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[idspisp0pd]

crimzontearz wrote...

"if I could suggest anything it would be to add a skip button for combat"

please.....DO NOT LISTEN TO HER SUGGESTIONS

what people did to her was wrong but COME ON!!! Did you see/read the interview? thank god she is just a writer!

I don't see what's so bad about it. I like the combat and wouldn't skip it, but what's wrong with more options, at least in a game like ME where the story is one of the main attractions?

[AxisEvolve]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...
Hey.

Genius.

Look at my first post.

Guess what I said? I said, "what they're doing is wrong."

Once again, people are stuck in their black-and-white world. She CAN be NOT right, and still undeserving of the hate.

You humans. *shakes head*

You're single-handedly going to get this thread locked.

[Insane 1]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Insane 1 wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Insane 1 wrote...

The stupidity behind your 'arguement' does not need a 'comeback' or a proper response. Your simple-minded self can't even think of a logical reason why the harassment isn't necessary, yet, you seem to stand behind it as if you're the douche who were part of it.

Hey.

Genius.

Look at my first post.

Guess what I said? I said, "what they're doing is wrong."

Once again, people are stuck in their black-and-white world. She CAN be NOT right, and still undeserving of the hate.

You humans. *shakes head*

By you saying she isn't completely innocent for having an opinion, within itself, it partially justifying their actions.

Insane, that is.

[C9316]

Is 4chan taking over the internet now!? Oh silly me, 4chan has been doing that since it was made...

[LinksOcarina]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

More like, BW writer says:

"I don't like playing games."

"I think all cutscenes need to be completely skippable."

THEN gamers hate on her.

What they're doing is wrong, but she isn't exactly "innocent," for lack of a better word.

More like Context of  what Hepler said is....

 Playing the games. This is probably a terrible thing to admit, but it has definitely been the single most difficult thing for me. I came into the job out of a love of writing, not a love of playing games. While I enjoy the interactive aspects of gaming, if a game doesn't have a good story, it's very hard for me to get interested in playing it. Similarly, I'm really terrible at so many things which most games use incessantly -- I have awful hand-eye coordination, I don't like tactics, I don't like fighting, I don't like keeping track of inventory, and I can't read a game map to save my life. This makes it very difficult for me to play to the myriad games I really should be keeping up on as our competition.

And with a baby on the way in a few months, my minimal free time (which makes it impossible for me to finish a big RPG in less than six months already), will disappear entirely. If there was a fast-forward feature on games which would let me easily review the writing and stories and skip the features that I find more frustrating than fun, I'd find it much easier to keep abreast of what's happening in the field.

So no, you are wrong about that assessment. See, like it or not, people are hired in the gaming industry from outside the gaming industry to lend their expertise in diverse fields. Writing, accounting, coding, etc.

Deal with it.

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 20 février 2012 - 11:52 .

[Grey34]

good lord people like them who do stuff like that make feel bad for being gamer

[Farbautisonn]

crimzontearz wrote... thank god she is just a writer!

--Just a writer? Who do you think comes up with the plot for ME? The writer is pretty much the foundation of any ME game. No writer, no game.

Again. Id strongly caution against throwing in "gamers" with "Trolls". The writer inquestion was a victim of a troll attack. Most likely some of the people some of you normally hail as the "Heroes of the Internetz" IE "Anonymous" .

[KBomb]

How vile. Those people should be ashamed of themselves. There are better ways to voice your displeasure and criticism without resorting to this atrocious behavior.

[AtreiyaN7]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

More like, BW writer says:

"I don't like playing games."

"I think all cutscenes need to be completely skippable."

THEN gamers hate on her.

What they're doing is wrong, but she isn't exactly "innocent," for lack of a better word.

No, there really isn't any excuse for people behaving like idiots or spouting crap like that - none, zero, zilch, nada. You can't excuse away such crappy public behavior. Why is she "responsible" for it? For having an opinion about valuing story over combat and just plain not enjoying combat? She never said they should do away with combat for those who enjoy it.

There's nothing inherently wrong with what she said - her job is to write and has nothing to do with the implementation of combat in games. People complain on the BSN so bloody often about the emphasis on combat in ME3, etc. that you'd think they'd value someone who considers story to be a major part of the game. I wouldn't be surprised if those tweets are from some of the idiots who post on the BSN forums (like they don't spout enough venom on a daily basis).

[crimzontearz]

idspisp0pd wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
"if I could suggest anything it would be to add a skip button for combat"
please.....DO NOT LISTEN TO HER SUGGESTIONS
what people did to her was wrong but COME ON!!! Did you see/read the interview? thank god she is just a writer!

I don't see what's so bad about it. I like the combat and wouldn't skip it, but what's wrong with more options, at least in a game like ME where the story is one of the main attractions?

gee because if it was up to her games would basically be movies and she hates the staples of RPGs like combat, exploration, stats, inventory and so on....

