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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

The Asari MP characters class skill being Justicar seems strange. Did all of them make the oath of submission? I was also under the impression that in MP you are supposed to play soldiers that are a tier or two below Shepard and his squad. So just playing as a "common" commando makes more sense.

And on the note of strange class names. Could we please change Liara's "pure biotic" to "Asari broker"?

Modifié par Lizardviking, 23 février 2012 - 06:13 .

[EsterCloat]

I support changing it to Commandos.

[Shane Ashkore]

Have any of you actually read the different races passive class titles?
 Salarians are Operatives ( havent got the class yet but several friends have), Drell is an Assassin, Krogan is a Berserker, Turian is a Veteran, Quarian is a Defender, and the topic of this post Asari Justicar. All of the alien classes are experienced fighters with years of experience, Humans included.
Its not a simple war its a war for survival and everyones pulling out all the stops to see the Reapers stopped. The gloves are off its fight or die, and I dont know about any of you but Im going to use every single weapon I can to stop them even if it means breaking some old traditions. Also Im seeing alot of "sneaky Commandos" in posts here you realise Mass effects Commandos are just more damaging with their powers and weapons not stealthy like our modern commandos.
Im happy that I get to play an Asari Justicar, it fits well within the lore that the Asari are powerful biotics and their Justicars are the most powerful they have. Also using Samara as an indication for the multiplayer, what is the adepts evasive move? She pushes herself like Samara does when you meet her.

[D.Kain]

Shane Ashkore wrote...

Have any of you actually read the different races passive class titles?
 Salarians are Operatives ( havent got the class yet but several friends have), Drell is an Assassin, Krogan is a Berserker, Turian is a Veteran, Quarian is a Defender, and the topic of this post Asari Justicar. All of the alien classes are experienced fighters with years of experience, Humans included.
Its not a simple war its a war for survival and everyones pulling out all the stops to see the Reapers stopped. The gloves are off its fight or die, and I dont know about any of you but Im going to use every single weapon I can to stop them even if it means breaking some old traditions. Also Im seeing alot of "sneaky Commandos" in posts here you realise Mass effects Commandos are just more damaging with their powers and weapons not stealthy like our modern commandos.
Im happy that I get to play an Asari Justicar, it fits well within the lore that the Asari are powerful biotics and their Justicars are the most powerful they have. Also using Samara as an indication for the multiplayer, what is the adepts evasive move? She pushes herself like Samara does when you meet her.

Commando name sticks better with other class names than Justicar. 

Otherwise it would have to be:

Salarian/Turian Genaral, Drell/Krogan Chief Assasin/Warlord, Quarian elder. Or something along those lines.

[Deleran]

Agree that it should be changed to commando. Justicars are implied to be far more rare and powerful than their ubiquity in multiplayer would suggest.

[Rustedknight]

I would also agree that commando is more in keeping with the lore and the titles of the other classes.

[BiO]

The default face for the Asari doesn't look like a justicar as well. Shouldn't justicars be more, well, elder? Then again, the only one we've ever seen is Samara...

[Random citizen]

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Asari_Commando

Modifié par Random citizen, 23 février 2012 - 06:43 .

[Lynata]

Arppis wrote...
I never saw them do anything Vanguard-like and Adept acts in more subtle ways as commando should.

Asari Commandos are basically guerilla fighters, I'd say this includes a "subtle" fighting style fitting perfectly to the Adept.

Codex Entry: Asari Military Doctrine

Shane Ashkore wrote...
Salarians are Operatives ( havent got the class yet but several friends have), Drell is an Assassin, Krogan is a Berserker, Turian is a Veteran, Quarian is a Defender, and the topic of this post Asari Justicar. All of the alien classes are experienced fighters with years of experience, Humans included.

That's the thing, all of this applies to Asari Commandos much more than it does to Asari Justicars. We don't even have to consider the immense rarity of the latter - who do you think has more experience fighting in an all-out war as a member of a team? An actual soldier of the Asari military, or their version of a lone Texas Ranger?

Shane Ashkore wrote...
Im happy that I get to play an Asari Justicar, it fits well within the lore that the Asari are powerful biotics and their Justicars are the most powerful they have.

The last bit is not true, anyways. Justicars aren't even part of the Asari military, their title denotes the profession alone - it has nothing to do with their actual capabilities. Whilst it is much harder to become a Justicar than a Commando, I'm pretty sure there are a number of veteran Huntresses who are equal in terms of martial prowess.

Modifié par Lynata, 23 février 2012 - 06:51 .

[Shane Ashkore]

Lynata wrote...

Codex Entry: Asari Military Doctrine

Shane Ashkore wrote...
Salarians are Operatives ( havent got the class yet but several friends have), Drell is an Assassin, Krogan is a Berserker, Turian is a Veteran, Quarian is a Defender, and the topic of this post Asari Justicar. All of the alien classes are experienced fighters with years of experience, Humans included.

That's the thing, all of this applies to Asari Commandos much more than it does to Asari Justicars. We don't even have to consider the immense rarity of the latter - who do you think has more experience fighting in an all-out war as a member of a team? An actual soldier of the Asari military, or their version of a lone Texas Ranger?

