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[Eludajae]

Probably just a cutaway this time...the scenes are getting less and less so don't worry your pretty little head over it. Bioware lost its balls when they got all that free air time advertisement over ME 1's lesbian love scene which was amazing, and tastefully done. But apparently they listen to old men behind a mic that will never buy their product in the first place, and not their loyal customers these days.

[draken-heart]

i just do not get it. i honestly believe anyone who demands sex scenes in a romance that is in a video game is an immature teenager who thinks romance is all about sex, which it is not. romance is about spending time with the one you love, which is emotional as well as physical, sex is more of a physical act which you can get from prostitutes in DA series and the real world.

[Random citizen]

Eludajae wrote...

Probably just a cutaway this time...the scenes are getting less and less so don't worry your pretty little head over it. Bioware lost its balls when they got all that free air time advertisement over ME 1's lesbian love scene which was amazing, and tastefully done. But apparently they listen to old men behind a mic that will never buy their product in the first place, and not their loyal customers these days.

..and those old men behind the mic probably say one thing and do something else entirely when no one is looking anyway. I am all for some measure of hypocrisy if it serves a good purpose or survival, but what some people do is just beyond contempt.

Basically, different "modes" of gaming experience would be good. Dont want nudity when it makes sense? Use censored mode. In a perfect world they could have  1 no blood, 2 no nudity, 3 no blood or nudity mode/versions of the game.

Modifié par Random citizen, 21 février 2012 - 05:27 .

[Eire Icon]

Eludajae wrote...

Probably just a cutaway this time...the scenes are getting less and less so don't worry your pretty little head over it. Bioware lost its balls when they got all that free air time advertisement over ME 1's lesbian love scene which was amazing, and tastefully done. But apparently they listen to old men behind a mic that will never buy their product in the first place, and not their loyal customers these days.

And this is what annoys me. In Ireland (where I'm from) ME2 is rated as PEGI 18. I would imagine this is due to the violence as opposed to seeing a couple of seconds of Miranda Lawsons bra.

To the people labelling this as "Porn"

Its not porn to suggest that it is is completely inaccurate.This is a game for adults for crying out loud, if you don't like the scenes then press "x" and they will cut off, There is nothing dirty, smutty or wrong about the human body and reproduction. Anyone taking issue with a graphic displaying some underwear and cleavage on a game for adults needs to realise that the problem is not with the game but with them

[Random citizen]

draken-heart wrote...

i just do not get it. i honestly believe anyone who demands sex scenes in a romance that is in a video game is an immature teenager who thinks romance is all about sex, which it is not. romance is about spending time with the one you love, which is emotional as well as physical, sex is more of a physical act which you can get from prostitutes in DA series and the real world.

Then you need to try and let go of your preconceptions, sit down and think things through, for this must be one of the strangest things I have read in this forum.

Ask yourself: Why do you think people feels that sex is important in a romatic relationship? What is the difference between romantic sex built on mutual atraction and paying a prostitute?

[Eire Icon]

Mass Effect 2

Platform: Windows PC, PlayStation 3, Xbox 360

Rating: Mature

Content descriptors: Blood, Drug Reference, Sexual Content, Strong Language, Violence

Mass Effect 2 clearly states it has mature content. To those that are not a fan of this kind of thing I would say this:

,If you don't like mature content, are offended by it, or think its corrupting the world in general then don't buy it and don't play it. Its really very simple. Just don't start moaning and try and inflict your own views on other people who do.

[Nathan Redgrave]

draken-heart wrote...

i just do not get it. i honestly believe anyone who demands sex scenes in a romance that is in a video game is an immature teenager who thinks romance is all about sex, which it is not. romance is about spending time with the one you love, which is emotional as well as physical, sex is more of a physical act which you can get from prostitutes in DA series and the real world.

Now you're trying to fit it all into some black-and-white perception of people who like sex scenes in their romances vs. people who don't.

A sex scene in the context of an emotionally-driven romance benefits from the emotion behind it nearly as much as actual sex benefits from the emotions invested in actual romance. Sure, in both videogames and in Realityland, you can buy sex from prostitutes and the like, but in both of those cases they lack the emotional context.

And without the emotional context the videogame sex loses quite a lot of its punch, never mind that the prostitution in Dragon Age is unaccompanied by any actual sex scene.

[draken-heart]

Random citizen wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

i just do not get it. i honestly believe anyone who demands sex scenes in a romance that is in a video game is an immature teenager who thinks romance is all about sex, which it is not. romance is about spending time with the one you love, which is emotional as well as physical, sex is more of a physical act which you can get from prostitutes in DA series and the real world.

Then you need to try and let go of your preconceptions, sit down and think things through, for this must be one of the strangest things I have read in this forum.

Ask yourself: Why do you think people feels that sex is important in a romatic relationship? What is the difference between romantic sex built on mutual atraction and paying a prostitute?

i was saying that although sex is important, it means nothing without the emotional attachment to the other person.

in other words sex is not the most important thing in a romance, that is the emotional bond that is formed during or even before the romance, when the people in question are friends.