[Major League]

people are douchebags on the internet and (in my opinion) Bioware fans tend to be very hypocritical. let people have their own taste.

[DiebytheSword]

I don't think she deserves public bashing, regardless of what her positions or thoughts are. No one really does unless they are a truly public figure. Writers for video games do not fall in that category in my opinion.

That said, I agree with EA's assertion that she is working in a field that she has demonstrated some disdain for, but at that same time, non of us here can claim we have not met a person who was dissatisfied with their field of work, or their company in particular.

EA, your argument falls when you have people doing jobs that they dislike because they need to work. Not every job is going to be one you keep for life, and not every job is going to be something you are 100% vested in.

[Lucifer_Cheney]

Ahh, Internet Ambiguity: The place where geeks and shut-ins can channel their inner, fraudulent Scarfaces.

[AlexXIV]

Well tbh if someone doesn't like video games, why work for a video game company? She could just write her own books and get rich. If she was good enough. Seriously, she shouldn't have said it. Nobody rages on those who just stfu.

[Zubie]

Funny, but really in my opinion the bits she's written for Dragon Age and Star Wars have been pretty good.

[DiebytheSword]

makalathbonagin wrote...

Insane 1 wrote...

kotaku.com/5886674/bioware-writer-describes-her-gaming-tastes-angry-gamers-call-her-a-cancer

It's disgusting how some people can go so far to harass others.

i'm sorry.... but this is just hilarious
i guess its Successful troll is successful

In no way shape or form is that good, nor should it be tolerated.

4chan style trolling has no place in the real world, no matter how many of them band together to make it reality.

A reality ruled by /b/, anon or lulzsec would be a horrible one indeed.

[GnusmasTHX]

What's wrong with a skip function for combat?

Have games had it before? Yes.

Have games had any subverted version of it before, including ME3? Yes.

Story Mode, or whichever one makes the game easier than casual is this feature except done half-assed. Unfortunately there is too much story that happens during firefights for it to be possible to skip combat entirely in ME, but BW and other companies have already done it.

God Mode and cheats are also a subverted version of her suggestion. Commands like "god mode" and "kill all" handwave combat to accelerate the progression of the game, that's why they're designed. God mode is basically a command left in from development days if developers couldn't finish their own game but needed to get through it to test and see their progress, etc. Kill all is used for the same reason.

StarCraft and Skyrim have these, as well as thousands, literally, of other games BUILT IN. Some games at least have you edit files to get them working.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 20 février 2012 - 11:53 .

[Insane 1]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Insane 1 wrote...

By you saying she isn't completely innocent for having an opinion, within itself, it partially justifying their actions.

I should have clarified. By "innocent" I meant that the way she feels about games is "good" for someone who works in the gaming industry. I was in no way justifying what they were doing.

Dean_the_Young wrote...

A game story writer writes stories. Not gameplay mechanics or combat scenarios. There's no innate need to like all aspects of the medium.

 

There isn't a "need," no, but if there's a dislike, that dislike will influence that person's job in their area of expertise, which seems like a bad idea.

Again, it is a personal opinion. In a way, her idea is interesting. When I've completely played the game and done as much as I can, it would be a pretty cool idea if you can make all the cut-scenes play and skip combat so you can see the game's story as a whole instead of in fragments, playing through countless hours of gameplay to know a good story.

Or make a really, really long interactive comic book like the one for Mass Effect 2 if you have PS3.

[Dean_the_Young]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

A game story writer writes stories. Not gameplay mechanics or combat scenarios. There's no innate need to like all aspects of the medium.

 

There isn't a "need," no, but if there's a dislike, that dislike will influence that person's job in their area of expertise, which seems like a bad idea.

Unless you insist that everyone love everything about their job, that's kind of the nature of reality, mate. People cope, and carry on, and do what they're better at and enjoy more.

It's hardly unnatural, and insisting on anything else is pretty unreasonable.

[ObserverStatus]

 Personally, I refuse to be ashamed by beacause of this behavior.  Anyone who is anyone on the internet will be mercilessly criticized by anonymous internet users no matter what they do, so it's best to just learn how to deal with it.  If it bothered me every time some /b/****** who shares my interest made an ass of himself, I'd never sleep again.

[AlexXIV]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

A game story writer writes stories. Not gameplay mechanics or combat scenarios. There's no innate need to like all aspects of the medium.

 

There isn't a "need," no, but if there's a dislike, that dislike will influence that person's job in their area of expertise, which seems like a bad idea.

Unless you insist that everyone love everything about their job, that's kind of the nature of reality, mate. People cope, and carry on, and do what they're better at and enjoy more.

It's hardly unnatural, and insisting on anything else is pretty unreasonable.

Yeah well she can hate everything about her job as long she is doing a good job at it regardless. But saying that in an interview would be a bit like shooting yourself in the foot. However, it was 6 years ago, I am sure she learned that lesson.