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GamerGirl5260 wrote...

RaenImrahl wrote...

Name calling in any format, or any forum, is unproductive. When we devalue each other with language, we devalue each other as human beings, regardless of the medium or the anonymity it affords us.


You tell em moderator person!

Thirded. No damn game is worth acting like this. 

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Aaryn Flynn (Studio GM for BioWare in Edmonton) should have acted more mature then the people post hate comments though, with his almost junior high insults back "**** off" "whatever, ****ing moron" "you're an idiot" "go **** yourself"


i'd be saying the same things

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Major League wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

Aaryn Flynn (Studio GM for BioWare in Edmonton) should have acted more mature then the people post hate comments though, with his almost junior high insults back "**** off" "whatever, ****ing moron" "you're an idiot" "go **** yourself"


i'd be saying the same things

As understandable, and even justifiable as that is, its only likely to throw more fuel on the fire.  Chances are alot of these jerks are enjoying being trolls as they are actually serious.  Now that they see they've hit a nerve they'll keep hitting it. 

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Major League wrote...

i'd be saying the same things


But it's highly unprofessional, no matter how much one hates somebody else over the internet there's a sense of professionalism that must be maintained. Any company who'd constantly go around swearing at people wouldn't last long as the winds of controversey would slam them, the employees in question would lose ther job and it does nothing but throw gasoline onto the flames.

All Aaron needs for him to get into trouble is a few people to write emails about how offended they are as a consumer to EA's public relations team.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 21 février 2012 - 03:38 .


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Haters gonna hate. It's seems hating on Bioware and their employees all the rage now-a-days, unfortunately.

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Aaryn Flynn is a beast

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Well, they've done their job well. Their bleating informed me of a comic written by Ms. Hepler which I've now just brought. One, because I would like to read it as it sounds interesting and two, to show my support of a writer that right now, may well appreciate all the morale boosting we can afford in word and/or deed.

Ms Hepler, I wish you all the best, your writing in DA Origins was very enjoyable and I for one loved what you did with Anders character in DA2. Like every creative person, you can't please everyone, but there as those of us who appreciate your creativity and hope you continue with it.

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Dave of Canada wrote...

Major League wrote...

i'd be saying the same things


But it's highly unprofessional, no matter how much one hates somebody else over the internet there's a sense of professionalism that must be maintained. Any company who'd constantly go around swearing at people wouldn't last long as the winds of controversey would slam them, the employees in question would lose ther job and it does nothing but throw gasoline onto the flames.

All Aaron needs for him to get into trouble is a few people to write emails about how offended they are as a consumer to EA's public relations team.


look at it like this.  your friend is getting harassed by some douchebag, what do you do?

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Major League wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

Aaryn Flynn (Studio GM for BioWare in Edmonton) should have acted more mature then the people post hate comments though, with his almost junior high insults back "**** off" "whatever, ****ing moron" "you're an idiot" "go **** yourself"


i'd be saying the same things



I'd be thinking it, don't know if I would be saying it.  He didn't use the right methods but do give him credit for standing up for his employee.

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Major League wrote...

look at it like this.  your friend is getting harassed by some douchebag, what do you do?


My co-worker is being harassed by somebody, I say nothing because if I do I lose my job.

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That is DISGUSTING.

I'm sorry but this is why no one can take gamers seriously with trash like that. 

Cancer of Bioware? Yes, I dislike Hepler and her writing but that is just going too far.

Modifié par Savber100, 21 février 2012 - 03:56 .


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Major League wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Major League wrote...

i'd be saying the same things


But it's highly unprofessional, no matter how much one hates somebody else over the internet there's a sense of professionalism that must be maintained. Any company who'd constantly go around swearing at people wouldn't last long as the winds of controversey would slam them, the employees in question would lose ther job and it does nothing but throw gasoline onto the flames.

All Aaron needs for him to get into trouble is a few people to write emails about how offended they are as a consumer to EA's public relations team.


look at it like this.  your friend is getting harassed by some douchebag, what do you do?

Try and help in a way that doesn't encourage the jerk to continue, if not become even more obnoxious.  Unfortunatly, I'm worried that firing back insults is only going to keep this going.  And that doesn't actually help.

Don't get me wrong, Aaron scores well intended good person points, but how much is he actually helping? 

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Dave of Canada wrote...

Major League wrote...

look at it like this.  your friend is getting harassed by some douchebag, what do you do?


My co-worker is being harassed by somebody, I say nothing because if I do I lose my job.


