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[AkiKishi]

mjharper wrote...

Actually, Origin doesn't encourage piracy. It only encourages piracy among those who think that piracy is a morally valid alternative.

Can you opt out of battle.net when you play StarCraft II? No. So why should Origin be any different?

I can understand people being uncomfortable about something like that that lurks on your system. It's spyware and no one likes that. It's another reason I switched to consoles.

Leaving the choice between no snooping and no game... Well that seems quite wrong and in violation of your rights.
Again I can understand people who want to "circumvent" that.

The easiest way is to simply become a console owner.

But I don't condone piracy (making something you already own easier to play on the hand...)

[Exia001]

lgrevenl wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

lgrevenl wrote...

Exia001 wrote...

One is not a critical mass

why is it so hard to understand that many people are made up of individuals? This is not a single opinion, but one of many

You make it sound like a whole group is with you on this.....I see no group. And the funny thing is, you would have never been able to play ME3 if it weren't for EA. Remeber, ME1 was an xbox exclusive before EA bought the company. If they didn't buy Bioware, you would be whining about microsoft keeping it console only, not ea letting play a game sereis the was console only on the pc.

Look at my banner .  At least against Origin.  However, OP is in the wrong.

Let's get this straight though, OP: if you aren't going to play ME3 because of Origin, then you don't buy the game at all.  If you're not going to put money towards people who worked countless hours in both developing, marketing, and distributing this game, then you don't get to enjoy the results of that effort.  By pirating, you're not doing anyone any favors, but adding to the problem.  That action is the same exact reason why we have strict DRMs like Origin.  So instead of trying to find a way to deal with the issues in a legal or developmental standpoint to hopefully change things, you decided it's better to just escalate the problem?  There is no rationale in that, no matter how you argue it.

I'm open to alternate suggestions. I want to make a stink. I'd like to change the behaviour of companies like this. My point was that Origin, which is designed to reduce piracy, in fact, encourages it. Its been seen before with DRMs.

OP thinks he is this: www.youtube.com/watch

In fact he is this: www.youtube.com/watch

[dreman9999]

Farbautisonn wrote...

TK EL wrote...

I'm confused, how has Bioware's story telling suffered? and if it has, which I diagree with anyway, how is it EA's fault? So far, as far as ME is concerned,  the only places where I see EA has had a hand in is making it multiplatform, retailer exclusives and marketing

Exhibit two: ME3 SP demo. Writing and storytelling frankly sucked. It was all over the place, it was frantic, it was illogical and it was poorly executed. A person who didnt visit this forum or didnt play the DLC's would go "Wait... wat? Who is this Vega guy? Why is Shep on trial? My shep blew up a mass relay and killed hundreds of thousands? Why? And what the hell is that kid doing there? Where are my dialogue and lore options?  Why can I do barrel rolls but not holster a gun? Why is 80pct of the demo(s) focused on shooting bots?"

ME3 story was not all overthe place. Vega was never place as role yet of importance for anyone to as "why is he important yet" This not like the sibling killing in da2.
Then the demo goes in detail abour what shepard did  and why.
You would see the pathos for the kid.
They would not care about  about a useless feature.
And understand the demo focus is to show gameplay not story

Also, dialoge was alway a bit cheesey.

Modifié par dreman9999, 21 février 2012 - 01:02 .

[Farbautisonn]

Exia001 wrote...

In fact he is this: www.youtube.com/watch

-Why is that video strangely wonderfull... ?

[marshalleck]

Origin is fine. Get over it.

[TK EL_]

Farbautisonn wrote...

TK EL wrote...

I'm confused, how has Bioware's story telling suffered? and if it has, which I diagree with anyway, how is it EA's fault? So far, as far as ME is concerned,  the only places where I see EA has had a hand in is making it multiplatform, retailer exclusives and marketing

-Exhibit one: DAO vs DA2. That got panned so violently that I didnt buy it. I prefer to have my DAO experience intact.

Exhibit two: ME3 SP demo. Writing and storytelling frankly sucked. It was all over the place, it was frantic, it was illogical and it was poorly executed. A person who didnt visit this forum or didnt play the DLC's would go "Wait... wat? Who is this Vega guy? Why is Shep on trial? My shep blew up a mass relay and killed hundreds of thousands? Why? And what the hell is that kid doing there? Where are my dialogue and lore options?  Why can I do barrel rolls but not holster a gun? Why is 80pct of the demo(s) focused on shooting bots?"

