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[Shinobu]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

Shinobu wrote...

Mass Effect is capable of both. If you don't find that with your LI, maybe you chose the wrong one. If I screw up and Garrus dies in ME3, I will cry -- a lot.

I was unhappy that Garrus seemed so despondent in ME2, they emptied him out too much. I hope he comes back more devil-may-care and energetic in ME3.

Garrus is always one of my companions, on every mission.

Nah, there is no game where a love interest is ever going to appeal to me. It's not why I play shooters. Any love interest is a distraction, and if it lacks an associated achievement I won't even go there.

I think I'm starting to understand why you think the romance scenes in ME are "porn." If your avatar is having loveless virtual sex with someone for an achievement, of course it will feel hollow and unsatisfactory. Speaking for myself, I actually do have an emotional attachment to my chosen LI. As such, I find expressions of intimacy (including sex) to be a natural evolution of the relationship and so I like them.

This is how my Shepard feels.

[SeminoleFarms]

Raanz wrote...

In response to the OP, I don't think any scene in any of the ME games are "pornographic".

I was trying to be concise and attention-grabbing at the same time in the thread title, unaware the term itself would cause such a stir. It was probably a poor choice, but so much handier than "love scene of insufficient tastefulness"

Modifié par SeminoleFarms, 20 février 2012 - 08:30 .

[jellobell]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

Nah, there is no game where a love interest is ever going to appeal to me. It's not why I play shooters. Any love interest is a distraction, and if it lacks an associated achievement I won't even go there.

Well then I think that's your problem. If you're not emotionally invested in the romance then you can't really appreciate the sex scenes. Might be a good idea for you to skip it altogether, which is always an option. For those people who enjoy the romances and the extra insight it gives to the characters, the sex scene just provides more of that. If all you want is titillation, then there are easier ways to get that than going through an hours-long romance path.

[Wrathra]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

Shinobu wrote...

Mass Effect is capable of both. If you don't find that with your LI, maybe you chose the wrong one. If I screw up and Garrus dies in ME3, I will cry -- a lot.

I was unhappy that Garrus seemed so despondent in ME2, they emptied him out too much. I hope he comes back more devil-may-care and energetic in ME3.

Garrus is always one of my companions, on every mission.

Nah, there is no game where a love interest is ever going to appeal to me. It's not why I play shooters. Any love interest is a distraction, and if it lacks an associated achievement I won't even go there.

Bioware games are known for their writing and characters - or, they used to be. We'll see what direction they go over the next couple titles they have coming out.  If you aren't investing in the characters for anything other than their achievements, you aren't going to find anything other than your standard shooter, imo anyway.  

Modifié par Wrathra, 20 février 2012 - 08:33 .

[SeminoleFarms]

jellobell wrote...

If you're not emotionally invested in the romance then you can't really appreciate the sex scenes.

It's not exactly that, even were I emotionally invested in the love interest, a *sex* scene would ruin it. The guys who write the stories and dialogue operate from a sensibility that's quite ... crude and vulgar to be very kind ... in comparison to mine.

I'm an older fellow with a long catalogue of romances and experiences. The sex is the smallest part of courting and romance, it always works, it's always good when the two of you become familiar with each other, it's hardly important except behind those closed doors. Which is where it belongs, in my mind.

[ClanMacNab]

@SeminoleFarms

I'm 53 also, and I'm sitting here in front of the computer scratching my (balding) head in total wonder.

Your description of the engine room scene with Miranda is hyperbolic at the bare (pun intended) minimum.

[SeminoleFarms]

Wrathra wrote...

If you aren't investing in the characters for anything other than their achievements

Oh, it's not that. I'm invested in my Shepard. But I served a long tour in the military, and you wouldn't be thinking much about romance if you were Shepard, certainly *not* if you were a grunt like Williams. You'd be thinking about sleep, and cheeseburgers. Trust me...

[jellobell]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

jellobell wrote...

If you're not emotionally invested in the romance then you can't really appreciate the sex scenes.

It's not exactly that, even were I emotionally invested in the love interest, a *sex* scene would ruin it. The guys who write the stories and dialogue operate from a sensibility that's quite ... crude and vulgar to be very kind ... in comparison to mine.

I'm an older fellow with a long catalogue of romances and experiences. The sex is the smallest part of courting and romance, it always works, it's always good when the two of you become familiar with each other, it's hardly important except behind those closed doors. Which is where it belongs, in my mind.

