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[twisty77]

wolfsite wrote...

DA2 was a good game, wasn't a great game but a good game.  I the main problems I would say is it went left when people thought it would go right.  It did have a more unique story structure but it got hurt by re-using areas too much.

This.

BioWare's standard is SO high, that even if they make a good, not great, game, it's not going to be critically accaimed game. That said, I've never played the DA series(I'm not a fantasy RPG guy) but I do have friends who have done so, and none of them cared for DA2.

The expectation in my mind for ME3 is MASSIVE. I almost don't think that it will be able to live up to the hype in my mind. Here's hoping...

[CitizenSnips]

So... we shouldn't judge a product on its qualities because someone might feel bad?

[AndrewRogue]

Yeah.

Honestly, I sort of like DA2. It is, of course, flawed. Severely. But it does a lot of good stuff.

Also, like someone early in the topic said. I am probably also less biased against DA2 because I was already biased against DA:O for not being Baldur's Gate: Origins. So, since I wasn't tremendously invested in DA:O, I didn't feel betrayed by DA2.

[KotorEffect3]

DA 2 is a better game than it is given credit for but it isn't nearly as good as origins. People usualy expect the sequel to be of equal value or better than the original. For my part I still have fun playing DA 2. But this has no bearing on ME 3 whatsoever. So far the Mass Effect games just keep on getting better despite what some people stuck with ME 1 nostaliga think.

[Merengues 1945]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Not really it sucked. Lets hope ME3 does not go the same way.

Ihpoe the same... I just can't watch mass effect going to the toilet like dragon age with the tremendous fiasco of DA2.

[John Locke N7]

its pretty damn ironic.

ME2 was praised even though it was CRAP for dumbing down the gameplay. I think they realized that concern with DA2, and even though they wanted to make it more 'cinematic' like ME2 they took time with the gameplay.

DA2 had some poor and stupid deisgn choices in it just like ME2, but the combat was beautiful.

I think if DA2 came out first it would have gotten the same scores as ME2, and ME2 would have gotten the same scores as DA2

[darthnick427]

No i don't feel sorry for them. they were lazy with their product and suffered for it. Now they know better and won't make the same mistake again. Luckily I liked DA2 but DA:O was superior by leaps and bounds

[AkiKishi]

twisty77 wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

DA2 was a good game, wasn't a great game but a good game.  I the main problems I would say is it went left when people thought it would go right.  It did have a more unique story structure but it got hurt by re-using areas too much.

This.

BioWare's standard is SO high, that even if they make a good, not great, game, it's not going to be critically accaimed game. That said, I've never played the DA series(I'm not a fantasy RPG guy) but I do have friends who have done so, and none of them cared for DA2.

The expectation in my mind for ME3 is MASSIVE. I almost don't think that it will be able to live up to the hype in my mind. Here's hoping...

It was full of bugs
It was full of glitches
It reused the same area over and over
It was missing features
Depending on which path you took the ending was messed up.

And that's a good game to you?

[incinerator950]

Actually, scratch that.

Modifié par incinerator950, 20 février 2012 - 08:45 .

[KotorEffect3]

John Locke N7 wrote...

its pretty damn ironic.

ME2 was praised even though it was CRAP for dumbing down the gameplay. I think they realized that concern with DA2, and even though they wanted to make it more 'cinematic' like ME2 they took time with the gameplay.

DA2 had some poor and stupid deisgn choices in it just like ME2, but the combat was beautiful.

I think if DA2 came out first it would have gotten the same scores as ME2, and ME2 would have gotten the same scores as DA2

No,  ME 2 was praised because it was truly a great game.  Despite the fact that you have allowed your ME 1 nostalgia to cloud your judgement.  Also your opinion is not fact.

[DnVill]

It was too dumbed down and clearly unfinished... they probably just went "oh no its almost deadline and we havn't finished! oh well we'll just reuse the same maps for the quests and side quests to make things easier and just over hype it so everyone will buy it."

[Leafs43]

 The people that hated DA2 were the ones that couldn't reprise their homosexual pillow biting slave elf.

DA2 was fine and it was a Dragon Age game.

Modifié par Leafs43, 20 février 2012 - 08:53 .

