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[JosephDucreux]

jellobell wrote...

JosephDucreux wrote...
According to an old man like me who's probably older than 95% of the BSN community, no, romances do not require teh smeckz. But to everyone else on BSN, it's a case of 'R0MANCES NIED PR0NZ OTHERWISE IT N0 R34L'.

Kids, Google exists for a reason. Use the damn thing.

Seriously? That kind of response isn't exactly demonstrating a lot of maturity for someone who is supposedly "older than 95% of the BSN community".

And use google for what exactly? Do you actually believe that people do the romances just to get off? There are easier ways, y'know.

Uh-huh, you would know. Anyways, I don't really see much point to nudity in the romances in the first place. Nudity doesn't necessarily make a romance scene hotter. Allusions to the act are usually smexier if done right...

...and Bioware definitely fails really hard when it comes to good writing. Sure, they have their really brief shining moments, but it's usually cliched crap yanked out of the Mill of Repetition.

[Melra]

You iz wrong, dem scenes are must. What's the point of romancing otherwise?

[Naamah_bb]

 Sex sells

[Eire Icon]

I'm actually shocked reading this post?

Firstly any of the romance scenes in ME are extremely tame, how anyone would leave the room because of them is beyond me. Miranda straddling Shepard while showing off her underwear hardly constitutes porn. I've seen more skin on daytime TV.

Sex and physical interatction is neither embarassing nor something dirty that needs to be hidden away. Its a natural part of human interaction and has been around since the beginning of humanity.

[Random citizen]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

While I like the notion of romance ... you know, two people developing a love for one another over time ... the need to walk out of the room while the porn scene rolls sort of dirties the whole thing for me. Getting all the achievments oughtn't make me feel soiled and in need of a shower

Anyone share my view that a porn clip is nasty, or do you guys think there's no such thing as romance without the porn?

I dont know how you define porn (I guess I will after I have read this thread), but I prefer any "love-scene" or sexual content to be done in a tasteful and less stereotypical manner. That would bring it closer to what is refered to a "erotica", but it depends on how you define things I guess.

Modifié par Random citizen, 21 février 2012 - 02:54 .

[Random citizen]

Legion64 wrote...

I am pretty sure porn is different from having sex. Porn is recorded sex used to make money. Sex is, well, just sex. Making love with one another. Completely different. But just because one is not comfortable watching video game sex, doesn't mean he/she is underaged. In my honest opinion, I find sex to be more about love then lust.

Porn is usually very heavily codified and all surface. In such cases its not just recorded sex, its primarily performance for a camera that signifies a certain "pop-culture" type of sex.

[nici2412]

I don't understand you Americans. Brutally killing thousands of (human looking) people, destroying a whole batarian system with 300.000 civilians is fine, but showing a little bit skin during a romance scene is worth opening several threads to complain about.

[MegaBadExample]

Naamah_bb wrote...

 Sex sells

Not for me it doesn't. I watched the Witcher scene, cringed, and didn't buy the game. Nor do I ever plan to.

Who votes next Bioware game, they just leave romance out all together? Me!

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 21 février 2012 - 03:15 .

[SolidBeast]

nici2412 wrote...

I don't understand you Americans. Brutally killing thousands of (human looking) people, destroying a whole batarian system with 300.000 civilians is fine, but showing a little bit skin during a romance scene is worth opening several threads to complain about.

What is it with you and Americans? There are people all over the world on these forums and they sometimes share the same views on things.

On topic, disagree with the OP. If anything, the sex scenes are too tame.

[Nathan Redgrave]

SeminoleFarms wrote...

AdrynBliss wrote...

OP needs to learn a sex scene does not equal porn.

I see, so your answer to my question is that romance requires a sex scene, and that a sex scene is not necessarily porn.

No. It has more to do with not believing that romances should exclude sex scenes, you know? I could still dig another Aerie-type romance, where you don't actually have sex with her unless you want to jump the gun and ruin your shot at an actual romance.

EDIT: Besides, romance is meant to lead to sex. That's kind of the point. Otherwise we'd all be happy with "just friends."

In ME2 what I observed was Miranda atop Shepard on the deckplates of engineering bouncing up and down like a pogo-stick.

Does that qualify as porn to you?

