285 réponses à ce sujet

[Darth Asriel]

@Random Citizen- I agree with you. Excusing the Sistine Chapel example the others do not shy away from the sexual implications of the artist's choice. Especially the Greek and Roman works. Sex was at the very core of their mythology. Zeus slept with everyone in many different forms.

[Tyrannotaur]

 I haven't read any of this post except for the first post. I believe these "porno scenes" are used to show the romance coming to fruition at a time when both people are unsure of their fate (going to fight soverign or the suicide mission). This is a common thing in movies. I can see how you may not expect to see it in a video game, but the game is rated M. Sure romance isn't about sex, its about two people loving each other, but I think the situation the characters are in calls for them expressing their love in the manner they did.  If seeing the act makes you uncomfortable then I believe there is an option to skip it. Bioware has since toned down the sex scenes to more dry humping. You'd find more risque scenes if you watched a TV show on the CW or ABC. You are free to dislike the scenes, just don't be surprised when you play ME3 and they are still in there. They've become a staple of sorts. They are really tame compaired to other games (Witcher 2 for example). 

[Seishoujyo]

The sequences should the like the one in Farenheit or The Witcher 2, it's not porn but it's hot and cool to see.

But hey USA, nudity, Bioware OMG, well, well, Bioware are really too soft. Do the thing right or do nothing.

[aries1001]

From the PEGI site:

http://www.pegi.info...ing=Mass Effect

And a quote:

The content of this game is suitable for persons aged 18 years and over only.
It contains: Extreme violence - Realistic looking violence - - - Sexual activity without visible genitalia - Nudity of a sexual nature

This is for the first Mass Effect game, and I know that the 18+ rating is giving for the Extreme Violence. That's the reason for the closed hand you can see next to the game's rating symbol of 18+ . In PEGI, sexual activity without visible genitalia doesn't give an automatic 18+ rating, unless there is extreme violence or strong language as well.

Interestingly enough, Danes (I'm from Denmark) seem to care more about violence in games while say Italians in Europe seem to care more the sexual content in games, just to let you know that even in Europe people's view of these things can and will be varied. As for the love or sex scenes I'm fine with them fading to black; our imagination is the strongest game we' have.

[Random citizen]

aries1001 wrote...

From the PEGI site:

http://www.pegi.info...ing=Mass Effect

And a quote:

The content of this game is suitable for persons aged 18 years and over only.
It contains: Extreme violence - Realistic looking violence - - - Sexual activity without visible genitalia - Nudity of a sexual nature

This is for the first Mass Effect game, and I know that the 18+ rating is giving for the Extreme Violence. That's the reason for the closed hand you can see next to the game's rating symbol of 18+ . In PEGI, sexual activity without visible genitalia doesn't give an automatic 18+ rating, unless there is extreme violence or strong language as well.

Interestingly enough, Danes (I'm from Denmark) seem to care more about violence in games while say Italians in Europe seem to care more the sexual content in games, just to let you know that even in Europe people's view of these things can and will be varied. As for the love or sex scenes I'm fine with them fading to black; our imagination is the strongest game we' have.

In scandinativa we have a long tradition of having a relaxed attitude towards sex and nudity, but taking a more careful and restrictive attitude towards depicted violence.

[ReallyRue]

Random citizen wrote...

aries1001 wrote...

From the PEGI site:

http://www.pegi.info...ing=Mass Effect

And a quote:

The content of this game is suitable for persons aged 18 years and over only.
It contains: Extreme violence - Realistic looking violence - - - Sexual activity without visible genitalia - Nudity of a sexual nature

This is for the first Mass Effect game, and I know that the 18+ rating is giving for the Extreme Violence. That's the reason for the closed hand you can see next to the game's rating symbol of 18+ . In PEGI, sexual activity without visible genitalia doesn't give an automatic 18+ rating, unless there is extreme violence or strong language as well.

Interestingly enough, Danes (I'm from Denmark) seem to care more about violence in games while say Italians in Europe seem to care more the sexual content in games, just to let you know that even in Europe people's view of these things can and will be varied. As for the love or sex scenes I'm fine with them fading to black; our imagination is the strongest game we' have.

