN or carrier

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 22 février 2012 - 08:21 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Bigaddygun wrote...
i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o526/adammikejones/Dreadnought.jpg

Look at its profile, and notice the red markings (definitly not blue markings anyway) (the main gun is hiding the other wing).

This means that the two larger ships in the Art Book must be Everest class and Kilimanjaro class Dreadnoughts.

But the Kilmanjaro doesnt' have a massive fronatal gun. It has 144 broadside mass drivers.

[finc.loki]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

As I said, you can only transfer heat trough contact wiht other matter.

Sapce is "cold" but heat/cold transer in space is exceptionally slow.
A hot object in space wouldn't cool off for days. Hence why you cannot cool ships off in space by using the "coldness" of space.

Also:

As I said, I was only making a remark that space IS cold.
Since heat dissipation would be slow due to no convection and substance that aid in the freezing/dissipation of heat, I wonder would you actually FEEL cold in space?
You're more likely to die from sun-burn and over-heating in space if exposed to pure sunlight, kind of ironic in 270 minus..This would be due to no way to dissipate the heat.
Of course the vaccum itself is what would kill a person in space first, and by that it is actually the lack of oxygen, and not "explosive decompression" which is not how it is in movies when they explode. 

Still I really do wonder if you could honestly feel the coldness of space since it doesn't have fluid/air or other type of contact to tranfer the cold into you. I guess no one knows cause no one (as far as I know) hasn't been exposed to pure space?

Modifié par finc.loki, 22 février 2012 - 10:29 .

[Wulfram]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

But the Kilmanjaro doesnt' have a massive fronatal gun. It has 144 broadside mass drivers.

Where are people getting this from, by the way? 

And why wouldn't it have an axial gun too?  Without it, any sane opposing commander would surely just try to stay at a safe range and pummel him.

[karlpopper]

it would help if bioware actually confirmed what all the ships look like

[Crimson-Engage]

I'v come to the conclusion no one in this thread knows wtf they are talking about. And second, WHO CARES?

[locowolfie]

I went back and all I can find in the codex is that dreadnaughts can't land. And they are forbidden to fire there main guns at/in direction of garden plants.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Wulfram wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

But the Kilmanjaro doesnt' have a massive fronatal gun. It has 144 broadside mass drivers.

Where are people getting this from, by the way? 

And why wouldn't it have an axial gun too?  Without it, any sane opposing commander would surely just try to stay at a safe range and pummel him.

From the Wiki:

The Kilimanjaro class is armed with 156 broadside mass accelerator
cannons, 78 on each side. The broadside guns are each as long as 40% of
the ship's width.

[FREE-LANCE]

You know I would really like to see full 3d models of the entire fleet with size charts.