Never played DAO, but I think DA2 was ok for what it was.

You're one of the geniuses judging the ME3 SP demo out of context of the full game? ok good to know. It's not my fault people didn't play the DLC. You are also suggesting that ME is the only franchise that bridges gaps between their games with other media which is a lie. Arkham City did, Prototype 2 is doing it, Gears of War 3 did it so I dont see your point. The fact is the DLC was available to be played by all plus I'm sure all the gaps will be filled in for those who didn't in the codex so you have no point there. More info for you, a lot of dialogue was cut from the demo to prevent spoilers, now you know. And apparently improved combat is a problem too?

[TK EL_]

As for the studios you mentioned its tragic when that happens, but one thing everyone has to remember is no one likes making anything at a loss. To suggest that EA is the only company who's first priority is profit is quite naive.

[AkiKishi]

TK EL wrote...

Never played DAO, but I think DA2 was ok for what it was.

You're one of the geniuses judging the ME3 SP demo out of context of the full game? ok good to know. It's not my fault people didn't play the DLC. You are also suggesting that ME is the only franchise that bridges gaps between their games with other media which is a lie. Arkham City did, Prototype 2 is doing it, Gears of War 3 did it so I dont see your point. The fact is the DLC was available to be played by all plus I'm sure all the gaps will be filled in for those who didn't in the codex so you have no point there. More info for you, a lot of dialogue was cut from the demo to prevent spoilers, now you know. And apparently improved combat is a problem too?

That's what demos are for.

Don't hold your breath... In fact there is a dev post that says nothing was cut from the demo. You do apparently get a different line if you played arrival.

Improved is a matter of opinion. sure you can roll but the price in animation quality is very high.

[mjharper]

Farbautisonn wrote...

-Exhibit one: DAO vs DA2. That got panned so violently that I didnt buy it. I prefer to have my DAO experience intact. 

 
So, you let other people form your opinions. Good start.

Farbautisonn wrote... 

Exhibit two: ME3 SP demo. Writing and storytelling frankly sucked. It was all over the place, it was frantic, it was illogical and it was poorly executed. A person who didnt visit this forum or didnt play the DLC's would go "Wait... wat? Who is this Vega guy? Why is Shep on trial? My shep blew up a mass relay and killed hundreds of thousands? Why? And what the hell is that kid doing there? Where are my dialogue and lore options?  Why can I do barrel rolls but not holster a gun? Why is 80pct of the demo(s) focused on shooting bots?"

I wish people would stop this nonsense. Would it have been a good demo if it had had 30 minutes of dialogue options, like, say the Old World Blues DLC for Fallout NV? Man, that would have been awesome. Not.

Try basing you expericence of a game on the actual game, rather than what is in effect a trailer.

[Denethar]

While I get why some people have an aversion towards origin, I think that in this case it's a bad attempt to justify a different way to get the game.

[ArkkAngel007]

BobSmith101 wrote...

mjharper wrote...

Actually, Origin doesn't encourage piracy. It only encourages piracy among those who think that piracy is a morally valid alternative.

Can you opt out of battle.net when you play StarCraft II? No. So why should Origin be any different?

I can understand people being uncomfortable about something like that that lurks on your system. It's spyware and no one likes that. It's another reason I switched to consoles.

Leaving the choice between no snooping and no game... Well that seems quite wrong and in violation of your rights.
Again I can understand people who want to "circumvent" that.

The easiest way is to simply become a console owner.

But I don't condone piracy (making something you already own easier to play on the hand...)

It is not spyware.  Spyware scans and then sends the scanned data to a party.  Origin had an issue where it scanned where it wasn't supposed to.  However, it still only sent what it was supposed to.  That issue has since been rectified, so please do not continue spreading the "spyware" issue when it is no longer relevent.

However, the terms of service, EULA, and privacy agreement all have conflicting information about what is done with the information you provide upon purchasing a game on Origin.  In practice, it probably just means that EA uses information for demographic purposes for themselves and their development partners (Age, region, etc).  It's the clarity that is the issue on that front, as well as the fact that I'm not given a choice on providing or not providing that information while using Origin.  The biggest issue is the fact that once you agree to the EULA, you agree to any future changes made to Origin, thus still being unable to pursue legal action if for some reason you feel you have had your rights, or what little remaining to you, or agreement with EA violated.

There are technical hurdles as well, but as I'm rather short on time here, I'm not going to open that can of worms.

