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[WizenSlinky0]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

For a brief time people are able to insert themselves into these worlds and make them "real".

I agree with you totally here, we play games such as ME (and read stories, and watch films) to escape and be or do things we cannot in the real world.

This is the main reason that I find sex scenes distracting. There is no depiction of the sexual act that is going to ever correspond to my tastes. Moviemakers and storytellers learned a long time ago that you only suggest *certain things*, and you let the reader fill in the details with his imagination.

In that way, everyone gets the experience they desire in their escapism. The more Bioware ... or anyone for that matter ... attempts to flesh out and detail these things, the more they narrow the number of people they actually reach, while increasing the number who are at best bored by it, and at worst offended by it.

Seems like a pretty simple concept.

It is a simple concept. So far as you consider the scenes entirely in the realm of sexual or entertainment value. I try to see the scenes in the form of characterization value. I'll give a few examples.

Miranda- It had been heavily implied that she is rather controlling but not really explicitely shown. Since she's under Shepards command, and is discplined, you cannot actively show that side of her since Shepard will have the final say. However, when it comes to the sex scene she dictates the time, place, and immediatly takes the lead. Everything is controlled explicitely by her terms. This is important to her character.

Tali- During the scene we, perhaps for the first time, get to see Tali act once her insecurities are put to rest. For most of the games she's too worried about the fleet, her pilgrimage, or her ability to help with the mission. The fact she basically pounces Shepard once she's been reassured is a new window into her character that we hadn't been previously privy to.

These scenes can also serve to show changes made by Shepard's choices. If you approach Jack as a paragon the scene is far more touching and important to Jack as a character than may be immediatly implied.

Sometimes there's other ways to show these traits. Sometimes there isn't. But they are still very god windows into a character.

[AkiKishi]

Romance scenes should be CG. The engine is just not good enough to make a convincing scene(detection meshes etc) it looks really awkward.

[murch07]

I think having a romantic storyline that includes no mention of sex is less realistic than having a galaxy comprised of mainly humanoid species. That being said BW could include a Call of Duty type scene skip option at the beginning of the game for those who would rather skip it.

[Kyria Nyriese]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

aries1001 wrote...

And to me, they hardly qualify as porn.

Well, I have certainly gathered that everyone is highly defensive of Mass Effect, and have little use for the word "porn" heh heh heh!

So in your mind, graphical depictions of the sex act are necessary in an enjoyable romantic storyline?

The scenes in Mass Effect are not graphic depictions of the sex act, they are tasteful scenes of two people expressing their love for each other, nothing is shown except a bit of kissing and the beginnings of the actual act, no genitals, nothing more than side boob and some butt shown.  Then cut to black, rest up to your imagination.  

Mass Effect 2... that is in no way, shape, form or fashion anywhere near graphic sex scenes, in those scenes everything is left up to the imagination.  Literally that game went to the bedroom door and then went to black.  You see Miranda in a bra kissing Shepard, Garrus and Shepard touching foreheads, not sure what Jacob is doing, besides trying to show off his abs.  We don't even see anyone's butt in ME2.

This is nothing to do with defensive of Mass Effect, this is trying to understand how you see what is in the Mass Effect games that constitutes porn or graphic sex.

[SeminoleFarms]

Wrathra wrote...

There is absolutely nothing pornographic about the romance scenes in ME.

I would use the word porn to describe both ME1 and ME2, and most depictions of sex seen on television even during prime time.

That being said, I detect a manifest hostility towards the term, and regret having used it.

So, do you personally feel that a graphical depiction of the sexual act is required to have an enjoyable romantic storyline?

[SeminoleFarms]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

this is trying to understand how you see what is in the Mass Effect games that constitutes porn or graphic sex.

That's not something you'll likely ever understand, due to generational/philosophical differences in our sense of propriety, likely combined with your over-exposure and desensitization to depictions of sex. But I'm just speculating.

So I gather that for you, personally, a graphical depiction of the sex act is necessary to enjoy a romantic storyline?

[tomorrowstation]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

Wrathra wrote...

There is absolutely nothing pornographic about the romance scenes in ME.

I would use the word porn to describe both ME1 and ME2, and most depictions of sex seen on television even during prime time.

That being said, I detect a manifest hostility towards the term, and regret having used it.

So, do you personally feel that a graphical depiction of the sexual act is required to have an enjoyable romantic storyline?

Since all you require is a yes/no answer to a single question, and don't seem to want to talk about anything but, I suggest you create a poll and leave it at that.

[RVallant]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

While I like the notion of romance ... you know, two people developing a love for one another over time ... the need to walk out of the room while the porn scene rolls sort of dirties the whole thing for me. Getting all the achievments oughtn't make me feel soiled and in need of a shower

Anyone share my view that a porn clip is nasty, or do you guys think there's no such thing as romance without the porn?

Since you're after a direct answer...

No a porn clip isn't needed to culminate a romance. But in a modern liberal age, where sex is less taboo and more widely accepted I wouldn't neccessarily object to a "porn" scene to culminate a romance.