But there is always a sexual part to romance and it's a component of a healthy relationship. The degree of importance placed on the physical aspect of the relationship differs, which is why each scene is different depending on which character you're romancing. They aren't put in there arbitrarily. 

Modifié par jellobell, 20 février 2012 - 08:48 .

[D. Carmine]

Not 1 romance in this game is "pornographic". As I pointed out earlier, the 2 that are the most explicit (Miranda+Jacob) don't depict sex, just the build up.

[Wrathra]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

Wrathra wrote...

If you aren't investing in the characters for anything other than their achievements

Oh, it's not that. I'm invested in my Shepard. But I served a long tour in the military, and you wouldn't be thinking much about romance if you were Shepard, certainly *not* if you were a grunt like Williams. You'd be thinking about sleep, and cheeseburgers. Trust me...

You wouldn't be maybe.

Williams is a young woman, not a robot.  Shepard is a healthy man in his late 20s/early 30s.  Its perfectly normal for healthy adults to think about sex or romance occasionally, no matter where they are.

Ultimately, not everyone thinks like you. We're all different.   That's the bottom line. To each his own.

[SeminoleFarms]

D. Carmine wrote...

Not 1 romance in this game is "pornographic". As I pointed out earlier, the 2 that are the most explicit (Miranda+Jacob) don't depict sex, just the build up.

Got it, understood, nobody here shares my narrow definition of porn. I grok. I wish you could understand my point about how unecessary *any* depiction of sex is to good art, and how attempts to depict it can lessen the experience due to the uniquely individual ways and means and approaches we each bring to the act.

Leaving the details to the imagination of the individual, while suggesting that intimacy has/will happened very obliquely, is the best road in my opinion.



"From Here to Eternity"

[SeminoleFarms]

Wrathra wrote...
Ultimately, not everyone thinks like you. We're all different.   That's the bottom line. To each his own.

That's *precisely* my point. Since not everyone thinks alike, any graphical depiction of the actual act of sex is going to be insufficient to the majority of people. Ergo, you don't include them, you simply allude to the fact that it has/is/will happen....

That's art. Attempts to depict sex always lead down the path to Skinemax....

Modifié par SeminoleFarms, 20 février 2012 - 08:51 .

[jellobell]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

D. Carmine wrote...

Not 1 romance in this game is "pornographic". As I pointed out earlier, the 2 that are the most explicit (Miranda+Jacob) don't depict sex, just the build up.

Got it, understood, nobody here shares my narrow definition of porn. I grok. I wish you could understand my point about how unecessary *any* depiction of sex is to good art, and how attempts to depict it can lessen the experience due to the uniquely individual ways and means and approaches we each bring to the act.

Leaving the details to the imagination of the individual, while suggesting that intimacy has/will happened very obliquely, is the best road in my opinion.



"From Here to Eternity"

That's...about as far as any of ME2's scenes go. If this is your threshold then I really don't see what you're complaining about.

[Yuqi]

Zalekanzer wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

ME 1 (the one with the sex scene) is 12+, ME2 is 15+

Just took out my ME 2 disks and took a look at ME, both are rated M Mature 17+

He's referring to the UK or Aussie ratings. In the USA, it's 17+, not so overseas, though.

Erm I have both ME1 and 2 in front of me; they are both rated MA 15+ , in Australia.(AKA you need I.D)

[android654]

Shinobu wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

Legion64 wrote...

Or at least a share of kissing. Turians no kiss?

Kissing fangs protected by metallic mandibles probably isn't the most pleasant experience in the world.

There aren't any fangs in the front, though the splintered lip plate might snag.

That might hurt, and hurt is fun!

SeminoleFarms wrote...

android654 wrote...

In an adult work of fiction? Yes.

Thanks! However, I'd consider this a game more than a work of fiction of any merit. For instance, "The Lord of the Rings" was and adult work of fiction. It contained romance. It contained zero sex. Good story too, inspired a whole genre, several movies, etc.

I'm not familiar with LOTR, but I was under the impression that it was written to appeal to a broad audience, not just adults. ME is strictly adults only, and that because they attempt to depict everything a real as it can be, given the environment. So, like in real life your Shepard, if engaging in a romance with someone will eventually have themselves some sex.

[Shinobu]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

D. Carmine wrote...

Not 1 romance in this game is "pornographic". As I pointed out earlier, the 2 that are the most explicit (Miranda+Jacob) don't depict sex, just the build up.

