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[ObserverStatus]

staindgrey wrote...
Guys, don't feed the troll.
Homosexuals have been wrongly singled out and outright hated in parts of the world, persecuted by religion, not allowed to the rights of marriage benefits while trying to raise a family, kicked out of their own families due to blind hate and ignorance of biology...
Yes, it may seem silly for a gaming group to revolve around gender attractions, but do not belittle their trials in some half-assed forum joke. Show some class, OP.

I fail to see how making a parody of some moron's troll thread belittles the global struggle for equality between sexual orientations.

[UK Wildcat]

Thoragoros wrote...

N3xium_Crash wrote...

My post was a warning that mods have been notified to monitor this not saying I have judged it one way or the other as that is not my place. I do however find that even if I would desire to join the OP has specifically said I would be unable to do so whereas I had not shut a single individual out that requested to this date. Also the validity remark was because my specific post had been mod approved (more than one) and the subject of validity no longer mattered. Now I am asking for the same on this one to lay to rest that argument on this post.

"Tolerance" cuts both ways.

If Bioware is tolerating your exclusive group, then they have to tolerate the opposing exclusive group, otherwise that isn't tolerance, that is itself a form of discrimination.

This is a stupid mentality that doesn't resonate with real life.  Certain groups have a history of being discriminated against in the US.  Bioware as a company HAS NO DUTY to provide freedom of speech or association on their forums.

If Bioware wants to allow homosexuals or homosexual-friendly people to post threads so that they can associate without people hating on them, then more power to them.

This has no effect on the players describing themselves as heterosexual.  Getting up and arms and going on some trolling internet crusade against bioware or homosexuals is more of a reflection of personal stupidity rather than anything on the part of Bioware.

I'm glad Bioware isn't pandering to racists, homophobes, and people who have no business caring about who else is playing the game.

[Thoragoros]

N3xium_Crash wrote...

Simply put walk a mile in the shoes of those who have to seek this safehaven and then and only then will you understand until then you never will.

What safehaven?  You are playing a video game in which everyone is anonymous unless they choose to get on and announce who and what they are.  

[themaxzero]

N3xium_Crash wrote...

Warden Kuril wrote...

Trauma Hunter wrote...

what does being ****** or hetero have to do with games.

I dont understand the need for the other topic. Nor do i understand the need for this one.

Thank you, sir. I love those rare instances when common sense appears on the internet. It's almost like seeing a unicorn.

It is needed because a group that is the subject of many derogatory remarks over say voice chat wouldn't mind being in a group of like-minded individuals who will not berate or belittle or ruin the game for others just because of a slight difference.  Obviously in a perfect world I would not even have needed nor wanted to propose a group without the need being their due to this being something we have to deal with in today's world. Now I am not saying this group of mine couldn't run into instances that the group has sought to avoid but it drastically cuts down on them and will create a friendly environment.  Honestly no matter who they are I want everyone to be able to enjoy this great game no matter who they are or what they believe or any other difference they may have because for what people pay to experience the game and what they seek out of it should NEVER be hindered or subject to the whims of another individual seeking to ruin that. Simply put walk a mile in the shoes of those who have to seek this safehaven and then and only then will you understand until then you never will.

Sure no problem, have your group.

The main issue is Bioware (or a rep in this case) getting involved. Since this group isn't aimed at you I am wondering why you are even posting here?

[themaxzero]

UK Wildcat wrote...

Thoragoros wrote...

N3xium_Crash wrote...

My post was a warning that mods have been notified to monitor this not saying I have judged it one way or the other as that is not my place. I do however find that even if I would desire to join the OP has specifically said I would be unable to do so whereas I had not shut a single individual out that requested to this date. Also the validity remark was because my specific post had been mod approved (more than one) and the subject of validity no longer mattered. Now I am asking for the same on this one to lay to rest that argument on this post.

"Tolerance" cuts both ways.

If Bioware is tolerating your exclusive group, then they have to tolerate the opposing exclusive group, otherwise that isn't tolerance, that is itself a form of discrimination.

This is a stupid mentality that doesn't resonate with real life.  Certain groups have a history of being discriminated against in the US.  Bioware as a company HAS NO DUTY to provide freedom of speech or association on their forums.

