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[Chozo_Hybrid]

What's so bad about Origin OP? It's just an application to run games like Steam really, sure there are little differences, but just because you have to verify it with a different program, once, you don't want a game you clearly look forward to.

[Farbautisonn]

Honestly speaking the empirical data isnt in favour of EA. They do have a tendency to buy up, exploit, suck dry and discard both innovative Studios or Intellectual properties. The "Hedge fund" of gaming.

I undestand that and I accept that. They are in it for the money, Their stockholders need and want to be paid. No problem there.

I just dont like that history too much. I know that innovative studios and IPs need money to function and to churn out good games, but the reputation and history of EA isnt really helping them or any company they buy up. I know Riccitiello has promised that EA is "different now" but, seeing is believing. And Im not convinced yet. So when I see that storytelling where Bio used to be the benchmark for any company, takes a backburner to shooting and slashing bots, I get worried. I get flashbacks to Bullfrog and Westwood. I dont want to see Bio end up in that grave.

[MouseNo4]

Ulukaidelu wrote...

What I know from the demo is that origin need to be launched to play me3, If you use alt-tab and quit origin and go back to the game, you get a message saying that origin has been close and the game will exit !

And it does for both solo campaign and multiplayer !!!

Use a firewall to neuter Origin. Problem solved. 

[ArkkAngel007]

dreman9999 wrote...

lgrevenl wrote...

Exia001 wrote...

One is not a critical mass

why is it so hard to understand that many people are made up of individuals? This is not a single opinion, but one of many

You make it sound like a whole group is with you on this.....I see no group. And the funny thing is, you would have never been able to play ME3 if it weren't for EA. Remeber, ME1 was an xbox exclusive before EA bought the company. If they didn't buy Bioware, you would be whining about microsoft keeping it console only, not ea letting play a game sereis the was console only on the pc.

Look at my banner .  At least against Origin.  However, OP is in the wrong.

Let's get this straight though, OP: if you aren't going to play ME3 because of Origin, then you don't buy the game at all.  If you're not going to put money towards people who worked countless hours in both developing, marketing, and distributing this game, then you don't get to enjoy the results of that effort.  By pirating, you're not doing anyone any favors, but adding to the problem.  That action is the same exact reason why we have strict DRMs like Origin.  So instead of trying to find a way to deal with the issues in a legal or developmental standpoint to hopefully change things, you decided it's better to just escalate the problem?  There is no rationale in that, no matter how you argue it.

[TK EL_]

Chozo_Hybrid wrote...

What's so bad about Origin OP? It's just an application to run games like Steam really, sure there are little differences, but just because you have to verify it with a different program, once, you don't want a game you clearly look forward to.

People claim its intrusive and spyware that reports what applications are running on their pc and such. Some just like their privacy while others are running secret classified military defense applications from the safety of their basement

[lgrevenl]

dreman9999 wrote...

TK EL wrote...

lgrevenl wrote...

themastakillah wrote...

when ea/bioware chose this path i think they've calculated the loss, so for them was more profitable do it and launch this origin thing with a negligible loss, knowing the they will loose a couple of pc gamers, but on a long term the profits of origin games will fill the gap and hoping that afterwards will do some competition to steam. we all hope that they fail badly, but we all know it will not happen.

Oh my. I never had hopes of seeing rationality on these forums

That is not rationality, that is simple projection, followed by an opinion. The solution to your gripe != justifying you pirating the game. You are obviously free to do what you want, just stop telling us about it

And after talking about it,they'll just lockhis account, meaning a very fun way of not play any future bioware games.

And an infinitesimally small loss in revenue from one person. It's not the point. 

[mjharper]

Chozo_Hybrid wrote...

What's so bad about Origin OP? It's just an application to run games like Steam really, sure there are little differences, but just because you have to verify it with a different program, once, you don't want a game you clearly look forward to.

The OP does want the game, but is using Origin as an excuse for piracy. It's really more about what he/she gains from hating Origin.

"Origin? Excellent! Now I can download the game illegally and pat myself on the back because I'm standing up to the man. Go me!"

[Nima55]

I really do not understand all this hate for origin. I mean it doesn't seem as good a steam ui wise, but everywhere I go it's "won't be getting me3 because of origin" can someone explain the hate to me?

[LostHH]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Honestly speaking the empirical data isnt in favour of EA. They do have a tendency to buy up, exploit, suck dry and discard both innovative Studios or Intellectual properties. The "Hedge fund" of gaming.

I undestand that and I accept that. They are in it for the money, Their stockholders need and want to be paid. No problem there.