Wow! You got the Super Hyper Uncensored Director's Cut edition! Those sell for a mint on eBay... in fact, I'm pretty sure there were only -20 copies ever made! Take care of that disc, son, 'cause someday it's gonna fund your retirement.

...Seriously, what? I'm pretty sure the camera fades out long before it gets to that point. It's not porn if it's not actually shown.

Modifié par Nathan Redgrave, 21 février 2012 - 03:28 .

[nici2412]

SolidBeast wrote...

nici2412 wrote...

I don't understand you Americans. Brutally killing thousands of (human looking) people, destroying a whole batarian system with 300.000 civilians is fine, but showing a little bit skin during a romance scene is worth opening several threads to complain about.

What is it with you and Americans? There are people all over the world on these forums and they sometimes share the same views on things.

On topic, disagree with the OP. If anything, the sex scenes are too tame.

Sry, i didn't want to offend anyone. I'm reading some other Mass Effect forums (3 German, 1 Polish) and there were never any complaints about the sex scenes or the outfits of the female characters. It just wasn't an important issue worth discussing about. I remember once someone mentioning Ashley's "hotpants" outfit in the leaked beta, while there are several threads about this here on bsn.
Thats why i think it's mainly a American problem (don't think rest of Europe or most parts of the world, where this game releases, have a problem with it )
So im just curious, why mass murder is fine, but showing skin is such a huge reason to complain about.. I would appreciate if anybody could explain it to me.

Modifié par nici2412, 21 février 2012 - 03:35 .

[SolidBeast]

nici2412 wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

nici2412 wrote...

I don't understand you Americans. Brutally killing thousands of (human looking) people, destroying a whole batarian system with 300.000 civilians is fine, but showing a little bit skin during a romance scene is worth opening several threads to complain about.

What is it with you and Americans? There are people all over the world on these forums and they sometimes share the same views on things.

On topic, disagree with the OP. If anything, the sex scenes are too tame.

Sry, i didn't want to offend anyone. I'm reading some other Mass Effect forums (3 German, 1 Polish) and there were never any complaints about the sex scenes or the outfits of the female characters. It just wasn't an important issue worth discussing about it. I just remember once someone mentioning Ashley's "hotpants" outfit in the leaked beta.
Thats why i think it's mainly a American problem (don't think rest of Europe or most parts of the world, where this game releases, have a problem with it )
So im just curious, why mass murder is fine, but showing skin is such a huge reason to complain about.. I would appreciate if anybody could explain it to me.

Because there are prudes of all races, classes, nationalities and religions. You were just lucky enough not to have ran into them until now.

[Random citizen]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Naamah_bb wrote...

 Sex sells

Not for me it doesn't. I watched the Witcher scene, cringed, and didn't buy the game. Nor do I ever plan to.

Who votes next Bioware game, they just leave romance out all together? Me!

Witcher 2 was a a bit too stereotypical for my taste, but I think the nudity was (and generally is, when fitting the narrative) a good thing that adds more overall depth to the gaming/narrative experience. Its just that when you introduce nudity, especially when its coupled with sex scenes, the quality requirements on how it is done goes up exponentially to how much skin and humping you show

Modifié par Random citizen, 21 février 2012 - 03:51 .

[Random citizen]

SolidBeast wrote...

nici2412 wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

nici2412 wrote...

I don't understand you Americans. Brutally killing thousands of (human looking) people, destroying a whole batarian system with 300.000 civilians is fine, but showing a little bit skin during a romance scene is worth opening several threads to complain about.

What is it with you and Americans? There are people all over the world on these forums and they sometimes share the same views on things.

On topic, disagree with the OP. If anything, the sex scenes are too tame.

Sry, i didn't want to offend anyone. I'm reading some other Mass Effect forums (3 German, 1 Polish) and there were never any complaints about the sex scenes or the outfits of the female characters. It just wasn't an important issue worth discussing about it. I just remember once someone mentioning Ashley's "hotpants" outfit in the leaked beta.
Thats why i think it's mainly a American problem (don't think rest of Europe or most parts of the world, where this game releases, have a problem with it )
So im just curious, why mass murder is fine, but showing skin is such a huge reason to complain about.. I would appreciate if anybody could explain it to me.

Because there are prudes of all races, classes, nationalities and religions. You were just lucky enough not to have ran into them until now.