[Nathan Redgrave]

draken-heart wrote...

i was saying that although sex is important, it means nothing without the emotional attachment to the other person.

in other words sex is not the most important thing in a romance, that is the emotional bond that is formed during or even before the romance, when the people in question are friends.

While this is true, it doesn't say anything one way or another about sex scenes in videogame romances.

[draken-heart]

here we go:

People who want sex scenes in= "this part of the romance is REEEAAAALLLLY important, it needs to be in."

me= "there really is no need for a sex scene to show that Shepard and LI really do love each other."

(bold is my personal opinion on the deal with sex scene in video games. sure it can be helpful to make a point, but it is not needed to get the point across.)

Modifié par draken-heart, 21 février 2012 - 05:52 .

[Eire Icon]

draken-heart wrote...

i was saying that although sex is important, it means nothing without the emotional attachment to the other person.

in other words sex is not the most important thing in a romance, that is the emotional bond that is formed during or even before the romance, when the people in question are friends.

This is your opinion and your representing it as fact. Whose to say that Miranda Lawson (just taking her as an example) wants to form a relationship and enter into a romance with Shepard? She may not, maybe she may just wants to get laid in what is an emotionally charged situation at the time.

These are characters with their own distinct personalities and motives in a game for adults. Whether or not you want to see that type of thing in a game or not is another story, maybe so, maybe not but within the game itself you can make those decisions. You can also press a button that cuts the scene. That does not mean that everyone shares your opinion.

What annoys me about this thread is the veiled suggestion that the scenes are somehow wrong, or pornagraphic which is completely inaccurate

[Nathan Redgrave]

draken-heart wrote...

here we go:

People who want sex scenes in= "this part of the romance is REEEAAAALLLLY important, it needs to be in."

me= "there really is no need for a sex scene to show that Shepard and LI really do love each other."

Maybe there's not, but it's a step all romantic relationships eventually take, so putting it in there somewhere in-game allows the relationship to progress further than talk. Mind you, in ME this progression occurs far from naturally; you have a few conversations and then your LI knocks on your bedroom door just before the life-or-death mission. Way too step-by-step, really... 

[draken-heart]

@eire icon: my post right above yours is my point, that sex scenes are not need if the romances are done in a way that shows that Shepard/Hawke/the warden/ whoever the Main character is loves their LI and that person love him/her.

maybe the way i presented it was bad, but i was not stating anything as fact as i did not put any sources proving it.

Modifié par draken-heart, 21 février 2012 - 05:58 .

[Nathan Redgrave]

Eire Icon wrote...

What annoys me about this thread is the veiled suggestion that the scenes are somehow wrong, or pornagraphic which is completely inaccurate

It's not "veiled" if it's blatantly spelled-out, Eire.

[WizenSlinky0]

draken-heart wrote...

@eire icon: my post right above yours is my point, that sex scenes are not need if the romances are done in a way that shows that Shepard/Hawke/the warden/ whoever the Main character is loves their LI and that person love him/her.

And I'd argue they are neccessary for characterization purposes. Several characters show sides of themselves you'd never get to see in the romantic talk. Those scenes are amazing windows deeper into their personalities and how they respond to situations.

[Random citizen]

draken-heart wrote...

Random citizen wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

i just do not get it. i honestly believe anyone who demands sex scenes in a romance that is in a video game is an immature teenager who thinks romance is all about sex, which it is not. romance is about spending time with the one you love, which is emotional as well as physical, sex is more of a physical act which you can get from prostitutes in DA series and the real world.

Then you need to try and let go of your preconceptions, sit down and think things through, for this must be one of the strangest things I have read in this forum.

Ask yourself: Why do you think people feels that sex is important in a romatic relationship? What is the difference between romantic sex built on mutual atraction and paying a prostitute?

i was saying that although sex is important, it means nothing without the emotional attachment to the other person.

in other words sex is not the most important thing in a romance, that is the emotional bond that is formed during or even before the romance, when the people in question are friends.

Well, that depends what you mean with "means nothing". While I agree that most people, if having to choose between "1 good sex with love" and "2 good casual sex" most people would choose 1.

"It was just sex, it meant nothing" is just an excuse telling the supposedly cheated on partner that you dont want to loose her or him just because you had sex with someone else that you do not love. But if you are having good sex, it makes you feel good, and that does mean something regardless of any emotional bond.

I would say that sex is one of the supporting pillars in any functional romantic relation among people with sex-drive. So while it is not the most important thing, its importance is second to none.

Modifié par Random citizen, 21 février 2012 - 06:07 .

[Darth Asriel]

1) not even in the loosest of definitions do the love scenes in either game qualify as porn. To suggest otherwise means you need to brush up on the English language.
2) many great works of art contain nudity, the roof of the Sistine Chapel, Michaelangelo's David, the Venus de Milo, many ancient Greek and Roman frescos and urns. This idea that the human body is something to be ashamed of is odd and a relatively new one.
3) sex is normal. It is normal for 2 adults who like each other or are attracted to one another to have sex. People can engage in sexual activity of a myriad of reasons. Love doesn't always have to be involved. A healthy attitude towards sex is a good thing.
4) BW scenes are far more tame than most of what is on primetime tv, andfar more tasteful.