I just dont like that history too much. I know that innovative studios and IPs need money to function and to churn out good games, but the reputation and history of EA isnt really helping them or any company they buy up. I know Riccitiello has promised that EA is "different now" but, seeing is believing. And Im not convinced yet. So when I see that storytelling where Bio used to be the benchmark for any company, takes a backburner to shooting and slashing bots, I get worried. I get flashbacks to Bullfrog and Westwood. I dont want to see Bio end up in that grave.

I'd go along with this. I'll never trust EA for what happened to Westwood, Bullfrog and their games.
I thought I saw a glimmer of hope in Dead Space but I'll put that down to EA getting drunk one night and letting something good happen. 
I to was worried about Bioware. I don't worry no more though as I believe the damage is done and there is no going back.

[mjharper]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

lgrevenl wrote...

Exia001 wrote...

One is not a critical mass

why is it so hard to understand that many people are made up of individuals? This is not a single opinion, but one of many

You make it sound like a whole group is with you on this.....I see no group. And the funny thing is, you would have never been able to play ME3 if it weren't for EA. Remeber, ME1 was an xbox exclusive before EA bought the company. If they didn't buy Bioware, you would be whining about microsoft keeping it console only, not ea letting play a game sereis the was console only on the pc.

Look at my banner .  At least against Origin.  However, OP is in the wrong.

Let's get this straight though, OP: if you aren't going to play ME3 because of Origin, then you don't buy the game at all.  If you're not going to put money towards people who worked countless hours in both developing, marketing, and distributing this game, then you don't get to enjoy the results of that effort.  By pirating, you're not doing anyone any favors, but adding to the problem.  That action is the same exact reason why we have strict DRMs like Origin.  So instead of trying to find a way to deal with the issues in a legal or developmental standpoint to hopefully change things, you decided it's better to just escalate the problem?  There is no rationale in that, no matter how you argue it.

Well said.

[lukex38]

wait so if you dont have internet at all you cant play mass effect 3 on PC

[TK EL_]

LostHH wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Honestly speaking the empirical data isnt in favour of EA. They do have a tendency to buy up, exploit, suck dry and discard both innovative Studios or Intellectual properties. The "Hedge fund" of gaming.

I undestand that and I accept that. They are in it for the money, Their stockholders need and want to be paid. No problem there.

I just dont like that history too much. I know that innovative studios and IPs need money to function and to churn out good games, but the reputation and history of EA isnt really helping them or any company they buy up. I know Riccitiello has promised that EA is "different now" but, seeing is believing. And Im not convinced yet. So when I see that storytelling where Bio used to be the benchmark for any company, takes a backburner to shooting and slashing bots, I get worried. I get flashbacks to Bullfrog and Westwood. I dont want to see Bio end up in that grave.

I'd go along with this. I'll never trust EA for what happened to Westwood, Bullfrog and their games.
I thought I saw a glimmer of hope in Dead Space but I'll put that down to EA getting drunk one night and letting something good happen. 
I to was worried about Bioware. I don't worry no more though as I believe the damage is done and there is no going back.

I'm confused, how has Bioware's story telling suffered? and if it has, which I diagree with anyway, how is it EA's fault? So far, as far as ME is concerned,  the only places where I see EA has had a hand in is making it multiplatform, retailer exclusives and marketing

[Mettyx]

lgrevenl wrote...

 It's been said before, but I'd like to put my voice to it.

The fact that origin is required is my biggest incentive to pirate this game. I have bought every Bioware RPG to date. I won't buy this one until it is released from origin

You are completely wrong and it is very unhealthy for Steam to have such unprecedented monopoly. Origin is just doing what Steam did with Half Life 2.

And Bioware dumbed down Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 2 all on their own, ruining the former completely.

Modifié par Mettyx, 21 février 2012 - 12:34 .

[lgrevenl]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

lgrevenl wrote...

Exia001 wrote...

One is not a critical mass

why is it so hard to understand that many people are made up of individuals? This is not a single opinion, but one of many

You make it sound like a whole group is with you on this.....I see no group. And the funny thing is, you would have never been able to play ME3 if it weren't for EA. Remeber, ME1 was an xbox exclusive before EA bought the company. If they didn't buy Bioware, you would be whining about microsoft keeping it console only, not ea letting play a game sereis the was console only on the pc.

Look at my banner .  At least against Origin.  However, OP is in the wrong.