[NaastyNZL]

No, I don't feel sorry for Dragon Age 2. However for the people who created the game, having to put up with the scum of the earth that insults them on twitter, sending them death threats or trolling.. I do feel sorry for them. It makes me so ashamed to be a video gaming hobbyist.

[Dionkey]

CrazyCatDude wrote...

I've never understood the hate. Dragon Age II was, in almost every way, a better game. Better story, better combat, better characters, much more emotionally engaging. It still isn't as good as the Mass Effect games, but mostly that has to do with me being sick to death of the Fantasy setting, and it not having biotic charge. I'll admit there were a couple of WTF moments in the writing, but honestly, what game doesn't have those.

2/10. You got me a little riled up.

[Di-Hydrogen-Monoxide]

DA2 was an alright game. It's problem was (for me) that it was too different from Origins in terms of gameplay and design, and they just couldn't pull that shift off in a pleasing way.

[Arrow70]

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

Who gives a crap about that game. Oh wrong SECTION too this is MASS EFFECT SECTION!!

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

WRONG SECTION!!!!

Jeez calm down dude, it's not hurting you (and to be honest the topic is about DA2 dissapointment in relation to ME3 so it is in an acceptable forum though it will probably be locked here soon enough)

On topic, I my self have not played the DA series but a person I know who has played them says the the game is not a bad game but just not up to usual Bioware standards. Essentially a good game, but not a good bioware game.

Plenty of games have gotten away with worse and not recieved the hate that DA2 did.

[Darkchipper07]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

I remember the pre-release hype for Dragon Age II was almost universally negative.  Mass Effect 3 is already being showered with praise and I can't help but feel bad for the people who worked so hard on Dragon Age II.  Already their game isn't held in high esteem, even amongst Bioware fans so imagine how few people will care about it post Mass Effect 3, especially if Mass Effect 3 turns out to be a huge critical success.

Where were you? DA 2 got great positive hype everywhere pre-release, you are thinking post-release that's when the storm came ever one complaining it was not like DA:O.

[KotorEffect3]

Arrow70 wrote...

Plenty of games have gotten away with worse and not recieved the hate that DA2 did.

This

[Gabey5]

da2 was trash

[AkiKishi]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Arrow70 wrote...

Plenty of games have gotten away with worse and not recieved the hate that DA2 did.

This

Only because less people werer aware of them.DA2 was a high profile game.

[MarauderESP]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

John Locke N7 wrote...

its pretty damn ironic.

ME2 was praised even though it was CRAP for dumbing down the gameplay. I think they realized that concern with DA2, and even though they wanted to make it more 'cinematic' like ME2 they took time with the gameplay.

DA2 had some poor and stupid deisgn choices in it just like ME2, but the combat was beautiful.

I think if DA2 came out first it would have gotten the same scores as ME2, and ME2 would have gotten the same scores as DA2

No,  ME 2 was praised because it was truly a great game.  Despite the fact that you have allowed your ME 1 nostalgia to cloud your judgement.  Also your opinion is not fact.

yours either.....

DA2 is the worst fantasy action/rpg i´ve played (DS is a better one imo, at least ur choices mattered at the end of the game and that is a dungeon crawler), for me ME2 was good but i didnt get the same feel i got with ME1 (no deep) and that is my opinion and is as valid as yours

[Tom Jolly]

No, I don't feel sorry for them.

[SnakeStrike8]

ME 3, by its very nature, will have a small leg-up over DA 2. We're still playing Commander Shepard, and by now we each have a different idea of who he or she is, and many have multiple versions of him. Bioware must know this, and since ME 3 is the end of this series, they can have wildly divergent endings for different playthroughs and use recurring characters that we've all come to love to tug at our hearstrings.
DA 2 didn't have any of these freedoms. They went with new characters, a new setting and a new story, so players from Origins had no connection to it. The only thing DA 2 had in common with the Dragon Age setting was that it's set (nominally) in the same universe. Nothing from Origins gets more than the barest mention, and DA 2 had the unfortunate position of being the middle child; they had to keep the story on track (so they force everyone into the same ending). Aside from that, DA 2's handling of player choices was unprecedented for a Bioware game; they more or less ignored player choices to get that universal ending, and that's not something one usually sees from a Bioware game. And then there's all the other business of reused environs and so forth.
So yes, I do feel bad for the DA 2 boys. They didn't have the time or freedom to make a real quality game, or even the game that I imagine they wanted to make.