[Collider]

I prefer scenes like Jack, Tali, Garrus, and Thane to generic sex animations.
It's a given that these romances end in sex (Jack later rather than then, maybe), I don't need to be shown copy and paste animations to know this.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Darth Asriel wrote...

andfar more tasteful.

Well, most of the time, anyway. A few of the scenes are outright trashy, albeit purposely so. Not all romance consummates itself to a backdrop of flowers and incense, after all.

[Random citizen]

draken-heart wrote...

@eire icon: my post right above yours is my point, that sex scenes are not need if the romances are done in a way that shows that Shepard/Hawke/the warden/ whoever the Main character is loves their LI and that person love him/her.

maybe the way i presented it was bad, but i was not stating anything as fact as i did not put any sources proving it.

But its not just about signifing two chatacters being in love. Its about signifing sexuality and stimmulating responce.
Depicturing things that stimmulates emotional and intellectual response is what storytelling and gaming is all about.

[Eire Icon]

draken-heart wrote...

@eire icon: my post right above yours is my point, that sex scenes are not need if the romances are done in a way that shows that Shepard/Hawke/the warden/ whoever the Main character is loves their LI and that person love him/her.

maybe the way i presented it was bad, but i was not stating anything as fact as i did not put any sources proving it.

ultimately sex is the physical expression of love (that does not mean its its only purpose)

While I would agree that sex scenes are not always needed to highlight a romantic bond between characters, I would also argue that sex scenes are not always not needed  to highlight a romantic bond also

My point is that there is absolutely no reason to avoid them on a video game for adults

Modifié par Eire Icon, 21 février 2012 - 06:15 .

[Random citizen]

Darth Asriel wrote...

1) not even in the loosest of definitions do the love scenes in either game qualify as porn. To suggest otherwise means you need to brush up on the English language.
2) many great works of art contain nudity, the roof of the Sistine Chapel, Michaelangelo's David, the Venus de Milo, many ancient Greek and Roman frescos and urns. This idea that the human body is something to be ashamed of is odd and a relatively new one.
3) sex is normal. It is normal for 2 adults who like each other or are attracted to one another to have sex. People can engage in sexual activity of a myriad of reasons. Love doesn't always have to be involved. A healthy attitude towards sex is a good thing.
4) BW scenes are far more tame than most of what is on primetime tv, andfar more tasteful.

Just dont confuse sex with nudity in general. I know it often ends up such in cultures where people are encuraged to hide their bodies. I guess its one of the side-effects of leaving too much to the imagination.

[Random citizen]

Eire Icon wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

@eire icon: my post right above yours is my point, that sex scenes are not need if the romances are done in a way that shows that Shepard/Hawke/the warden/ whoever the Main character is loves their LI and that person love him/her.

maybe the way i presented it was bad, but i was not stating anything as fact as i did not put any sources proving it.

ultimately sex is the physical expression of love

While I would agree that sex scenes are not always needed to highlight a romantic bond between characters, I would also argue that sex scenes are not always not needed  to highlight a romantic bond also

My point is that there is absolutely no reason to avoid them on a video game for adults

What do you mean "love"? Sex is the expression of sexual desire. Love just often saturates that with its rich flavour.

[Eire Icon]

Random citizen wrote...

Eire Icon wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

@eire icon: my post right above yours is my point, that sex scenes are not need if the romances are done in a way that shows that Shepard/Hawke/the warden/ whoever the Main character is loves their LI and that person love him/her.

maybe the way i presented it was bad, but i was not stating anything as fact as i did not put any sources proving it.

ultimately sex is the physical expression of love

While I would agree that sex scenes are not always needed to highlight a romantic bond between characters, I would also argue that sex scenes are not always not needed  to highlight a romantic bond also

My point is that there is absolutely no reason to avoid them on a video game for adults

What do you mean "love"? Sex is the expression of sexual desire. Love just often saturates that with its rich flavour.

What I meant was this (edited the post):

ultimately sex is the physical expression of love (that does not mean its its only purpose)

[Razgaros]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

http://www.nerfnow.com/comic/image/481

Now this I think is pretty pathetic. I don't think the scandal for the first ME caused any problem sells wise, hell I personally belive it's free publicity. But ok, let's say it has some bad impact that we don't know about or whatever. Dragon age cutscenes where decent, no one really said anything wrong about them, I personnaly liked them better than ME 1, even though they had they underwear on.  I can understand me 2 ones to be very prude to avoid further bad publicity, that is if there a logic sales wise behind that, not just "oh fox news is attacking us, we should just back down". Then Da2 came out and i was expecting cutscene to be back at DAO level. They where not. Why the **** did this happened? Has it been stated anywhere or did bioware just dropped their balls?