Aller au contenu

Need N7 level filtering in matchmaking.


  • Veuillez vous connecter pour répondre
26 réponses à ce sujet

#1
Guest_chief0390_*

Guest_chief0390_*
  • Guests
I'm sure a lot of people looking to beat gold and silver challenges are tired of entering a lobby filled with level 1 and 2 players that will just end up being cannon fodder. Because players can change characters in lobby, it would be an issue to sort out low level characters that may or may not be an experienced player with multiple characters. I think it would really help out to have a filter in matchmaking that allows you to find players that are close to your N7 level. That way, you would be matched up with people that are at least experienced MP players and not the guys that are trying MP for the first time.

Does anyone else thing this would help?

#2
Arppis

Arppis
  • Members
  • 12 750 messages
I just want to play. If I play with randoms, I go for bronze and have mindless fun. If I want to do well, I play with friends.

#3
Guest_chief0390_*

Guest_chief0390_*
  • Guests
I feel you on that, but a lot of my friends are non-believers when it comes to Mass Effect or they play on PS3. :(

#4
Bravo0o

Bravo0o
  • Members
  • 81 messages
Posted Image
-ME3's Matchmaking system at work, each ball representing a player.

Modifié par Bravo0o, 20 février 2012 - 10:49 .


#5
neubourn

neubourn
  • Members
  • 1 397 messages

chief0390 wrote...

I feel you on that, but a lot of my friends are non-believers when it comes to Mass Effect or they play on PS3. :(


Find some new friends. There are plenty of good players on this site that play, you can find players for any platform.

Its a 4 player co-op, so it isnt that difficult to find friends to play with, you only need 3 others.

#6
MeheecanHamster

MeheecanHamster
  • Members
  • 6 messages
level=/=skill.

#7
Bravo0o

Bravo0o
  • Members
  • 81 messages

MeheecanHamster wrote...

level=/=skill.

level = skill points.
;)

#8
Guest_chief0390_*

Guest_chief0390_*
  • Guests
I know that a high N7 level doesn't necessarily mean that player is better than another. I don't think there would be a huge difference between an N7 level 23 and 58. I'm just saying that a higher level means they are much more likely to be familiar with the ins and outs of the game. I'd rather play with someone that's N7 33 than N7 4 any day.

#9
Guest_chief0390_*

Guest_chief0390_*
  • Guests

Bravo0o wrote...

MeheecanHamster wrote...

level=/=skill.

level = skill points.
;)


This is another reason. Even if you're a total boss at the game, you're probably not going to be much help on silver and gold with a low level character. The stats simply aren't there to be effective.

#10
The_mango55

The_mango55
  • Members
  • 888 messages
N7 level 20 with a level 20 character will probably be better than an n7 level 60 with 6 level 10 characters.

I'm n7 level 90 and I wouldn't consider myself exceptionally awesome. I'm good with some classes but I get pwned when I'm using my Human Adept and especially my Drell Vanguard.

#11
minianthunter

minianthunter
  • Members
  • 164 messages
I really only enjoy playing the infiltrator, and my only other levels are from what ever I get in veteran packs and when I played the krogan soldier for the face smashing melee goofing off in bronze. But when it comes to retail I don't plan on playing much other than the infiltrator, would you not want to group with me if I was only like N7 25?

#12
Guest_chief0390_*

Guest_chief0390_*
  • Guests

minianthunter wrote...

I really only enjoy playing the infiltrator, and my only other levels are from what ever I get in veteran packs and when I played the krogan soldier for the face smashing melee goofing off in bronze. But when it comes to retail I don't plan on playing much other than the infiltrator, would you not want to group with me if I was only like N7 25?


No, the suggestion was mainly just to stay away from N7 1-5. You know. People that are playing the game for the first time. I know the idea isn't perfect, but it is a potential method for keeping you from playing with beginners when you jump into a silver/gold game. It's nothing against them, but they have no idea what they are getting themselves into and it's very unlikely that they will be a help to your team. I know that the N7 level isn't an indicator of player skill, but it could keep you from playing with someone that is either trying MP for the first time or has only played a couple of matches. I run into so many players level 1-5 on silver and I get tired of constantly looking for another match in the hope of finding players that will at least have a chance against silver enemies.

#13
Kileyan

Kileyan
  • Members
  • 1 923 messages
I'm on the other end, I wouldn't mind a better match making system to. I just finished playing the single player demo with a few classes. The game is not even out, and the multiplayer is what........10 days old or so?