In scandinativa we have a long tradition of having a relaxed attitude towards sex and nudity, but taking a more careful and restrictive attitude towards depicted violence.

I think it's *fairly* relaxed here in the UK about both sex/nudity and violence, but there is probably more restriction on the violence. The first ME game was rated 12 here, whilst the second was rated 15. Also, I think games that allow the killing of children (in gameplay, not in a story event) are restricted/banned, I believe.

[Gulaman]

The "sex" scenes in ME2 are stupid and juvenile. Even ME1 handled it better. Bioware really need to look to The Witcher 2 to see how a real sex scene is done!

[Alittlekitty]

It will always be a mystery  to me why people get so much more upset about sex in videogames than violence. Why would you feel dirty when watching people make love/have sex, but not when they're shooting/stabbing/tearing each others throat out? I don't get it...

Modifié par Alittlekitty, 21 février 2012 - 08:50 .

[draken-heart]

i personally think that if they did what was done in DA2 (allusions to sex, signifying an emotional culmination without the full nudity), that would seem like the best compromise.

ME 2 seemed stupid, yet tasteful. ME1's "sex scenes" were just copy&pasted and DA:O was copy&pasted as well.

Modifié par draken-heart, 21 février 2012 - 10:07 .

[Golden Owl]

Darth Asriel wrote...

1) not even in the loosest of definitions do the love scenes in either game qualify as porn. To suggest otherwise means you need to brush up on the English language.
2) many great works of art contain nudity, the roof of the Sistine Chapel, Michaelangelo's David, the Venus de Milo, many ancient Greek and Roman frescos and urns. This idea that the human body is something to be ashamed of is odd and a relatively new one.
3) sex is normal. It is normal for 2 adults who like each other or are attracted to one another to have sex. People can engage in sexual activity of a myriad of reasons. Love doesn't always have to be involved. A healthy attitude towards sex is a good thing.
4) BW scenes are far more tame than most of what is on primetime tv, andfar more tasteful.

Thank you Darth....perfectly said....

[Demonhoopa]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

While I like the notion of romance ... you know, two people developing a love for one another over time ... the need to walk out of the room while the porn scene rolls sort of dirties the whole thing for me. Getting all the achievments oughtn't make me feel soiled and in need of a shower

Anyone share my view that a porn clip is nasty, or do you guys think there's no such thing as romance without the porn?

If anything I find ME2 to be too G rated. When they're cuddling after the act and everyone is wearing their uniform, that's just immersion breaking. And it's fricken lazy on Bioware's part in my opinion.

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 21 février 2012 - 11:30 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

It's BioWare. They're going to do whatever they have to do in order to sell more copies of the game. People shouldn't be surprised that they went the PG route.

[Demonhoopa]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

AdrynBliss wrote...

OP needs to learn a sex scene does not equal porn.

I see, so your answer to my question is that romance requires a sex scene, and that a sex scene is not necessarily porn.

In ME2 what I observed was Miranda atop Shepard on the deckplates of engineering bouncing up and down like a pogo-stick.

Does that qualify as porn to you?

Porn with no nudity whatsoever? Uh....the answer is no. Not only is it not "porn to me", it's simply not porn at all.

Since I enjoy a woman jumping up and down on me like that, I'd hardly object to it happening to my character I've grown to empathize with over the course of a game. Then again, I've never played a Shephard that romanced Miranda so I could be mistaken.

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 21 février 2012 - 11:42 .

[Nathan Redgrave]

Random citizen wrote...

In scandinativa we have a long tradition of having a relaxed attitude towards sex and nudity, but taking a more careful and restrictive attitude towards depicted violence.

The idea that gore is more censorworthy than the human body is one I wholly approve of. Unfortunately, America has a strong religious component and as we all know, religious conservatives can sometimes have some of the most ever-loving bass-ackwards worldviews imaginable. (These usually involve trying to convince the rest of us that something that does no harm whatsoever is somehow evil and wrong.)

