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[Heather Cline]

Skyrim is a poor comparison to the ME series. ME is story driven content with culminations of several story threads.

Skyrim is an open world sandbox game with horrible story telling, multiple quest lines and the whole marriage thing is just thrown in for laughs and stuff. Like the whole "I was a adventurer like you once but then I took an arrow to the knee". It wasn't meant to be taken seriously.

This is the difference between Bioware and the creators of Skyrim. It's like comparing apples and oranges.

[knightnblu]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

While I like the notion of romance ... you know, two people developing a love for one another over time ... the need to walk out of the room while the porn scene rolls sort of dirties the whole thing for me. Getting all the achievments oughtn't make me feel soiled and in need of a shower

Anyone share my view that a porn clip is nasty, or do you guys think there's no such thing as romance without the porn?

Are you kidding me?
 
You can drop 300,000+ people like a bad habit, but having sex with your LI makes you queasy?
 
You never felt any passion for the person in whom you were interested? Never felt sexually aroused?

Its called passion, not porn. Porn is acting while passion is surrendering yourself to the wave of emotions. Is it always like that? No, but sometimes it is and I really don't see anything wrong with it. This is particularly true for people who are facing the very real possibility of death.


The drive to procreate can become intense in an atmosphere of death and destruction. It is almost as if life is raging against the approach of death and destruction. Creation versus destruction has always been a tension that produces frenzied passions in humanity and has led both to sexual activity and to atrocity.
 
Imagine yourself as Shepard. You are witness to death on a scale never before seen. In short, you are facing the end of the world and it is a very real possibility that the Reapers will leave the entire galaxy silent. Ruined cities where once there were millions of people, now lay quiet as the grave. In such an environment, you begin to long for the embrace of others as a validation of your own life.
 
It is a very potent drive and aphrodisiac.

[Heather Cline]

knight here i think nailed it on the head with is comment.

[Gallantmon228]

I quite agree. Knight nailed it right on the head.

[SeminoleFarms]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

In ME2 well worst you got was Miranda's bra or Jacob's bare chest. Not a lot of sex there. /shrug

It's not just nudity, it's the suggestion ... the scenario that's being painted for your imagination. In the Miranda/Shep depiction you have Miranda clearing the engineroom and asking Shep to meet her there. Then it's up on the console, down on the deckplates, the whole thing is just low-grade simul-porn ala Skinemax.

There are degrees of puerile. Dirty magazines are meh, phone sex is double meh, cartoons and game representations? I'm thinking that's the bottom-most meh because it's not even based on anything real.

I'm having a difficult time believing that people, anyone really, actually finds this sort of thing enjoyable or a contribution to the storyline worth the time it takes to code it.

[Kmead15]

I don't require it, but I think a well done scene can help add depth to the romances and the characterization of whoever is involved. Whether Bioware achieved that is up for debate, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have the scenes at all.

[SeminoleFarms]

knightnblu wrote...
 You can drop 300,000+ people like a bad habit, but having sex with your LI makes you queasy?

Uh, I haven't dropped anyone, and I have sex with my  love interest several times a week.

With ME, I'm playing a game....and I don't really enjoy watching graphical depictions of human sex in my games....

You do remember that it's just a game, right?

[knightnblu]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

knightnblu wrote...
 You can drop 300,000+ people like a bad habit, but having sex with your LI makes you queasy?

Uh, I haven't dropped anyone, and I have sex with my  love interest several times a week.

With ME, I'm playing a game....and I don't really enjoy watching graphical depictions of human sex in my games....

You do remember that it's just a game, right?

Methinks thou doth protest too much.

[Alclieu]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

knightnblu wrote...
 You can drop 300,000+ people like a bad habit, but having sex with your LI makes you queasy?

Uh, I haven't dropped anyone, and I have sex with my  love interest several times a week.

With ME, I'm playing a game....and I don't really enjoy watching graphical depictions of human sex in my games....

You do remember that it's just a game, right?

...uh, if it's 'just a game' then why are you getting worked up over this then?

Also, the most 'graphic' thing seen here in ME2's romance scenes is Miranda's cleavage and Jacob's lack of a shirt.

[SeminoleFarms]

knightnblu wrote...

Methinks thou doth protest too much.

You're joking me, right? You just wrote a five hundred word dissertation on the scale of "Mighty Ulysses" to answer my three sentence comment

[Knightly_BW]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

Uh, I haven't dropped anyone, and I have sex with my  love interest several times a week.

With ME, I'm playing a game....and I don't really enjoy watching graphical depictions of human sex in my games....

You do remember that it's just a game, right?

First either you are very uneducated for a guy who's 53 years old or never ever watched a porn in your entire life.

Secondly probably you learned better words than porn to describe "disturbing" sex scenes.

And lastly "porn" content of the game ain't forced on you. If you don't take romance options you won't complain and everyone will be happy.

[SeminoleFarms]

Alclieu wrote...

uh, if it's 'just a game' then why are you getting worked up over this then?

I'm the least worked-up person here

My theory is that Bioware is wasting a lot of time on these things, to provide a certain level of tittilation to what I submit is a small fraction of the players. The larger fraction likely finds the sex stuff uninteresting, annoying, or offensive depending on where they live in the morality scale.

Seems like a waste, wanted to get some opinions on it, this is a fan forum, this is a romance thread. Think I'm in the right place

[Legion64]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

In ME2 well worst you got was Miranda's bra or Jacob's bare chest. Not a lot of sex there. /shrug

It's not just nudity, it's the suggestion ... the scenario that's being painted for your imagination. In the Miranda/Shep depiction you have Miranda clearing the engineroom and asking Shep to meet her there. Then it's up on the console, down on the deckplates, the whole thing is just low-grade simul-porn ala Skinemax.