Let's get this straight though, OP: if you aren't going to play ME3 because of Origin, then you don't buy the game at all.  If you're not going to put money towards people who worked countless hours in both developing, marketing, and distributing this game, then you don't get to enjoy the results of that effort.  By pirating, you're not doing anyone any favors, but adding to the problem.  That action is the same exact reason why we have strict DRMs like Origin.  So instead of trying to find a way to deal with the issues in a legal or developmental standpoint to hopefully change things, you decided it's better to just escalate the problem?  There is no rationale in that, no matter how you argue it.

I'm open to alternate suggestions. I want to make a stink. I'd like to change the behaviour of companies like this. My point was that Origin, which is designed to reduce piracy, in fact, encourages it. Its been seen before with DRMs.

[AkiKishi]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Honestly speaking the empirical data isnt in favour of EA. They do have a tendency to buy up, exploit, suck dry and discard both innovative Studios or Intellectual properties. The "Hedge fund" of gaming.

I undestand that and I accept that. They are in it for the money, Their stockholders need and want to be paid. No problem there.

I just dont like that history too much. I know that innovative studios and IPs need money to function and to churn out good games, but the reputation and history of EA isnt really helping them or any company they buy up. I know Riccitiello has promised that EA is "different now" but, seeing is believing. And Im not convinced yet. So when I see that storytelling where Bio used to be the benchmark for any company, takes a backburner to shooting and slashing bots, I get worried. I get flashbacks to Bullfrog and Westwood. I dont want to see Bio end up in that grave.

After playing Kingdoms of Amular which is also published by EA I was quite upbeat about things. I'm much more inclined to lay blame at Biowares door especially in light of DA2.

[ArkkAngel007]

lukex38 wrote...

wait so if you dont have internet at all you cant play mass effect 3 on PC

You have to at least have a connection to register/activate ME3 on Origin.  Once that is done, supposedly you can play without needing an internet connection.

[mjharper]

lukex38 wrote...

wait so if you dont have internet at all you cant play mass effect 3 on PC

Read the FAQ on p.1.

The rules are less severe than, say, StarCraft II.

[lgrevenl]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Honestly speaking the empirical data isnt in favour of EA. They do have a tendency to buy up, exploit, suck dry and discard both innovative Studios or Intellectual properties. The "Hedge fund" of gaming.

I undestand that and I accept that. They are in it for the money, Their stockholders need and want to be paid. No problem there.

I just dont like that history too much. I know that innovative studios and IPs need money to function and to churn out good games, but the reputation and history of EA isnt really helping them or any company they buy up. I know Riccitiello has promised that EA is "different now" but, seeing is believing. And Im not convinced yet. So when I see that storytelling where Bio used to be the benchmark for any company, takes a backburner to shooting and slashing bots, I get worried. I get flashbacks to Bullfrog and Westwood. I dont want to see Bio end up in that grave.

I could make out with you right now. These are the types of opinions I'd like to elicit

[Shadowrun1177]

lukex38 wrote...

wait so if you dont have internet at all you cant play mass effect 3 on PC

Yep, cause an internet connection is required for the initial activation of ME3 on the PC.

[Selor Kiith]

lgrevenl wrote...
And an infinitesimally small loss in revenue from one person. It's not the point.

Am I the only one that sees that he is actually disproving himself with this?

[mjharper]

lgrevenl wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

lgrevenl wrote...

Exia001 wrote...

One is not a critical mass

why is it so hard to understand that many people are made up of individuals? This is not a single opinion, but one of many

You make it sound like a whole group is with you on this.....I see no group. And the funny thing is, you would have never been able to play ME3 if it weren't for EA. Remeber, ME1 was an xbox exclusive before EA bought the company. If they didn't buy Bioware, you would be whining about microsoft keeping it console only, not ea letting play a game sereis the was console only on the pc.

Look at my banner .  At least against Origin.  However, OP is in the wrong.

Let's get this straight though, OP: if you aren't going to play ME3 because of Origin, then you don't buy the game at all.  If you're not going to put money towards people who worked countless hours in both developing, marketing, and distributing this game, then you don't get to enjoy the results of that effort.  By pirating, you're not doing anyone any favors, but adding to the problem.  That action is the same exact reason why we have strict DRMs like Origin.  So instead of trying to find a way to deal with the issues in a legal or developmental standpoint to hopefully change things, you decided it's better to just escalate the problem?  There is no rationale in that, no matter how you argue it.

I'm open to alternate suggestions. I want to make a stink. I'd like to change the behaviour of companies like this. My point was that Origin, which is designed to reduce piracy, in fact, encourages it. Its been seen before with DRMs.