On a second track; The ME romance scenes aren't pornographic by any means. They're pitifully tame by modern standards. Given your general replies to everyone else, bordering in the realm of just trolling for fun, I think it's enough to say that maybe it's time to realise you're a bit old (when it comes to social norms) and need to get with the times, especially if you have any concerns that scenes in ME are anywhere near pornographic and/or make you feel dirty?

No offence intended obviously, we're in 2012 not the 70's or 80's with limited concepts of human nature that hark back to a primitive way of thinking.

[SeminoleFarms]

murch07 wrote...

I think having a romantic storyline that includes no mention of sex is less realistic than having a galaxy comprised of mainly humanoid species. That being said BW could include a Call of Duty type scene skip option at the beginning of the game for those who would rather skip it.

Great idea! They've added options for "Action, RP, Story", it would certainly be great if they could add a checkbox for "Old fashioned / Modern" in the romance depiciton. Awesome!

It would be fun if they also collected metrics, just to see how many folks turn it off...

[Wrathra]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

Wrathra wrote...

There is absolutely nothing pornographic about the romance scenes in ME.

I would use the word porn to describe both ME1 and ME2, and most depictions of sex seen on television even during prime time.

That being said, I detect a manifest hostility towards the term, and regret having used it.

So, do you personally feel that a graphical depiction of the sexual act is required to have an enjoyable romantic storyline?

For context, I'm 41, female, and been married for 15 years.

If you think ME1 and ME2 are pornographic, I wonder if you've ever actually seen any pornography.  If you are 53 years old like you are claiming (this is the internet and you could be anything, after all), you must have lead an extremely sheltered life. There is nothing wrong with sex, and nothing wrong with looking at it.

I think a graphic depiction of the sexual act can be a beautiful thing, so i have absolutely no problem with it.  If done tastefully, it can add a tremendous amount to the story.  ME 1 and 2 did this fine.  I hope they do it again in ME3. 

Modifié par Wrathra, 20 février 2012 - 07:12 .

[AdrynBliss]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

Wrathra wrote...

There is absolutely nothing pornographic about the romance scenes in ME.

I would use the word porn to describe both ME1 and ME2, and most depictions of sex seen on television even during prime time.

Then, to be rather blunt and i apoligize for any offense, you clearly do not know what the word actually means.
If such content were actually pornographic they would not appear in these games or prime time television, by law.

I don't think anyone agrees that a sex scene is 100% nessercary to depict a romantic relationship, what we're taking exception to is your description of sex scenes in game as pornographic as this is factually untrue.

[SeminoleFarms]

RVallant wrote...

Since you're after a direct answer...

No a porn clip isn't needed to culminate a romance.

Thanks! Bear in mind that because something is modern or liberal, doesn't make it good or artful. Which is why nobody does Vaudeville in blackface anymore.

[Legion64]

Wrathra wrote...

SeminoleFarms wrote...

Wrathra wrote...

There is absolutely nothing pornographic about the romance scenes in ME.

I would use the word porn to describe both ME1 and ME2, and most depictions of sex seen on television even during prime time.

That being said, I detect a manifest hostility towards the term, and regret having used it.

So, do you personally feel that a graphical depiction of the sexual act is required to have an enjoyable romantic storyline?

For context, I'm 41, female, and been married for 15 years.

If you think ME1 and ME2 are pornographic, I wonder if you've ever actually seen any pornography.  If you are 53 years old like you are claiming (this is the internet and you could be anything, after all), you must have lead an extremely sheltered life. There is nothing wrong with sex, and nothing wrong with looking at it.

I think a graphic depiction of the sexual act can be a beautiful thing, so i have absolutely no problem with it.  If done tastefully, it can add a tremendous amount to the story.  ME 1 and 2 did this fine.  I hope they do it again in ME3. 

This, a 53 year old who has a phobia of sex sounds strange.

[Kyria Nyriese]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

this is trying to understand how you see what is in the Mass Effect games that constitutes porn or graphic sex.

That's not something you'll likely ever understand, due to generational/philosophical differences in our sense of propriety, likely combined with your over-exposure and desensitization to depictions of sex. But I'm just speculating.

So I gather that for you, personally, a graphical depiction of the sex act is necessary to enjoy a romantic storyline?

If you are 53 don't bet on that generational difference being that different.

As already stated in another of my replies.  No graphic sex is not something I want to see in anything, however, a tastefully done love scene yes.

[SeminoleFarms]

Wrathra wrote...

For context, I'm 41, female, and been married for 15 years.

If you think ME1 and ME2 are pornographic, I wonder if you've ever actually seen any pornography. 

I saw a ton of porn when I was a young man, all on super-8 film lol! Donkeys, people, dwarves, etc.

Then I grew up. I'm not saying ME1 and ME2 are that level of porn, obviously.

