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[Cazlee]

There is a hint of DA2 in the ME3 demo... both renegade and paragon conversation paths led to the same exact reactions. The developers of DA2 mentioned that they had to "eliminate content only the minority will see" or something. It sounded like they were on a very tight budget and timeline when they were making it. :/

Modifié par Cazlee, 20 février 2012 - 07:48 .

[Forst1999]

I agree with the OP. DAII got a "negative hype" from day 1. It was a strange thing and i'm happy it isn't nearly as bad for ME3.

[AkiKishi]

incinerator950 wrote...

Klijpope wrote...
Bioware should be at least applauded for trying out different story structures.

Isn't it funny when people generalize Bioware for trying something from other games, but then people complain when a new direction is taken, its bad?

Quality is even more important when you try a new direction.

[Bismth]

i heard that in DA2 you can romance sandal

[Naughty Bear]

Bioware pulled a renegade interupt on us fans and released it.

[Chuvvy]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...
the people who worked so hard on Dragon Age II.

What is people who don't exist?

[AkiKishi]

Cazlee wrote...

There is a hint of DA2 in the ME3 demo... both renegade and paragon conversation paths led to the same exact reactions. The developers of DA2 mentioned that they had to "eliminate content only the minority will see" or something. It sounded like they were on a very tight budget and timeline when they were making it. :/

That's why I downgraded it to rental. The ME3 demo has a not quite finished feel to it much like the DA2 demo did. Of course no one is naive enough to buy the "It's only a demo" line after DA2 are they?

[Darth Death]

No.

[Guywhoiam]

wolfsite wrote...

DA2 was a good game, wasn't a great game but a good game.  I the main problems I would say is it went left when people thought it would go right.  It did have a more unique story structure but it got hurt by re-using areas too much.

This. It was a good game if you look at the good instead of the bad. It was disappointing, but is not deserving of the hate it gets.

[steamcamel]

It wasn't a bad game, but not great either. It may not have had a dragon age origin-like story, but at least they had the balls to go in a new direction. I also loved Isabela, Varric, Merrill, the smartmouth-Hawke and the banter between them.

That being said, it should have had more time in the oven. They royally screwed the pooch when they decided to reuse the areas, something which one of the lead designers later said he regrets. I also didn't care for the totally confusing qunari-subplot and the jump in time. It totally disconnected me from the story to the point where I didn't care anymore. And the combat system sucked balls because of enemies appearing out of thin air. It was incredibly frustrating and it rendered tactical gameplay irrelevant.

[Aaleel]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Cazlee wrote...

There is a hint of DA2 in the ME3 demo... both renegade and paragon conversation paths led to the same exact reactions. The developers of DA2 mentioned that they had to "eliminate content only the minority will see" or something. It sounded like they were on a very tight budget and timeline when they were making it. :/

That's why I downgraded it to rental. The ME3 demo has a not quite finished feel to it much like the DA2 demo did. Of course no one is naive enough to buy the "It's only a demo" line after DA2 are they?

From a lot of the posts int his forum, there are a lot of people expecting everything to be magically fixed on March 6th because the demo "was an old build".  It's going to be some disappointed peopel comce March 6th.

[VolusvsReaper]

People talk about DAII like it is in the top 10 worst games ever...you guys need to play Superman 64, Aquaman, E.T. I know the horrors of a bad game and DAII is not in their leagues

[AkiKishi]

weirdopo wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

DA2 was a good game, wasn't a great game but a good game.  I the main problems I would say is it went left when people thought it would go right.  It did have a more unique story structure but it got hurt by re-using areas too much.

This. It was a good game if you look at the good instead of the bad. It was disappointing, but is not deserving of the hate it gets.

Isn't that like saying a meal with a turd on your plate is fine as long as you don't look at the turd?

[incinerator950]

Aaleel wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Cazlee wrote...

There is a hint of DA2 in the ME3 demo... both renegade and paragon conversation paths led to the same exact reactions. The developers of DA2 mentioned that they had to "eliminate content only the minority will see" or something. It sounded like they were on a very tight budget and timeline when they were making it. :/

That's why I downgraded it to rental. The ME3 demo has a not quite finished feel to it much like the DA2 demo did. Of course no one is naive enough to buy the "It's only a demo" line after DA2 are they?

From a lot of the posts int his forum, there are a lot of people expecting everything to be magically fixed on March 6th because the demo "was an old build".  It's going to be some disappointed peopel comce March 6th.