If Bioware wants to allow homosexuals or homosexual-friendly people to post threads so that they can associate without people hating on them, then more power to them.

This has no effect on the players describing themselves as heterosexual.  Getting up and arms and going on some trolling internet crusade against bioware or homosexuals is more of a reflection of personal stupidity rather than anything on the part of Bioware.

I'm glad Bioware isn't pandering to racists, homophobes, and people who have no business caring about who else is playing the game.

So you are saying some discrimination is okay as long as you agree with it?

Needless to say this thread will almost certainly be locked which I think was the goal from the start  for a certain number of posters.

Modifié par themaxzero, 20 février 2012 - 09:02 .

[No Snakes Alive]

Why do I predict this thread leading to a bunch of homophobic dude-bros, TC included, all bro'ing out together in an ME3 multiplayer sausagefest that ironically ends up being way gayer than any groups this thread's "homosexual" counterpart thread spawns.

Guarantee it.

Modifié par No Snakes Alive, 20 février 2012 - 09:11 .

[UK Wildcat]

Thoragoros wrote...

N3xium_Crash wrote...

Simply put walk a mile in the shoes of those who have to seek this safehaven and then and only then will you understand until then you never will.

What safehaven?  You are playing a video game in which everyone is anonymous unless they choose to get on and announce who and what they are.  

If you've ever played online videogames with random people, which I'm certain you have or should have by now if you are posting on a forum for multi-player, you'd understand that the internet is rife with people secure at home in their 'anonymity' who don't mind saying racist / homophobic / hateful things to random people they play with.

Some people don't want to deal with that kind of **** while they are playing and it makes since that they would look for others who feel the same way to group with so they don't have to group with random fools.

[Warden Kuril]

N3xium_Crash wrote...

It is needed because a group that is the subject of many derogatory remarks over say voice chat wouldn't mind being in a group of like-minded individuals who will not berate or belittle or ruin the game for others just because of a slight difference.  Obviously in a perfect world I would not even have needed nor wanted to propose a group without the need being their due to this being something we have to deal with in today's world. Now I am not saying this group of mine couldn't run into instances that the group has sought to avoid but it drastically cuts down on them and will create a friendly environment.  Honestly no matter who they are I want everyone to be able to enjoy this great game no matter who they are or what they believe or any other difference they may have because for what people pay to experience the game and what they seek out of it should NEVER be hindered or subject to the whims of another individual seeking to ruin that. Simply put walk a mile in the shoes of those who have to seek this safehaven and then and only then will you understand until then you never will.

I do not judge people for their sexual orientation. It is a non-issue, which is what it has become for the vast majority of people today.

I do, however, judge people for not using punctuation and writing in run-on sentences.

[N3xium_Crash]

@13ip0lar : Exactly where did I bring up rights as it applies to religion or the LGBT movement. I have not you have brought that up and I was the one stamping that discussion out on my post as all it served was to derail the actual post itself and the goal of the group being formed. If you think somehow that you are a mod then you are sadly mistaken and I find no reason to read or respond to your remarks any further and won't.

[UK Wildcat]

themaxzero wrote...

UK Wildcat wrote...

Thoragoros wrote...

N3xium_Crash wrote...

My post was a warning that mods have been notified to monitor this not saying I have judged it one way or the other as that is not my place. I do however find that even if I would desire to join the OP has specifically said I would be unable to do so whereas I had not shut a single individual out that requested to this date. Also the validity remark was because my specific post had been mod approved (more than one) and the subject of validity no longer mattered. Now I am asking for the same on this one to lay to rest that argument on this post.

"Tolerance" cuts both ways.

If Bioware is tolerating your exclusive group, then they have to tolerate the opposing exclusive group, otherwise that isn't tolerance, that is itself a form of discrimination.

This is a stupid mentality that doesn't resonate with real life.  Certain groups have a history of being discriminated against in the US.  Bioware as a company HAS NO DUTY to provide freedom of speech or association on their forums.

If Bioware wants to allow homosexuals or homosexual-friendly people to post threads so that they can associate without people hating on them, then more power to them.

This has no effect on the players describing themselves as heterosexual.  Getting up and arms and going on some trolling internet crusade against bioware or homosexuals is more of a reflection of personal stupidity rather than anything on the part of Bioware.