There are degrees of puerile. Dirty magazines are meh, phone sex is double meh, cartoons and game representations? I'm thinking that's the bottom-most meh because it's not even based on anything real.

I'm having a difficult time believing that people, anyone really, actually finds this sort of thing enjoyable or a contribution to the storyline worth the time it takes to code it.

You're seriously f*cked up.

[WizenSlinky0]

You say this is an easy question to answer but it really isn't. There's a lot involved under the surface. Since I'm ridiculously bored waiting for something to start I shall do my best to highlight the matter. First of all, for those who don't really care about the rest, I'll include my own views. Romance in no way requires the act of sex to be included. The scenes could be removed without any reaction from me than a single shake of my head. The simple act of watching people fall in love is often and should be all it takes to give people a little smile and move on to the next story point. Call me a romantic but I enjoy watching lose blossom even between video game characters.

Now, on to the larger explanation. There are several issues I see with your general approach to gaming that you are using in your assumptions. The first one being that "it's just video game characters". While they are just game characters it's the same as any movie characters to me. For a brief time people are able to insert themselves
into these worlds and make them "real". That's why they call is escapism. Now this has nothing to do with what many falsely assume to be some sort of creepy wish fulfillment. Most of the people I know don't insert themselves into any specific character but instead the world itself, watching their customized Juggernaut of death enact both vengeance and love on the world.

Moving on. The sex scenes in all of bioware games have ranged in taste but all fall well short of any line that would make them distasteful. They are done pretty well overall. Not much is shown and a lot is left to the players imagination (if they so choose to exercise it). The primary reason I think it's good they are included is simply because so few people do. For whatever reason our entertainment mediums (minus porn) almost always shy away from sex like it's some sort of unexplainable phenomenon none of us should talk about. Hell, the fact bioware also includes non-relationship scenes (a la jack) makes for an increasingly realistic depiction of sex.

To me this is good. Every step we get towards depicting relationships in a more realistic and more varied light is good. Because to me it has always seemed silly how we constantly shoehorned sex into some sort of taboo corner. It's only private if everyone doesn't already know you're doing it.

So yes for me to feel like a character is real with real feelings, impulses, and desires I'd prefer scenes like this get included. Sex can also be a powerful tool into the personality and actions of certain characters. It can reflect parts unseen up until then.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 20 février 2012 - 06:24 .

[mineralica]

In most cases romance require porno sequence. Or humanity would die out long ago.

In case of Mass Effect, though, romance require touch by forehead / kiss / cuddling, etc., which can easily be skipped by pressing "Space" or whatever button is required to skip cutscene on consoles.

[SeminoleFarms]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

So yes for me to feel like a character is real with real feelings, impulses, and desires I'd prefer scenes like this get included.

Thank you for a nice, direct answer!

[SeminoleFarms]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

For a brief time people are able to insert themselves into these worlds and make them "real".

I agree with you totally here, we play games such as ME (and read stories, and watch films) to escape and be or do things we cannot in the real world.

This is the main reason that I find sex scenes distracting. There is no depiction of the sexual act that is going to ever correspond to my tastes. Moviemakers and storytellers learned a long time ago that you only suggest *certain things*, and you let the reader fill in the details with his imagination.

In that way, everyone gets the experience they desire in their escapism. The more Bioware ... or anyone for that matter ... attempts to flesh out and detail these things, the more they narrow the number of people they actually reach, while increasing the number who are at best bored by it, and at worst offended by it.

Seems like a pretty simple concept.

[redbaron76]

OP Why would you be offended by an act of nature. The sex scene is culmination of epic romance sub plot and is a reward to players so it is neccessary and needed for the story plot.

[Nissun]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

So yes for me to feel like a character is real with real feelings, impulses, and desires I'd prefer scenes like this get included.

Thank you for a nice, direct answer!

Seems like you're only interesting in one kind of reply and actively ignore every other argument.

Answering your question though, I don't know what these people are talking about. I am unable to understand any kind of romantic human intimacy or simulated feelings of it if it's not through direct depictions of the sexual act itself, in the most clear and exposed way possible. I mean, come on. Who does that.

[SeminoleFarms]

Nissun wrote...

Seems like you're only interesting in one kind of reply and actively ignore every other argument.

Typically speaking, a person who asks a simple question is largely interested in a direct answer

[aries1001]

I have watched both sex scenes e.g. femamle Shepard to Miranda and male Shepard to Miranda, on Youtube. And to me, they hardly qualify as porn. First, no genitalia is shown, second in the love scene between Miranda and male Shepard it is Miranda who takes the initiative to them making love. And why can't a love scene between two people in a relationship be described as heated, or passionate? To me, this is what this scene on the deckplates were - two people in a romance making passionate love to each other. The scene ends with Miranda unbottning her blouse and leaning in over Shepard - we can imagine what follows next.

As for ratings, ther ME games have always had 18+ ratings from PEGI, not because of the sexual content, but because of the violence - and possibly the discrimination of other species as well.

[MassStorm]

Hahahahaha....oh i cannot stop laughing OP...so for you ME romance scenes are porno??.....wait are you serious in saying this??...LOL

[SeminoleFarms]

aries1001 wrote...

And to me, they hardly qualify as porn.

Well, I have certainly gathered that everyone is highly defensive of Mass Effect, and have little use for the word "porn" heh heh heh!

So in your mind, graphical depictions of the sex act are necessary in an enjoyable romantic storyline?

[Wrathra]

There is absolutely nothing pornographic about the romance scenes in ME. They are tastefully done.

Maybe the problem is your perception of sex.

[Legion64]

Wrathra wrote...

There is absolutely nothing pornographic about the romance scenes in ME. They are tastefully done.

Maybe the problem is your perception of sex.

This.