It seems every bronze game I join is level 16+ people who instantly leave when a level 1 fills a slot. I don't blame them for wanting a "solid" group for their own free time entertainment, but I sorta have to start somewhere:) Its not like I am trying to jump into hard areas and leech some levels. I'm having a hard time getting started at all. I imagine this will be much much worse when release comes and anyone starting 2 weeks behind the curve will be a pariah to groups without some matchmaking.

Then again maybe I am missing something obvious, are there certain categories or something I should be clicking on to make sure I have the best chance to join people more my experience level. I know this isn't a head to head competitive game, but I am timid about joining game with people far above me, watching some leave the game before it even starts. I feel like I am ruining others chance to have their kind of fun...........but again I have to start somewhere! :)

Modifié par Kileyan, 21 février 2012 - 04:30 .


#14
Homey C-Dawg

Homey C-Dawg
  • Members
  • 7 499 messages
There do seem to be an annoyingly larger number of low level players in silver than there are in bronze.

#15
HolyAvenger

HolyAvenger
  • Members
  • 13 848 messages

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

There do seem to be an annoyingly larger number of low level players in silver than there are in bronze.


This is also due to a glitch in the matchmaking system. I got dumped into a silver lobby then a silver game after doing a bronze search.

:?

#16
mrtspence

mrtspence
  • Members
  • 5 messages

chief0390 wrote...

minianthunter wrote...

I really only enjoy playing the infiltrator, and my only other levels are from what ever I get in veteran packs and when I played the krogan soldier for the face smashing melee goofing off in bronze. But when it comes to retail I don't plan on playing much other than the infiltrator, would you not want to group with me if I was only like N7 25?


No, the suggestion was mainly just to stay away from N7 1-5. You know. People that are playing the game for the first time. I know the idea isn't perfect, but it is a potential method for keeping you from playing with beginners when you jump into a silver/gold game. It's nothing against them, but they have no idea what they are getting themselves into and it's very unlikely that they will be a help to your team. I know that the N7 level isn't an indicator of player skill, but it could keep you from playing with someone that is either trying MP for the first time or has only played a couple of matches. I run into so many players level 1-5 on silver and I get tired of constantly looking for another match in the hope of finding players that will at least have a chance against silver enemies.


I vehemently disagree with this idea. I just tried the multiplayer for the first time today and it took me about 25 minutes to find a match with anybody as everyone either kicked me from the lobby or left the lobby when I joined. It was incredibly unpleasant and trying to play solo is impossible at lvl 1. As soon as I found a match, I was able to participate ably in the team, placing 3rd of 4 despite starting on the silver difficulty with teammates whose N7 ratings were in the twenties at least. To top it off, I went straight from level 1 to level 7 after my first proper mission, making the "1-5 are noobs" argument completely null, as I was very much new to the game and was level 7.

This game is not at all challenging to learn, it took me maybe the first two waves to figure out how to play and be effective. You are absolutely kidding yourself if you think there needs to be some system hardcoded in to prevent new players from playing for fear of them ruining the game--your elitism is not suited to this game, leave it in DOTA 2.

Besides, dozens of people proved that you don't need a built-in system to prevent new people from playing for extended periods of time; everyone will just kick you from the lobby for 20+ minutes, postponing your chances to gain any actual experience in the mulitplayer anyways.

#17
Mand0l1n

Mand0l1n
  • Members
  • 440 messages
Well said mrtspence! If people want a "serious" game then grab some likeminded friends and don't try to dictate what goes on in the open public space.

#18
ElementL09

ElementL09
  • Members
  • 1 997 messages
The higher your N7 level is, the more experience you have playing as certain classes. That experience makes you better then a player starting out.

Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer would benefit from a skill system. Matchmaking players based on there N7 level isn't a bad idea. A skilled player can do work with a low level character. I would really like this system or just a general ranking system (trueskill?) because there are times when I feel like I'm the only one putting in work in challenge when compared to my teammates. Granted we win the challenge most of time but it would be nice to have a little competition for once and not be mvp every game.

#19
Guest_Aotearas_*

Guest_Aotearas_*
  • Guests

MeheecanHamster wrote...

level=/=skill.


Actually, wrong in this case.

I had that three times in a row, tried gold and never got to it because at least one level one dude thought it would obviously be a great idea to start his very first character on the highest possible difficulty level.

And I don't mean class level 1. I mean N7 level 1 AND, of course then, class level 1. So that guy is effectively just dead meat either lying around because everyone is busy or being left to die and then watch because no one cares enough to revive somebady that's dead in the next three seconds.