I'm glad Bioware isn't pandering to racists, homophobes, and people who have no business caring about who else is playing the game.

So you are saying some discrimination is okay as long as you agree with it?

If you mean discrimination to mean that Bioware will allow homosexuals/homosexual friendly people to post looking for groups, but wouldn't hypothetically approve white supremacists, or neo-****s or other types of groups then absolutely.

[Thoragoros]

UK Wildcat wrote...


This is a stupid mentality that doesn't resonate with real life.  Certain groups have a history of being discriminated against in the US.  Bioware as a company HAS NO DUTY to provide freedom of speech or association on their forums.

If Bioware wants to allow homosexuals or homosexual-friendly people to post threads so that they can associate without people hating on them, then more power to them.

This has no effect on the players describing themselves as heterosexual.  Getting up and arms and going on some trolling internet crusade against bioware or homosexuals is more of a reflection of personal stupidity rather than anything on the part of Bioware.

I'm glad Bioware isn't pandering to racists, homophobes, and people who have no business caring about who else is playing the game.

You're talking about "Tolerating Intolerance," which has nothing to do with what I said, and you know it.  Nowhere did I say 'Create a group for racists,' or 'let homophobes have a group.'  In fact, I did not even imply that.

I am talking about treating all people fairly, gay or straight, black or white.  Nowhere did I mention 'tolerating intolerance.'

To demonstrate what I mean,  if you have a group of 5 people, choosing to treat only 2 of those people 'fairly' because they are somehow different will create tension between those 2 people and 3 people that are not being treated with the same level of consideration as the other 2.  So, in order to create harmony, you treat all 5 of those people the same.

Modifié par Thoragoros, 20 février 2012 - 09:06 .

[Blacklash93]

Eh... knock yourself out. I support it.

[Eragondragonrider]

So the OP is stating he can't get a girl IRL so....now he is trying to get an imaginary girl in a game.... sry to tell you OP but you will probable pick up some 300 Ibs Hairy Gorilla that looks just like you.

[N3xium_Crash]

I do not judge people for their sexual orientation. It is a non-issue, which is what it has become for the vast majority of people today.

Non-issue??? I trully wish that were true but obviously it isn't otherwise neither posts would exist.

[themaxzero]

UK Wildcat wrote...

themaxzero wrote...

UK Wildcat wrote...

Thoragoros wrote...

N3xium_Crash wrote...

My post was a warning that mods have been notified to monitor this not saying I have judged it one way or the other as that is not my place. I do however find that even if I would desire to join the OP has specifically said I would be unable to do so whereas I had not shut a single individual out that requested to this date. Also the validity remark was because my specific post had been mod approved (more than one) and the subject of validity no longer mattered. Now I am asking for the same on this one to lay to rest that argument on this post.

"Tolerance" cuts both ways.

If Bioware is tolerating your exclusive group, then they have to tolerate the opposing exclusive group, otherwise that isn't tolerance, that is itself a form of discrimination.

This is a stupid mentality that doesn't resonate with real life.  Certain groups have a history of being discriminated against in the US.  Bioware as a company HAS NO DUTY to provide freedom of speech or association on their forums.

If Bioware wants to allow homosexuals or homosexual-friendly people to post threads so that they can associate without people hating on them, then more power to them.

This has no effect on the players describing themselves as heterosexual.  Getting up and arms and going on some trolling internet crusade against bioware or homosexuals is more of a reflection of personal stupidity rather than anything on the part of Bioware.

I'm glad Bioware isn't pandering to racists, homophobes, and people who have no business caring about who else is playing the game.

So you are saying some discrimination is okay as long as you agree with it?

If you mean discrimination to mean that Bioware will allow homosexuals/homosexual friendly people to post looking for groups, but wouldn't hypothetically approve white supremacists, or neo-****s or other types of groups then absolutely.

Interesting.

So some discrimination is okay if we can get enough people to agree with it (so that it becomes mainsteam acceptance)?