Actually, Origin doesn't encourage piracy. It only encourages piracy among those who think that piracy is a morally valid alternative.

Can you opt out of battle.net when you play StarCraft II? No. So why should Origin be any different?

[Adanu]

Mettyx wrote...

lgrevenl wrote...

 It's been said before, but I'd like to put my voice to it.

The fact that origin is required is my biggest incentive to pirate this game. I have bought every Bioware RPG to date. I won't buy this one until it is released from origin

You are completely wrong and it is very unhealthy for Steam to have such unprecedented monopoly. Origin is just doing what Steam did with Half Life 2.

And Bioware dumbed down Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 2 all on their own, ruining the former completely.

If Origin lets me opt out of their data collection and *means* it, I will let it out of sandboxie.

[TK EL_]

lgrevenl wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Honestly speaking the empirical data isnt in favour of EA. They do have a tendency to buy up, exploit, suck dry and discard both innovative Studios or Intellectual properties. The "Hedge fund" of gaming.

I undestand that and I accept that. They are in it for the money, Their stockholders need and want to be paid. No problem there.

I just dont like that history too much. I know that innovative studios and IPs need money to function and to churn out good games, but the reputation and history of EA isnt really helping them or any company they buy up. I know Riccitiello has promised that EA is "different now" but, seeing is believing. And Im not convinced yet. So when I see that storytelling where Bio used to be the benchmark for any company, takes a backburner to shooting and slashing bots, I get worried. I get flashbacks to Bullfrog and Westwood. I dont want to see Bio end up in that grave.

I could make out with you right now. These are the types of opinions I'd like to elicit

OP, how does what he wrote support your ill-excused decision to pirate the game? He's giving an opinion about quality. I thought your quarell was about origin? Sigh, just go away

Modifié par TK EL , 21 février 2012 - 12:41 .

[Farbautisonn]

TK EL wrote...

I'm confused, how has Bioware's story telling suffered? and if it has, which I diagree with anyway, how is it EA's fault? So far, as far as ME is concerned,  the only places where I see EA has had a hand in is making it multiplatform, retailer exclusives and marketing

-Exhibit one: DAO vs DA2. That got panned so violently that I didnt buy it. I prefer to have my DAO experience intact.

Exhibit two: ME3 SP demo. Writing and storytelling frankly sucked. It was all over the place, it was frantic, it was illogical and it was poorly executed. A person who didnt visit this forum or didnt play the DLC's would go "Wait... wat? Who is this Vega guy? Why is Shep on trial? My shep blew up a mass relay and killed hundreds of thousands? Why? And what the hell is that kid doing there? Where are my dialogue and lore options?  Why can I do barrel rolls but not holster a gun? Why is 80pct of the demo(s) focused on shooting bots?"

EDIT: 

Oh. And what does EA have to do with that? 

EA has a tendency to make nice easy to digest Shoot em up and simplified, but more glitzy versions of whatever IP they aquire. They turn the 4 course gourmet meal into Mc Story.

Most recent case in point: Syndicate. From a game IP from Bullfrog that really... REALLY had potential to be something with a storyline that would have really kicked people in the nuts with moral and ethical ambiguity, great storytelling and epic characters. However what we are left with is apparently a glitzy, shoot em up with focus on limbs getting splattered all over the place and no apparent goal except shooting the crap out of bots and perhaps playing a MP game against friends. Mc Game.

Modifié par Farbautisonn, 21 février 2012 - 12:46 .

[Chozo_Hybrid]

TK EL wrote...

Chozo_Hybrid wrote...

What's so bad about Origin OP? It's just an application to run games like Steam really, sure there are little differences, but just because you have to verify it with a different program, once, you don't want a game you clearly look forward to.

People claim its intrusive and spyware that reports what applications are running on their pc and such. Some just like their privacy while others are running secret classified military defense applications from the safety of their basement

Ah, okay. I don't have a PC good enough for gaming, so I didn't know what the bad thing about it potentially was. Sounds like OP is over reacting.

mjharper wrote...

Chozo_Hybrid wrote...

What's
so bad about Origin OP? It's just an application to run games like
Steam really, sure there are little differences, but just because you
have to verify it with a different program, once, you don't want a game
you clearly look forward to.

The OP does want the game, but
is using Origin as an excuse for piracy. It's really more about what
he/she gains from hating Origin.

"Origin? Excellent! Now I can download the game illegally and pat myself on the back because I'm standing up to the man. Go me!"

Seems like a silly reason to me.