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[AkiKishi]

Getorex wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Corvus Metus wrote...

You're missing a lot of great content by ignoring fantasy - and I'm not just referring to video games (although Baldur's Gate II is still the best damn game ever) in my opinion. To each his own, at the end of the day.

Oh no you DIDN'T say that.  The original Deus Ex is THE best video game ever created.  End of story.  

Baldur's Gate II...more sword and sorcery meh bleh.  All sword and sorcery is the same - it is all just rehashing the original board RPG "Dungeons and Dragons". All you can do is rehash the same stuff again and again and again and again with better graphics. There are no new sword and sorcery stories, only do-overs. 
 

That's a remarkably simplistic view given that ME is a rehash of various Sci Fi plots that have come before. Reapers -Shadows from B5. Geth - Cylons from Galactica etc.

Actually, at least Geth (machine intelligence) and Reapers fall within speculative science (look up the term "The Great Silence".  It refers to the faiure, thus far, for Seti to pick up anything, the fact that there are no ETs or evidence of ETs anywhere in any form.  The Great Silence has a handful of possible reasons, not sci-fi or fantasy reasons, and one of them is roughly Reaper-like.  It is also much more likely that machine intelligence will be what would be found "out there" than biologicals (thus Geth are vastly more likely than Turians, etc).  There is zero chance for sorcery, wizards, dragons, etc.  So at least the stories are in the ballpark of reason. 

Also, check out the hard sci-fi of Greg Bear, Gregory Benford, Stephen Baxter.  Maybe some Charles Stross. 

So, your saying you like Sci Fi because it might be real?

[Soverign 666]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Shepard ! I thought you were dead.
I got better.

Everyone is remarkably blase about your being risen from the dead. The implications are staggering but in ME2 its barely worth a mention.

Wow that quote was meant to be a joke by the writers. Im sorry ive tried to restrain from personal insults but are you an idiot? Jesus christ i know the people on these forumns are the best writers ever and bioware sucks at making games. I dont understand how bioware employees can stomach reading through these forumns and their fans overblown egos because i know it pisses me off to no end. I know not all of you are like this I had some really good disscussion on this thread but it seems more and more its just baseless negetivity to try and make yourselves feel smart.

NOw that ive finished that rant does anyone have anything worthwile to contribute to this disscussion?

[Getorex]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Corvus Metus wrote...

You're missing a lot of great content by ignoring fantasy - and I'm not just referring to video games (although Baldur's Gate II is still the best damn game ever) in my opinion. To each his own, at the end of the day.

Oh no you DIDN'T say that.  The original Deus Ex is THE best video game ever created.  End of story.  

Baldur's Gate II...more sword and sorcery meh bleh.  All sword and sorcery is the same - it is all just rehashing the original board RPG "Dungeons and Dragons". All you can do is rehash the same stuff again and again and again and again with better graphics. There are no new sword and sorcery stories, only do-overs. 
 

That's a remarkably simplistic view given that ME is a rehash of various Sci Fi plots that have come before. Reapers -Shadows from B5. Geth - Cylons from Galactica etc.

Actually, at least Geth (machine intelligence) and Reapers fall within speculative science (look up the term "The Great Silence".  It refers to the faiure, thus far, for Seti to pick up anything, the fact that there are no ETs or evidence of ETs anywhere in any form.  The Great Silence has a handful of possible reasons, not sci-fi or fantasy reasons, and one of them is roughly Reaper-like.  It is also much more likely that machine intelligence will be what would be found "out there" than biologicals (thus Geth are vastly more likely than Turians, etc).  There is zero chance for sorcery, wizards, dragons, etc.  So at least the stories are in the ballpark of reason. 

Also, check out the hard sci-fi of Greg Bear, Gregory Benford, Stephen Baxter.  Maybe some Charles Stross. 

So, your saying you like Sci Fi because it might be real?

The type of scifi matters.  Hard scifi tends to be more "real" than other.  You can take what is speculative but not "real", though theoretically possible, and run with that.  In theory, wormholes could be used to traverse vast distances.  We can't do that, cannot even demonstrate they exist but they are fully within accepted theory.  There's running with that and then there's making stuff up without any basis in reality or accepted theory and running with that.  You understand the difference right?  The Alcubierre drive (google it)  is a theoretical faster-than-light drive that doesn't violate relativity and doesn't actually violate the universal speed limit, per se.  No mass, no particle can exceed the speed of light.  There is nothing that says that space itself cannot exceed the speed of light and, in fact, it HAD to at an early point during the Big Bang (Inflationary period).  It would be an actual "warp drive" because it operates on the fabric of space-time, causing the small bubble of space that your ship sits in to move at greater than the speed of light.  Your ship would "ride the wave" but never itself exceed the speed of light within the local space.  Faster than light travel without actually travelling that fast and violating any physical laws.  No one knows how to make such a thing, as yet, but it is theoretically possible and well within what is permitted by accepted theory.  Using it in a story or game would be scifi because it doesn't exist at present but is based on what theory allows.  Hard scifi.