[Deventh]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

While I like the notion of romance ... you know, two people developing a love for one another over time ... the need to walk out of the room while the porn scene rolls sort of dirties the whole thing for me. Getting all the achievments oughtn't make me feel soiled and in need of a shower

Anyone share my view that a porn clip is nasty, or do you guys think there's no such thing as romance without the porn?

What the hell is this point of yours ? It's all optional in Mass Effect. It seems that your dirty mind won over you when you decided to have sex in the game. The game is rated Mature 17+ if you can't handle the pressure go play The Sims.

[WizenSlinky0]

Legion64 wrote...

This, a 53 year old who has a phobia of sex sounds strange.

Not really. Some people just have different ideas of when and where the subject should come up. Some people don't like the subject EVER coming up. We all have our own reasons for it and even in modern times not everybody considers a sex a subject that isn't a big deal to come up in casual conversation.

[SeminoleFarms]

Deventh wrote...
 
It's all optional in Mass Effect.

Fair enough, but you have to pursue it if you desire all the achievements, and I'm a completionist. I end up playing games like ME many, many times in order to do that.

[Wrathra]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

Wrathra wrote...

For context, I'm 41, female, and been married for 15 years.

If you think ME1 and ME2 are pornographic, I wonder if you've ever actually seen any pornography. 

I saw a ton of porn when I was a young man, all on super-8 film lol! Donkeys, people, dwarves, etc.

Then I grew up. I'm not saying ME1 and ME2 are that level of porn, obviously.

Then you grew up? Seriously?  Are you saying that having a healthy interest in sex is childish?  I don't quite understand the point you are trying to make here.

There is nothing wrong with pornography.  If everyone all around is a consenting adult, its all good. 

And to keep us on topic, the scenes in ME1/ME2 are fine and far from explicit.  Unless you consider headbumping and kissing explicit too?

[SeminoleFarms]

Wrathra wrote...

Then you grew up? Seriously?  Are you saying that having a healthy interest in sex is childish?

No, I'm insinuating that having *any* interest in porn is childish. This has no relation to sex, per se.

Voyerism has never been considered healthy, and porn is simply voyerism.

Modifié par SeminoleFarms, 20 février 2012 - 07:25 .

[OhKeelah1]

Needs the "porn". End of discussion.


How old are you anyways?

[Legion64]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Legion64 wrote...

This, a 53 year old who has a phobia of sex sounds strange.

Not really. Some people just have different ideas of when and where the subject should come up. Some people don't like the subject EVER coming up. We all have our own reasons for it and even in modern times not everybody considers a sex a subject that isn't a big deal to come up in casual conversation.

I know, but I just find it odd for a 53 year old man who has kids to make such a big deal with sex in a video game. And what you see in ME1/ME2 you probably can't really call it that as they show no sexual parts. ME1 there was nudity but you didn't see so much and ME2 there was nothing besides Miranda unziping her catsuit and we saw her bra and was on top of Shepard. Well, Tali was on Shepard and Shepard as on Jack. And there was nothing but passionate kissing.

[Shinobu]

Wrathra wrote...

SeminoleFarms wrote...

Wrathra wrote...

For context, I'm 41, female, and been married for 15 years.

If you think ME1 and ME2 are pornographic, I wonder if you've ever actually seen any pornography. 

I saw a ton of porn when I was a young man, all on super-8 film lol! Donkeys, people, dwarves, etc.

Then I grew up. I'm not saying ME1 and ME2 are that level of porn, obviously.

Then you grew up? Seriously?  Are you saying that having a healthy interest in sex is childish?  I don't quite understand the point you are trying to make here.

There is nothing wrong with pornography.  If everyone all around is a consenting adult, its all good. 

And to keep us on topic, the scenes in ME1/ME2 are fine and far from explicit.  Unless you consider headbumping and kissing explicit too?

I don't consider headbumping explicit enough...<_< D'you hear me, Bioware?! MOAR XENOPORN, PLEASE!

@OP If you have watched donkey porn in your misspent youth and fathered 5 kids, then why should watching Miri dry-hump your avatar make you feel dirty? Is it because you feel like you're cheating on your wife?

[Wrathra]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

Wrathra wrote...

Then you grew up? Seriously?  Are you saying that having a healthy interest in sex is childish?

No, I'm insinuating that having *any* interest in porn is childish. This has no relation to sex, per se.

Voyerism has never been considered healthy, and porn is simply voyerism.

I think that many researchers would disagree with you. Porn is fine.  If everyone is a consenting adult, its fine.   Its perfectly natural to be interested in sex - we are animals, after all. If you have trouble with  it, maybe its your own insecurities that are the cause.

I'm not even taking you seriously at this point.  Do you live in a closet?  Not watch movies or TV, read books, listen to music? 

Does the kissing/headbumps in ME2 offend you?

[fetissimies]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

Wrathra wrote...

Then you grew up? Seriously?  Are you saying that having a healthy interest in sex is childish?

No, I'm insinuating that having *any* interest in porn is childish. This has no relation to sex, per se.

Voyerism has never been considered healthy, and porn is simply voyerism.

Why don't you crawl back under the rock you came from