Who says we have only access to the Asari military? And reading their combat style they fight in pairs of Huntresses not groups. Also to the experience line heres the codex line on Justicars "Although justicars generally work alone, their effectiveness arises from the huge body of knowledge they can access. Any asari who enters the ranks of justicars has already spent centuries in a combination of criminal investigation, military intelligence, and combat experience; the collective body of justicar knowledge exceeds even that of the Spectres." So their Lone Rangers line is inaccurate too, these are not just some Asari cop but basicaly veteran Commandos who have more knowldge that they can draw upon. 

Shane Ashkore wrote...
Im happy that I get to play an Asari Justicar, it fits well within the lore that the Asari are powerful biotics and their Justicars are the most powerful they have.

The last bit is not true, anyways. Justicars aren't even part of the Asari military, their title denotes the profession alone - it has nothing to do with their actual capabilities. Whilst it is much harder to become a Justicar than a Commando, I'm pretty sure there are a number of veteran Huntresses who are equal in terms of martial prowess.

 As for the Justicars title having nothing to with their abilities I quote the site "Trained for extreme-strength, biotic capacity, resourcefulness, asceticism, and ruthlessness, the fanatical justicars are romanticized and feared throughout asari society. " To me this seems like they are more powerful than Commandos.

Read the codex entry on the Asari Justicar and Commando, I just did and both seem to fit to me as either could play a role in ME3s multiplayer but moreso with the Justicar than Commando.

Interms of skills and power the Justicars seem like the Spartans from Halo, both are the best of the best,, they have the hardest trainging, best gear, and best education and information to draw upon. 

However I see one BIG problem with this discussion that all of us have, we dont have alot of information from Bioware on exactly what both forces, and what they have to do to become one or how rare they both are.

[D.Kain]

Deleran wrote...

Agree that it should be changed to commando. Justicars are implied to be far more rare and powerful than their ubiquity in multiplayer would suggest.

This, a justicar could probably clean out a location alone. They are not about working in teams.

[Lynata]

Shane Ashkore wrote...
As for the Justicars title having nothing to with their abilities I quote the site "Trained for extreme-strength, biotic capacity, resourcefulness, asceticism, and ruthlessness, the fanatical justicars are romanticized and feared throughout asari society. " To me this seems like they are more powerful than Commandos.

All Asari huntresses are trained for extrem strength, biotic capacity and resourcefulness. Asceticism and ruthlessness are not traits that inherently serve to increase their battlefield capabilities. And Justicars are romanticized due to their convictions about duty, and feared because of their merciless nature. This, too, has nothing to do with their actual combat proficiency.

Shane Ashkore wrote...
Interms of skills and power the Justicars seem like the Spartans from Halo, both are the best of the best,, they have the hardest trainging, best gear, and best education and information to draw upon.

And much of this education is aimed at investigation and pursueing criminals as a lone wolf, not working in a military unit as part of a large scale war effort. As the Codex entry says, the Justicars are executioners. Not soldiers.

Shane Ashkore wrote...
However I see one BIG problem with this discussion that all of us have, we dont have alot of information from Bioware on exactly what both forces, and what they have to do to become one or how rare they both are.

I don't know, I think the Codex entries are fairly clear on that. I suppose our differing opinions could just be a matter of interpretation, though.

Modifié par Lynata, 23 février 2012 - 11:27 .

[Shane Ashkore]

I agree its probably interpertation. Wheres a Bioware creator to comment on this when we need one?

[Haasth]

Yes.
Justicar made me giggle like a little schoolgirl first time around.

[Egilovich]

+1

[D.Kain]

Keep this going! =)

[eye basher]

Is the war to end all wars you'd think you'd want the best of the best and the justicars are the best.

[D.Kain]

eye basher wrote...

Is the war to end all wars you'd think you'd want the best of the best and the justicars are the best.

Best of the best are in SP.

Maybe we should have spectres on the missions then? They are best of the best. But you don't get Krogan/Quarian/Drell spectres.

Modifié par D.Kain, 24 février 2012 - 01:50 .

[D.Kain]

iamsnakemaster wrote...
PS: I HATE "Don't care" options in votes. If you don't care about it then don't vote. Let the people who DO care voice their opinions.

Actually the "I don't care", group usually plays in favor of the winning side, because the change of any subject wouldn't make them feel bad.

[D.Kain]

franciscoamell wrote...

I actually see no problems with the Asari Adept being a justicar and not a commando, makes her more unique, commando would be really generic.

Well why not name a human class plumber hm? That would be pretty unique! Who cares if it's out of place. 

[D.Kain]

franciscoamell wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

I actually see no problems with the Asari Adept being a justicar and not a commando, makes her more unique, commando would be really generic.

Well why not name a human class plumber hm? That would be pretty unique! Who cares if it's out of place. 

Why are skilled biotic warriors fighting the biggest threats to the galaxy out of place? 

It's not that, but the fact that they are not a part of millitary, and don't work in teams. Also their power is beyond a mere special force team. That is why Spectres are not a part of that team as well.

As I said, I can see a Justicar working for the cause, securing an area completely on her own, that would her style.

[WarGriffin]

john129pats wrote...

Have you faced an Asari commando unit before? Few humans have.

Shepard:... about 7

Kaiden:... Yeah seven's about right

Garrus:I'm pretty sure it was 8.

Kaiden: No those were Krogan painted blue

Garrus: Ah yes sorry

Gloating Asari: What you've have faced 7 units of Asari in your measely life time!

Garrus: Lifetime no.

Kaiden: About 3 hours ago.


and I agree as a lore nut, Commandoes would make more sense

Modifié par WarGriffin, 24 février 2012 - 03:35 .