After the beta missions and the demo, I don't believe I'll be dissapointed.  Then again, I've had most Bioware games below Bethesda and Obsidian games for a while, so meh.  

[GalacticTHOR]

The games logic was f*cked! I REALLY wanted to like Dragon Age, but I couldn't. I wasn't bothered about the story change, in fact I think it was very brave of Bioware to change the story direction. What I don't like is the almost non-existent plot, and the fact that your attacked by enemies EVERYWHERE. Also a game where the central plot was a civil war between Mages and Templars, it was pathetic that no-one reacted to my being a mage! Zeropunctuation summed DA2 up perfectly: It isn't a story it is a place holder. It is like they through someone out onto the stage to stall why behind the curtains they prepared the real play. The game was stretched out so it could lead into a third title. The main reason everyon was angry is because it could of been fantastic.

[PlumPaul93]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Not really it sucked. Lets hope ME3 does not go the same way.

This.

[chance52]

They copy & pasted most of that game, every elf you fought, every qunari, the same 4-5 human faces put on the exact same human model for the entire game, they took enemy models straight from DA:O and reused the same 4 maps over and over for the entire game.

Then they blamed the fans who voiced their displeasure for not playing a harder difficulty setting or expecting DA:O 2 (after they went through so much trouble giving it a unique name). Don't feel sorry for the DA team, feel sorry for everyone who pre-ordered that when you can pick it up in bargain bins for 7 dollars now.

I've said it before DA2 was the worst sequel I've ever seen, but if you look at it as just another game having nothing to do with anything, it was fun. The problem areas could have been forgiven for a new game, but it was a sequel and people expect improvements as a series goes on and DA2 took a sledgehammer to everything that was good in the first game.

I will say though both DA2 story DLC's did show that they listened to fan reaction and took real steps toward putting out a better product.

[JaegerBane]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

I remember the pre-release hype for Dragon Age II was almost universally negative.  Mass Effect 3 is already being showered with praise and I can't help but feel bad for the people who worked so hard on Dragon Age II.  Already their game isn't held in high esteem, even amongst Bioware fans so imagine how few people will care about it post Mass Effect 3, especially if Mass Effect 3 turns out to be a huge critical success.

No, I really don't.

The ME3 demo wasn't perfect, not by a long shot, but it still felt the dev team had spent some serious effort refining what made the ME series my favourite. In comparison, the dev team on DA2 seemed to be more interested in making a completely different game and forgot what made the DA universe great in the first place. I mean, who on earth thought it was a good idea to set the whole game in that dull, tiny city?

I really have no sympathy for that, as its the easiest problem to avoid, and the most catastrophic when it isn't avoided.

chance52 wrote...
I will say though both DA2 story DLC's did
show that they listened to fan reaction and took real steps toward
putting out a better product.

Its just a shame that there's a limit to the amount of damage DLC can fix.

Modifié par JaegerBane, 20 février 2012 - 08:17 .

[Luigitornado]

I haven't played it yet.

[Gill Kaiser]

DA2 is merely mediocre. It's not terrible, it has many good aspects, but they are drowned out by its problems, and by the degree to which it falls short of its predecessor.

[Darth Asriel]

I bought and played DA2 it's a terrible followup to DAO. The story was crap, and that's the biggest sin an RPG can commit. The reuse of dungeons..... Well I would bs a hypocrite if I killed it for that but gave ME1 a pass. Overall some good ideas not executed properly. I hope ME3 avoids those pitfalls.

[AkiKishi]

JaegerBane wrote...

The ME3 demo wasn't perfect, not by a long shot, but it still felt the dev team had spent some serious effort refining what made the ME series my favourite. In comparison, the dev team on DA2 seemed to be more interested in making a completely different game and forgot what made the DA universe great in the first place. I mean, who on earth thought it was a good idea to set the whole game in that dull, tiny city?

I really have no sympathy for that, as its the easiest problem to avoid, and the most catastrophic when it isn't avoided.

If they had come out and said the demo is not the final build I'd say it was "good" demo. Kingdoms of Amular demo had issues, but it was made clear it was an earlier build and they were not there in the final release.
However if that demo is the first level of the final game well.... I'm glad I'm just renting it.

[Saints_]

Why would I feel sympathy for a game? It's not like it sits on shelves crying.

[Ziggeh]

Saints_ wrote...

Why would I feel sympathy for a game? It's not like it sits on shelves crying.

Being bullied by Dance Dance Revolution