Got it, understood, nobody here shares my narrow definition of porn. I grok. I wish you could understand my point about how unecessary *any* depiction of sex is to good art, and how attempts to depict it can lessen the experience due to the uniquely individual ways and means and approaches we each bring to the act.

Leaving the details to the imagination of the individual, while suggesting that intimacy has/will happened very obliquely, is the best road in my opinion.



"From Here to Eternity"

That actually has more skin than the ME2 romances. I think what you're trying to say is that you find "From Here to Eternity" emotionally engaging, but "From Here to the Engine Room" not. When I see that scene, I think: Oooh, sand in bad places... chafing...

Modifié par Shinobu, 20 février 2012 - 08:53 .

[SeminoleFarms]

Shinobu wrote...
That actually has more skin than the ME2 romances. I think what you're trying to say is that you find "From Here to Eternity" emotionally engaging, but "From Here to the Engine Room" not.

It's not about the skin. Dry humping all over the engineroom and then popping your blouse open just isn't the same

Modifié par SeminoleFarms, 20 février 2012 - 08:54 .

[lorderezar]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

Deventh wrote...
 
It's all optional in Mass Effect.

Fair enough, but you have to pursue it if you desire all the achievements, and I'm a completionist. I end up playing games like ME many, many times in order to do that.

I myself don't believe you're 53 years old. Is mentioning Vaudeville and super-8 film supposed to make me believe you're Methuselah? Because I'm not buying it.

Modifié par lorderezar, 20 février 2012 - 08:58 .

[Shinobu]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

Shinobu wrote...
That actually has more skin than the ME2 romances. I think what you're trying to say is that you find "From Here to Eternity" emotionally engaging, but "From Here to the Engine Room" not.

It's not about the skin. Dry humping all over the engineroom and then popping your blouse open just isn't the same

Miri's romance was rather tasteless IMO, but you certainly shouldn't have a problem with Tali, or Garrus, or Thane. You're in a bind in ME2, because the human romances seem to be based around physical attraction (I don't know about Jack's), whereas the alien romances are more about trust, IMO.

Modifié par Shinobu, 20 février 2012 - 09:02 .

[SeminoleFarms]

android654 wrote...

So, like in real life your Shepard, if engaging in a romance with someone will eventually have themselves some sex.

Yes, and after a really big meal, we're going to take a dump. Everyone already knows that, I'd like to know why you feel a graphical depiction of either would ever be appropriate.

[Wrathra]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

Wrathra wrote...
Ultimately, not everyone thinks like you. We're all different.   That's the bottom line. To each his own.

That's *precisely* my point. Since not everyone thinks alike, any graphical depiction of the actual act of sex is going to be insufficient to the majority of people. Ergo, you don't include them, you simply allude to the fact that it has/is/will happen....

That's art. Attempts to depict sex always lead down the path to Skinemax....

Really. You've never seen a tasteful sex/romance/whatever you want to call it scene in any media? Really.

Art is subjective.  It is something different to everyone. I found the ME1 and ME2 scenes tasteful.  So did many other people. 

Removing content that someone finds questionable is not providing a choice - its taking choice away.   You don't like it, don't look at it. This is not a difficult concept to grasp.  

[eye basher]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

Volc19 wrote...

Dude, compared to ME1, the ME2 sex scenes are tame.

As you wish, my appraisal differs. Do you, personally, require a graphical sex scene in order to understand and enjoy a romantic storyline?

Is this a trick question cause the answer is yes oh and

No porno sequence in ME3!!! pre-order cancelled.

[jellobell]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

android654 wrote...

So, like in real life your Shepard, if engaging in a romance with someone will eventually have themselves some sex.

Yes, and after a really big meal, we're going to take a dump. Everyone already knows that, I'd like to know why you feel a graphical depiction of either would ever be appropriate.

Because it's not the sex itself but what it means. I've never done Miranda's romance, but in most of the others (Jack's, Garrus's and Tali's in particular) it's the ultimate display of trust between that character and Shepard. It's not just some weird bodily function, there are emotions attatched to it.

And I'd also like to emphasize that we never actually see anything particularly graphic. Not even in Miranda's.

Modifié par jellobell, 20 février 2012 - 09:05 .

[lorderezar]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

android654 wrote...

So, like in real life your Shepard, if engaging in a romance with someone will eventually have themselves some sex.

Yes, and after a really big meal, we're going to take a dump. Everyone already knows that, I'd like to know why you feel a graphical depiction of either would ever be appropriate.

Big time Rick Santorum supporter here, I'm guessing?