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[Request]- Asari Commando instead of Justicar

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#51
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Posté 21 février 2012 - 08:09

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Leave it as Justicar. Players want to play as something special not something significantly more common. I'm staggered this idea gained traction.

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Posté 21 février 2012 - 08:25

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Malanek999 wrote...

Leave it as Justicar. Players want to play as something special not something significantly more common. I'm staggered this idea gained traction.


SP is for that. These are common soldiers that are fightning the war. Good soldiers but not unique in any aspect other than their skill.

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Posté 21 février 2012 - 08:28

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Malanek999 wrote...

Leave it as Justicar. Players want to play as something special not something significantly more common. I'm staggered this idea gained traction.


If they where justicars, they should be more distinguishing on the battlefield, both viually and in terms of abilites.
The later, coupled with the fact that they are so rare, makes it much less suitable then Asari-commando - which is pretty special in it self. Justicar is more of a singleplayer character (too powerful and to rare compared to the multiplayer runts- they are in the same "Hero-class" as the main characters)

Modifié par Random citizen, 21 février 2012 - 08:30 .

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Posté 21 février 2012 - 08:35

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Random citizen wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Leave it as Justicar. Players want to play as something special not something significantly more common. I'm staggered this idea gained traction.


If they where justicars, they should be more distinguishing on the battlefield, both viually and in terms of abilites.
The later, coupled with the fact that they are so rare, makes it much less suitable then Asari-commando - which is pretty special in it self. Justicar is more of a singleplayer character (too powerful and to rare compared to the multiplayer runts- they are in the same "Hero-class" as the main characters)

Visually maybe, abilities are fine as is. I was under the impression that in the multiplayer you are playing an elite soldier no matter what class you play while you can't play a Justicar in SP. Therefore setting it as Justicar is fine.

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Posté 21 février 2012 - 08:38

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Justicar is more of a philosophy than a class or was in the ME2 story. Asari commando would have been the better choice for multi-play.

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Posté 21 février 2012 - 08:39

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Malanek999 wrote...

Random citizen wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Leave it as Justicar. Players want to play as something special not something significantly more common. I'm staggered this idea gained traction.


If they where justicars, they should be more distinguishing on the battlefield, both viually and in terms of abilites.
The later, coupled with the fact that they are so rare, makes it much less suitable then Asari-commando - which is pretty special in it self. Justicar is more of a singleplayer character (too powerful and to rare compared to the multiplayer runts- they are in the same "Hero-class" as the main characters)

Visually maybe, abilities are fine as is. I was under the impression that in the multiplayer you are playing an elite soldier no matter what class you play while you can't play a Justicar in SP. Therefore setting it as Justicar is fine.


Asari commandos are the asari elite soldiers. 

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Posté 21 février 2012 - 08:43

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Jestina wrote...

Justicar is more of a philosophy than a class or was in the ME2 story. Asari commando would have been the better choice for multi-play.


Its a small religious order focused on seeking out corruption and kicking serious ass
Kinda like this guy, but far more agressive and biotic:
;)

Modifié par Random citizen, 21 février 2012 - 08:48 .

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Posté 21 février 2012 - 08:44

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Random citizen wrote...
Asari commandos are the asari elite soldiers. 


They are, significantly, less elite and much less special than a Justicar. And they don't necessarily have exceptional biotic abilities for an Asari. The Justicar is a piece of lore in the ME world which many players may well want to play as. MP will probably be the only chance ever becaue I doubt the main character of a single player game will ever be an asari.

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Posté 21 février 2012 - 08:50

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Malanek999 wrote...

Random citizen wrote...
Asari commandos are the asari elite soldiers. 


They are, significantly, less elite and much less special than a Justicar. And they don't necessarily have exceptional biotic abilities for an Asari. The Justicar is a piece of lore in the ME world which many players may well want to play as. MP will probably be the only chance ever becaue I doubt the main character of a single player game will ever be an asari.


But they cant, as MP game balance makes it impossible to play as an Justicar beyond it being a name. It seems the gameplay fits the commando though.

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Posté 21 février 2012 - 08:57

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Random citizen wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Random citizen wrote...
Asari commandos are the asari elite soldiers. 


They are, significantly, less elite and much less special than a Justicar. And they don't necessarily have exceptional biotic abilities for an Asari. The Justicar is a piece of lore in the ME world which many players may well want to play as. MP will probably be the only chance ever becaue I doubt the main character of a single player game will ever be an asari.


But they cant, as MP game balance makes it impossible to play as an Justicar beyond it being a name. It seems the gameplay fits the commando though.