I don't ask much of the world, I merely beg them all to use a few of their God-given brain cells to determine what ideals are worth thinking about and which should be laughed out of the bloody building.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

I thought the way they handled it in ME1 was fine. I certainly didn't view it as porn. Fast forward to ME2 and it's even more conservative. They don't show ANYTHING!

So... how does one judge this to be even remotely close to porn?

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

Gulaman wrote...

The "sex" scenes in ME2 are stupid and juvenile. Even ME1 handled it better. Bioware really need to look to The Witcher 2 to see how a real sex scene is done!

Witcher 2 sex scenes were pretty gratuitous, tbh. But they did resemble actual sex, which is more than you can say for 90% of depictions of sex in most media. And they weren't in the depths of the uncanny valley. And the characters had interesting interactions outside of sex.

[draken-heart]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

It's BioWare. They're going to do whatever they have to do in order to sell more copies of the game. People shouldn't be surprised that they went the PG route.

you certain? because earlier in this thread someone said they had sex scenes in the game. then again i would like to see proof that the person was telling the truth, because i am skeptical.

[Oldbones2]

So long as its tasteful, like ME 1, I think a romance scene adds depth and emotion to any story.

[VeoLu]

How does this even qualify as a topic? There's no 'pr0n' in Mass Effect. Thats what the esrb ratings exist for anyway. Go take a look at leisure suit larry. Hell, First half hour of God Of War there was a threesome and naked bewbage.

This isn't entirely related, but it feels like things of this nature are far more acceptable in films. But video games.. aww, hayl nah.

If the scenes in mass effect are that horribly explicit, then I will just wish you good luck while showering blindfolded.

Modifié par VeoLu, 22 février 2012 - 05:35 .

[sorentoft]

All these concerns about more intimate moments are kind of silly anyway. It is a natural act and way more positive than shooting things. I still cannot believe the uproar a nipple causes compared to people dying. Only one of those things will truly mentally scar a child and it is not the nipple.

[MissMaster]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

AdrynBliss wrote...

OP needs to learn a sex scene does not equal porn.

I see, so your answer to my question is that romance requires a sex scene, and that a sex scene is not necessarily porn.

In ME2 what I observed was Miranda atop Shepard on the deckplates of engineering bouncing up and down like a pogo-stick.

Does that qualify as porn to you?

Lol! Have you ever even seen porn?

[Zveroferma]

MissMaster wrote...

Lol! Have you ever even seen porn?

Porn - that's what this guy does in his games. He romances once in all his playthroughs just to get an achievement.

[MakeMineMako]

Heather Cline wrote...

ME1 love scene and ME2 love scene as well as DA:O and DA2 love scenes are very tame in comparison to The Witcher 2 love scenes. In fact The Witcher 2 shows women fully nude and in throws of sexual pleasure while in ME1 it didn't even show that. ME2 love scenes were severely gimped compared to ME1. DA:O and DA2 love scenes were severely gimped as well. All because of Fox being jerks and blowing everything out of proportion.

You don't see The Witcher 2 getting the same kind of bad press for it's sex scenes like the ME series or having the people who created The Witcher 2 getting attacked for including it. Bioware after one bout of bad press became prudes and have gimped every game since ME1 in the romance bedroom scenes because of it.

Seriously because of Fox, Bioware crapped their pants and said never again. This is why we get crappy romance scenes with just bras and panties.

I like how everybody left leaning and under the age of 25 loves to blame Fox News for all the wrongs in the world on the internet, both small and large. It all started when they made a big deal about that den of stupidity and retardation, 4chan, some years ago, and it steamrolled from there. I just love the internet sometimes. <_<

Nobody in their right mind really pays attention to media sensationalism, whether it's the supposed "conservatives" of Fox News, or the left-leaning elitist "Big Media" organs like NBC, CBS, CNN, etc. It's all a big ratings game, and I suspect that Bioware is cognitive of that fact.

A lot of things got trimmed down in ME2, when compared to ME1. I suspect that included the romances, which felt rushed and side show-ish to me. Almost like an afterthought, to be honest.  Hopefully, that'll will change in ME3 and we'll get a decent romance side-plot.

[stgrey]

I love scenes with sex))

I want more and more revealing scenes. Let it be 25+ ))