Some cultures are more neurotic then others though. There is hardly any widespread opposition to nudity here in Sweden (and we have been in a cultural "conservative" backlash ever since the end of the 80s) Its just quite recently that the pendulum is starting to swing back . But we are pretty irreligious.

[SolidBeast]

Point still stands. It's never okay to generalize.

[Random citizen]

nici2412 wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

nici2412 wrote...

I don't understand you Americans. Brutally killing thousands of (human looking) people, destroying a whole batarian system with 300.000 civilians is fine, but showing a little bit skin during a romance scene is worth opening several threads to complain about.

What is it with you and Americans? There are people all over the world on these forums and they sometimes share the same views on things.

On topic, disagree with the OP. If anything, the sex scenes are too tame.

Sry, i didn't want to offend anyone. I'm reading some other Mass Effect forums (3 German, 1 Polish) and there were never any complaints about the sex scenes or the outfits of the female characters. It just wasn't an important issue worth discussing about. I remember once someone mentioning Ashley's "hotpants" outfit in the leaked beta, while there are several threads about this here on bsn.
Thats why i think it's mainly a American problem (don't think rest of Europe or most parts of the world, where this game releases, have a problem with it )
So im just curious, why mass murder is fine, but showing skin is such a huge reason to complain about.. I would appreciate if anybody could explain it to me.

It may be because of American history and current state of affairs. It was and is a pretty violent and religious country.

[Random citizen]

SolidBeast wrote...

Point still stands. It's never okay to generalize.

Unless you are clear about it being a generalisation t hat does not apply on every one or every group IMHO.

[SolidBeast]

Random citizen wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Point still stands. It's never okay to generalize.

Unless you are clear about it being a generalisation t hat does not apply on every one or every group IMHO.

Being okay with brutally murdering 300.000 civillians but not being okay with showing some skin is not limited to Americans, nor are Americans excluded from having an open mind about these things. Thus, mentioning Americans at all like it's the determining factor to feeling this way is entirely unnecessary and insulting.

[Random citizen]

SolidBeast wrote...

Random citizen wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Point still stands. It's never okay to generalize.

Unless you are clear about it being a generalisation t hat does not apply on every one or every group IMHO.

Being okay with brutally murdering 300.000 civillians but not being okay with showing some skin is not limited to Americans, nor are Americans excluded from having an open mind about these things. Thus, mentioning Americans at all like it's the determining factor to feeling this way is entirely unnecessary and insulting.

I think you are taking this the wrong way. Its more of a reference to the cultural climate then anything else. Of course this cultural cimate is not all all-encompassing for any country.

[android654]

SolidBeast wrote...

Random citizen wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Point still stands. It's never okay to generalize.

Unless you are clear about it being a generalisation t hat does not apply on every one or every group IMHO.

Being okay with brutally murdering 300.000 civillians but not being okay with showing some skin is not limited to Americans, nor are Americans excluded from having an open mind about these things. Thus, mentioning Americans at all like it's the determining factor to feeling this way is entirely unnecessary and insulting.

Coming from an american, we're much more comfortable with violence than with sex. That's the point that was being made.

[SolidBeast]

Random citizen wrote...

I think you are taking this the wrong way. Its more of a reference to the cultural climate then anything else. Of course this cultural cimate is not all all-encompassing for any country.

Since this is not a purely American forum, nor do all of us share the same views and furthermore, since this is not a discussion on different cultures, but rather one person's views, referencing it serves no purpose here other than as flamebait.

[Naamah_bb]

Sex is a part of normal everyday life. Today society tries to raise small children to grow up as mindless drones with all its censorship of life situations. And i come to see that not only children are affected by this trend. If you don't like it, just skip the scenes that offend you (?!) and carry on with the game.I like my games to be realistic as much as possible and thus i support sex scenes.

[draken-heart]

honestly, i think it is better to leave things like this to the imagination, as then what happens is put to the player to interpret and not expicit (even though what was in ME1 was not that expicit). heck, i like to think the awkward underwear deal in DA:O and merrill's Love scene in DA2 were only there to censor things, and there was sex in those scenes.

[Freestate2nd]

we want alien vaginas! Sex in mass effect saga is too polite! XD

[Shad0wOGRE]

Someone needs to watch actual porn, or daytime television so they can get a proper baseline of where the "sex scenes" of ME1&2 are on the spectrum.

Seriously, grow up.