NO, I strongly disagree with this. In ME2 Samara was a peer to all the other crew mates because they were exceptional in their own right. Just as all the other multiplayer classes the player can choose are exceptional. Balance is fine. These are the best of the best who are going out to fight the reapers. Any Asari who joins a merc band to fight is a known as a commando and it underwhelming compared to a Justicar.

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Posté 21 février 2012 - 09:00

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Malanek999 wrote...
The Justicar is a piece of lore in the ME world which many players may well want to play as.

The Commando is a piece of lore in the ME world which many players may well want to play as, too. Just look at this thread.

And for what it's worth, it makes more sense in terms of setting consistency as well. Justicars are more like internal police, hence the name. Commandos are what happens when somebody manages to get onto the Asari Republic's sh*tlist.

At least realize that (a) you're not speaking for everybody and (B) some people may actually prefer playing an exceptional "cog in the wheel" rather than a snowflake superhero, as the latter is what singleplayer is for. Multiplayer is about a team of elite soldiers, not a group of unique champions that have people asking how they banded together in the first place. As Justicars are not members of the official Asari military and usually don't even leave their region of space it would require a background similar to Samara's in ME2 to explain their presence.
Plus, given the rarity of Justicars, how would it look if you have two of them in the same squad? Or three?

Modifié par Lynata, 21 février 2012 - 09:19 .

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Posté 21 février 2012 - 09:05

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I support consistency within lore and anonymous charaters' titles

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Posté 21 février 2012 - 10:24

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Should we create a poll or something??? Would that be helpful at all? O.o

So far I've seen only one person opposed to the change, and forgive me, no disrespect intended, but the argument is basically along the lines of "Commandos are common, I want to play *special" - at the detriment of lore consistency and everything else. Which is kind of the opposite of what this thread is trying to stand for.

Like I said in the OP, personal preferences aside, I would have been totally fine with Justicar if:
- Something in the full game, either in SP or MP, justified it somehow - no spoilers needed, just a simple "Noted." from BW would suffice. I trust them entirely and I do not think I'm owned anything. Judging solely from what we've seen in the MP demo, Asari Commando would be more appropriate in every way. That's all.

Finally, if somebody would be a dear and help me with the poll thing, I'd appreciate it and add the link to the OP. =)

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Posté 21 février 2012 - 10:43

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Would be nice if Bioware got notice of this. I think a poll would be good OP.

Here you go: 
http://social.biowar...51/polls/28692/ 

Modifié par D.Kain, 21 février 2012 - 10:45 .

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Posté 21 février 2012 - 10:46

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Malanek999 wrote...

Leave it as Justicar. Players want to play as something special not something significantly more common. I'm staggered this idea gained traction.

umm just asking how does Turian Veteran= Asari Justicar, i think commandos are just more equivilent to a Turian veteran or a Salarian STG member let alone a standard run of the mill alliance soldier

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Posté 21 février 2012 - 10:47

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yeah, asari justicar makes no sence at all

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Posté 21 février 2012 - 10:53

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D.Kain wrote...

Would be nice if Bioware got notice of this. I think a poll would be good OP.

Here you go: 
http://social.biowar...51/polls/28692/ 

Perfect, D.Kain! Thanks much!!!. =)
Added to the OP. Image IPB

Modifié par BhelShep, 21 février 2012 - 11:07 .

#68
D.Kain
Posté 22 février 2012 - 06:35

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going well so far.

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Posté 22 février 2012 - 07:21

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Aaaw, c'mon guys. Don't let this thread die! Asari Commandos are good people. Image IPB

#70
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Posté 22 février 2012 - 07:23

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Justicars may be special but they're also a bunch of crazies. Commandoes are cooler.

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Posté 22 février 2012 - 07:26

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Jestina wrote...

Arppis wrote...
Asari Commando is basicaly Asari Adept.


No, adepts are too squishy. Commando is more of a hybrid soldier/adept.


But they were squishy when my Soldier pasted them against the walls! B)

I never saw them do anything Vanguard-like and Adept acts in more subtle ways as commando should.

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D.Kain
Posté 23 février 2012 - 05:49

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So, think they will change it?

#73
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Posté 23 février 2012 - 05:51

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Agreed. Unless Samara is making a cameo in MP it should be commando.

PS: I HATE "Don't care" options in votes. If you don't care about it then don't vote. Let the people who DO care voice their opinions.

Modifié par iamsnakemaster, 23 février 2012 - 05:54 .

#74
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Posté 23 février 2012 - 05:54

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iamsnakemaster wrote...

Agreed. Unless Samara is making a cameo in MP it should be commando.


She can't. All players made different choices, and some of them have her dead. So MP should work for any plot combinaton.

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Posté 23 février 2012 - 06:06

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I agree, this should be commando.

Justicars are ultra-rare individuals who enforce Asari Law.

Commandos are the Elite Asari soldiers.
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