Non-leveled characters simply can't pull their weight in gold difficulty, hell I doubt they could even hold their turf on silver unless others bail them out.

There should indeed be a class level requirement for entering the different difficulties, like level 5 for silver and level 10 for gold, so whomever thinks he can handle it at a low level can do, but at least has got a character that is not only bloody lead for his teammates.

#20
frustratemyself

frustratemyself
  • Members
  • 1 956 messages
Given the way the N7 rating is calculated I doubt matchmaking based on that would really work so well.

@Kileyan there are some people that don't take a lot of notice of the N7 rating so set the challenge level to bronze and keep trying if you want to play. I certainly don't pay much attention to it cause my playing can be a bit hit and miss at times.

#21
kromify

kromify
  • Members
  • 1 292 messages
what you really need to play gold, and silver too, is a headset. coordination and teamwork is essential - not n7. i despair of the number of people who can talk but won't.

my n7 is 90-something because i've played all classes, but it sometimes makes me a worse player because when i switch to infiltrator i'm still on krogan headsmashing mode.

#22
TexasToast712

TexasToast712
  • Members
  • 4 384 messages

chief0390 wrote...

I'm sure a lot of people looking to beat gold and silver challenges are tired of entering a lobby filled with level 1 and 2 players that will just end up being cannon fodder. Because players can change characters in lobby, it would be an issue to sort out low level characters that may or may not be an experienced player with multiple characters. I think it would really help out to have a filter in matchmaking that allows you to find players that are close to your N7 level. That way, you would be matched up with people that are at least experienced MP players and not the guys that are trying MP for the first time.

Does anyone else thing this would help?

You sound like a MLG player crying about Halo's stupid trueskill system. I hate you now.

#23
TLK Spires

TLK Spires
  • Members
  • 1 344 messages
class level filtering would be better, but considering you can switch what class you play in the lobby, that wouldnt work. and n7 level is currently only reflective of play time. so nope, not a whole lot of benefit there.

#24
marshalleck

marshalleck
  • Members
  • 15 645 messages
I think what would be better is quick match not defaulting totally new players to silver.

Also, as someone else mentioned above, there is a glitch where you can specifically search for bronze games, but get put into silver or gold anyways. So calm your rage. People may not be doing it on purpose.

Modifié par marshalleck, 21 février 2012 - 10:00 .


#25
Guest_chief0390_*

Guest_chief0390_*
  • Guests

mrtspence wrote...



I vehemently disagree with this idea. I just tried the multiplayer for the first time today and it took me about 25 minutes to find a match with anybody as everyone either kicked me from the lobby or left the lobby when I joined. It was incredibly unpleasant and trying to play solo is impossible at lvl 1. As soon as I found a match, I was able to participate ably in the team, placing 3rd of 4 despite starting on the silver difficulty with teammates whose N7 ratings were in the twenties at least. To top it off, I went straight from level 1 to level 7 after my first proper mission, making the "1-5 are noobs" argument completely null, as I was very much new to the game and was level 7.

This game is not at all challenging to learn, it took me maybe the first two waves to figure out how to play and be effective. You are absolutely kidding yourself if you think there needs to be some system hardcoded in to prevent new players from playing for fear of them ruining the game--your elitism is not suited to this game, leave it in DOTA 2.

Besides, dozens of people proved that you don't need a built-in system to prevent new people from playing for extended periods of time; everyone will just kick you from the lobby for 20+ minutes, postponing your chances to gain any actual experience in the mulitplayer anyways.


Look, I'm not trying to say that low level players suck. I've already said that level is NOT an indication of skill. From my observations, low level players normally can't handle the challenge that silver + throws at them. Maybe you can, and I'm sure there are others like you, but there's probably only one of you for every 10 level 1-5's that I run into (most of which normally quit after being killed several times, leaving us even worse off). I've had succesful matches with low level players that could hold their own on silver, but they are very few and far between.

Also, I want to point out that this only applies to silver and up. I don't mind playing with anybody on bronze matches, because they're not that difficult. I don't understand why you would kick anybody in a bronze match. But for silver, most low levels just can't handle (yes, there ARE exceptions, but not many) and just end up quitting 2 waves in.

Besides, you never said why my idea was bad. If you could filter by level, you could match yourself up with other beginners and having that ability would probably weed out the high level players that just want to kick out all the beginners. I think you would still be much more likely to find a game using this.