[BluSoldier]

I believe your performance will decrease, DRUNK_CANADIAN. Why do I think this? When trying to impress a mate, which is what you will be trying to do in this situation whether you want to or not, a male of a species will often act reckless to boost his own image upon the females. Humans are no exception. Thus, I believe that while your aim and reflexes may get slightly better, you will try to be more macho, rush in, and get killed. There is a reason why they don't women on the front line in real life; it is becuase they don't want the men acting reckless.
-Blu
P.S. Guys, please stay on topic.  No here has even answered his question, lol.  Also, I think he is talking about playing with ACTUAL GIRLS, not anyone using a a female character, hur dur.

Modifié par BluSoldier, 20 février 2012 - 09:09 .

[13ip0lar]

N3xium_Crash wrote...

@13ip0lar : Exactly where did I bring up rights as it applies to religion or the LGBT movement. I have not you have brought that up and I was the one stamping that discussion out on my post as all it served was to derail the actual post itself and the goal of the group being formed. If you think somehow that you are a mod then you are sadly mistaken and I find no reason to read or respond to your remarks any further and won't.

Obviously you didn't read my post or didn't comprehend what I was saying and once again picked out what choice words there were and used them to suit your agenda. I simply stated that you were using a mods public approval as a soap box to go on a gay rights rant, and it is bordering on religious debate imo. You think you won't be stopped so you are going full-speed ahead with your rant, and have no signs of stopping, and it was all because of the approval of one mod. In any event it should be stopped, and that mod should be reprimanded for his action.

Modifié par 13ip0lar, 20 février 2012 - 09:08 .

[No Snakes Alive]

Oops, doble-posto. My bad.

Modifié par No Snakes Alive, 20 février 2012 - 09:10 .

[UK Wildcat]

Thoragoros wrote...

UK Wildcat wrote...


This is a stupid mentality that doesn't resonate with real life.  Certain groups have a history of being discriminated against in the US.  Bioware as a company HAS NO DUTY to provide freedom of speech or association on their forums.

If Bioware wants to allow homosexuals or homosexual-friendly people to post threads so that they can associate without people hating on them, then more power to them.

This has no effect on the players describing themselves as heterosexual.  Getting up and arms and going on some trolling internet crusade against bioware or homosexuals is more of a reflection of personal stupidity rather than anything on the part of Bioware.

I'm glad Bioware isn't pandering to racists, homophobes, and people who have no business caring about who else is playing the game.

You talking about "Tolerating Intolerance," which has nothing to do with what I said, and you know it.  I am talking about treating all people fairly, gay or straight, black or white.  Nowhere did I mention 'tolerating intolerance.'

To demonstrate what I mean,  if you have a group of 5 people, choosing to treat only 2 of those people 'fairly' because they are somehow different will create tension between those 2 people and 3 people that are not being treated with the same level of consideration as the other 2.  So, in order to create harmony, you treat all 5 of those people the same.

No matter how many times you try and rationalize people making these kinds of stupid threads mocking the other thread, Bioware is not infringing on the rights of heterosexuals by allowing threads like the other one for LGBT friendly players.

Bioware is not saying only homosexuals can post for recruitment.  Heterosexuals can already post for recruitment.

[UK Wildcat]

So some discrimination is okay if we can get enough people to agree with it (so that it becomes mainsteam acceptance)?

Not all discrimination is equal, rational, founded on valid reasons.  You are trying to equate the views of bigots with the views of people just trying for acceptance and looking for groups of people not trying to be discriminated against.

This is all irrelevant because Bioware is a private company and they don't condone homophobia.

[john129pats]

I'm wondering why my avatar is a chicken.

[13ip0lar]

Bebe77 wrote...

N3xium_Crash wrote...

I do not judge people for their sexual orientation. It is a non-issue, which is what it has become for the vast majority of people today.

Non-issue??? I trully wish that were true but obviously it isn't otherwise neither posts would exist.

 how do you have the nerve to sit here and say this thread is wrong when you have the exact same thing for gays??? if this tread is so terrible then so is yours, period

You forget a mod publicly endorsed him. For all intents and purposes he is 100% right and anyone out of line with his way of thinking is wrong. Hence his multiple posts about him reporting this thread and making sure everyone is fully aware he did so, even though as you say, they are exactly the same thing.

Modifié par 13ip0lar, 20 février 2012 - 09:14 .

[bayfield]

if you appreciate the synergy of having females on your team, you shouldn't be picky about their sexual preferences.

nuff said.