I'm not like that.  Maybe it is the big brother trait in me, but i would rather lose my job, then let a friend/ co worker get harassed.  the internet is full of low lifes these days.  not saying the people that are criticizing her, but the people who are constantly sending hate mail or encouraging it.

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Yeah, I remember how there was some uproar here when she said that. I don't think anyone in that thread went as far as those douchebags did. There was this one troll though who kept coming back so maybe. In any case, I do feel bad for her. What happened should never be permissible. For one thing, it's human decency and to cap it all off, it's a freaking video game.
I did lol at Flynn's reply tho.

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Eski.Moe wrote...

Yeah, I remember how there was some uproar here when she said that. I don't think anyone in that thread went as far as those douchebags did. There was this one troll though who kept coming back so maybe. In any case, I do feel bad for her. What happened should never be permissible. For one thing, it's human decency and to cap it all off, it's a freaking video game.
I did lol at Flynn's reply tho.

Jacody wrote...
Wait, that was a real post? I thought it was
just shopped. Would love to see the actual thread. Do you remember any
parts of the title?


Its right on Flynn's twitter page


Wait, that was a real post? I thought it was just shopped. Would love to see the actual thread. Do you remember any parts of the title?


Oh, for some reason I thought you were talking about the post at the bottom of the image from Kotaku :pinched:

Modifié par Jacody, 21 février 2012 - 05:02 .


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The personal attacks were trollish and out of line, no doubt. Inexcusable, even if you don't care for her writing.

Conversely, resorting to profanity and responding to trollish behavior with more trollish 4th grade insults is just as bad.

What gets me is why this stuff turned up now? Its been going on with /v/ since before DA2 came out. Surely this wasn't a surprise to anyone at BioWare?

Jacody wrote...
Wait, that was a real post? I thought it was
just shopped. Would love to see the actual thread. Do you remember any
parts of the title?


Its right on Flynn's twitter page

Modifié par Brockololly, 21 février 2012 - 04:52 .


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Irony: Working in a gaming industry and not to like gaming!

She got what she deserved. - A poor jobless gamer

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Irony: Working in a gaming industry and not to like gaming!

She got what she deserved. - A poor jobless gamer


I disgaree strongly.

She does like to game, just suggested there was a way to "skip the combat" something I very heavily wish I could do myself. Imagine if I could skip the "tacits" of the fight in SWTOR and jump right to the cut secnes, or do the same in DA2. She's right in aspect, story telling games are story telling. Not mindless smashing buttons in combat.

I praise her for her understanding of that. However I don't agree with the way she handled it. My family owns a corporation, they get ALOT of hate mail. If they responded to that in public, it would just make the people act worse. The best response is sometimes, no response. 

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Ryoko wrote...

http://kotaku.com/58...ll-her-a-cancer

Thats terrible.

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It might not be professional, but I do not feel bad about it. It's deserved. Fuel on the fire? There is already a mob mentality that has been aimed at Hepler for MONTHS, it's about time she got support. 'Cuz it hasn't gone away. Sometimes, when against severe harrassment and bulling, a big eff you is valid.

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Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

Irony: Working in a gaming industry and not to like gaming!

She got what she deserved. - A poor jobless gamer


You fail.

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Ryoko wrote...

And seriously you're all a bunch of ****s and hypocrites. You send hate mail and threats because she has a different opinion then you? I feel for Chris Priestly having to put up with all you everyday.


That was actually on Reddit, at least that's where it started. But you are right it was pretty digusting. She obviously has writting talent otherwise Bioware wouldn't have bothered to hire her. It's unfortunately she has to deal with so much nonsense over heavily out of context interview statements and in a few cases, entirely false claims. I wish Jennifer the best and hope she continues to contribute to the games that Bioware puts out.

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Deviija wrote...


It might not be professional, but I do not feel bad about it. It's deserved. Fuel on the fire? There is already a mob mentality that has been aimed at Hepler for MONTHS, it's about time she got support. 'Cuz it hasn't gone away. Sometimes, when against severe harrassment and bulling, a big eff you is valid.


And it helps nobody, serving only to make them laugh at how they're getting to you.

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ok seriously im embarressed to call myself a mass effect fan now.


i dont give 2 craps how much people cry and moan but seriously calling someone a cancer isnt cool at all and im sorry but this has to be said.....



alot and i mean alot of these so called ** fans** are pretty damn ungratefull and really need to learn some respect.


if what im saying makes me a butt kisser fine w/e but if i was one of the devs trust me i wouldnt last long since i would be very vocal on how disgusting you people can be

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Tazzmission wrote...
ok seriously im embarressed to call myself a mass effect fan now.

Why?

The woman who was called a cancer is a Dragon Age writer.