I simply prefer scifi over fantasy.  Don't like magic, don't like swords, don't like crossbows, don't like dragons and castles and all the trappings.  Just don't like them. 

[Getorex]

Soverign 666 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Shepard ! I thought you were dead.
I got better.

Everyone is remarkably blase about your being risen from the dead. The implications are staggering but in ME2 its barely worth a mention.

Wow that quote was meant to be a joke by the writers. Im sorry ive tried to restrain from personal insults but are you an idiot? Jesus christ i know the people on these forumns are the best writers ever and bioware sucks at making games. I dont understand how bioware employees can stomach reading through these forumns and their fans overblown egos because i know it pisses me off to no end. I know not all of you are like this I had some really good disscussion on this thread but it seems more and more its just baseless negetivity to try and make yourselves feel smart.

NOw that ive finished that rant does anyone have anything worthwile to contribute to this disscussion?

Yes, that particular comment was a joke.  However the overall point is/was valid.  No one, not a soul, was surprized or taken aback by the dead Shepard being not dead.  Garrus was very blase, Ashley was rather a bit pissy but not jazzed.  Liara wasn't blown away.  Tali was all, "Oh!  Well look what the cat drug in."  The proper response would have been variations of the Kirk-Spock interaction from the TV series when Spock, in heat, thinks he killed Kirk in the fight for the vulcan hottie.  The normally controlled Spock practically exploded, grabbed Kirk and spun him around in joy and surprise (until he got 'hold of himself again).  THAT was a proper response to someone thought dead and gone turning out to be alive and well.  That was a jarring bit in ME2 that I didn't like.  Not earth shattering, not story wrecking, but disconfitting.

[The Executioner]

No.

Modifié par The Executioner, 22 février 2012 - 05:11 .

[AlanC9]

Getorex wrote...
Baldur's Gate II...more sword and sorcery meh bleh.  All sword and sorcery is the same - it is all just rehashing the original board RPG "Dungeons and Dragons".

This is an extremely silly argument. BG2 is Dungeons and Dragons. It's not a rehash, it's the real thing.

Though this isn't much less silly:

All you can do is rehash the same stuff again and again and again and again with better graphics. There are no new sword and sorcery stories, only do-overs.  

And SF stories are original? You're serious?

You were doing much better when you said that you simply didn't like fantasy.

Modifié par AlanC9, 22 février 2012 - 05:17 .

[Gruzmog]

That certain types of creatures have been thought of before has no relevance on wether its a good story or not. The great evil that comes to destroy all, has been done countless times, it's how you tell it and what happens on the way that makes the story stick or not

[tonnactus]

Getorex wrote...

I simply prefer scifi over fantasy.  Don't like magic, don't like swords, don't like crossbows, don't like dragons and castles and all the trappings.  Just don't like them. 

Biotics are nothing more then space magic. The new cerberus harlekin enemy named  "phantom" even use swords as their primary weapon...
And acrobatics to avoid being shot on the battlefield. So how it comes you like Mass Effect at all?

[Gabey5]

SirEtchwart wrote...

My only real issue I had with Mass Effect 2 was "Oh, you're fighting the Collectors."


Two hours later...

"Nope, never mind, fight every mercenary in the universe instead, because LAWL PLOT"

yup

we could have battled with the collectors on other planets, they could have given the collectors more than one ship.

Modifié par Gabey5, 22 février 2012 - 10:42 .

[Rinor]

It wasn't remarkably good but it was decent enough to not offend my intelligence unlike Mass Effect 3. The writing in the ME3 demo was so horribly bad, I felt insulted. This was truly the worst piece of writing I've read in a video game in years.

[Corvus Metus]

tonnactus wrote...

Getorex wrote...

I simply prefer scifi over fantasy.  Don't like magic, don't like swords, don't like crossbows, don't like dragons and castles and all the trappings.  Just don't like them. 

Biotics are nothing more then space magic. The new cerberus harlekin enemy named  "phantom" even use swords as their primary weapon...
And acrobatics to avoid being shot on the battlefield. So how it comes you like Mass Effect at all?

That's the thing a lot of people seem to forget.   The Mass Effect series is not science fiction, its heroic fantasy with space age paint job.

You have Shepard, who even in the first game, is painted as the chosen one /messiah. The alien races fit closer into fantasy archetypes than science fiction.  Hell, even the Reapers are less "evil AI" and more "comsic horror".  

[ODST 5723]

Plinkett wrote...

Do you think the Mass Effect 2 dialogue was bad, because after playing the Mass Effect 3 demo I'd say even predator had great dialogue!

Predator did have great dialogue.  Everything that Blaine said was gold

[Soverign 666]

Rinor wrote...

It wasn't remarkably good but it was decent enough to not offend my intelligence unlike Mass Effect 3. The writing in the ME3 demo was so horribly bad, I felt insulted. This was truly the worst piece of writing I've read in a video game in years.

You must not play a lot of video game then