If people actually focused on Origin with those issues in mind, rather than running around yelling "spyware" and "Steam" constantly, EA may actually take into consideration what its consumer base is making a fuss about.

[Farbautisonn]

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[/quote]ME3 story was not all overthe place. Vega was never place as role yet of importance for anyone to as "why is he important yet" This not like thesibling killing in da2.
Then the demo goes in detial abour what shepard did  and why.
You would see the pathos for the kid.
They would not care about  about a useless feature.
And understand the demo focus is to show gameplay not story

Also, dialoge was alway a bit cheesey.


[/quote]

Erm... yes it was.

Shepard apparently knows Vega and has a history with him, and yet we are left with no clue why or how.

Detail. Riiight. Andersons "What you did would have gotten anyone else sacked" is "detail"? Really? 

Pathos for the kid. You do know what "Pathos" really means right? Emotional appeal. That kind of requires that we have some bond with the kid. Some prehistory. A wave, a smile, a ballgame, perhaps even a flashback to Shepards own childhood. Something that shows a connection. We get nothing except the cheapest possible storyhook. "Shepard sees child playing in garden. Shepard later sees kid again. Kid dies in reaper attack. Presto, you may now cry your heart out." -Wat?  Im a father of two and I love kids to death. Im a rather sentimental bastard. I cry during cartoons. And yet that bit left me completely.... void. I undestand the reasoning and I see the attempt. But does it work. Not at all.

And yet that "useless feature" was implemented inthe previous games and in this game its replaced by another useless feature, the barrel roll, that is about as implausible and illogical as it can be. Shepard carries kit on his back and is wearing armour. Try doing a roll in that. Try not getting hurt in that. Try doing it constantly without becomming intensely fatigued. Try finding out what high end tactical teams (SAS, DELTA, GSG9) uses a barrel roll whilst wearing tactical gear. Holstering your gun however is pretty essential to a tactical team.

The gameplay IS the story with bioware. Allways was. No story, no bioware. Bioware has been the benchmark for storytelling in computer games for more than a decade. If we dont see any kind of interaction (or severely crippled interaction) with our NPC's... why the hell bother? Why not just do an entire movie sequence. Especially if the lines delivered are so feeble that even the writers of the game implicitly recognize it by stating at the trial "Thats it?".

Do you see what I am getting at?

[AkiKishi]

Denethar wrote...

While I get why some people have an aversion towards origin, I think that in this case it's a bad attempt to justify a different way to get the game.

Well it's obvious why EA wants it. Does Activision have its own system too ? If all the major publishers start their own dowload service (which seems likely) you systems are going to be infested.
I think steam being older people have either gotten used to it or just grin and bear it. I quite PC gaming just as steam was talking off so I'm not that familiar with how things work.

I'm not sure you will even get competition since you will have no choice but to go to the publisher of the game if you want it.

[marshalleck]

I wonder how many of these people whining about Origin "spyware" have Facebook accounts.

[Doctoglethorpe]

Theres some geniunely good reasons out there to pirate games, be it lack of normal availability for older games, studios closing so none of the money would go to the developers anyways, or simply being so poor theres no way you can afford paying for them in the first place (If I was a dev I would understand).  But doing it just becuase you don't like Origin is one of the pettiest god damn reasons I've heard. 

[ODST 3]

Piracy only encourages products of sh*ttier quality.

[AkiKishi]

mjharper wrote...
I wish people would stop this nonsense. Would it have been a good demo if it had had 30 minutes of dialogue options, like, say the Old World Blues DLC for Fallout NV? Man, that would have been awesome. Not.

Try basing you expericence of a game on the actual game, rather than what is in effect a trailer.

Once you bite into the cake it's too late to tell if it's poisoned.

(Once you buy the game they have your money anyway).

I think you are going to be in for a shock come release day when the game is just like the demo. People were when DA2 was released too.

[Farbautisonn]

TK EL wrote...

Never played DAO, but I think DA2 was ok for what it was.

You're one of the geniuses judging the ME3 SP demo out of context of the full game? ok good to know. It's not my fault people didn't play the DLC. You are also suggesting that ME is the only franchise that bridges gaps between their games with other media which is a lie. Arkham City did, Prototype 2 is doing it, Gears of War 3 did it so I dont see your point. The fact is the DLC was available to be played by all plus I'm sure all the gaps will be filled in for those who didn't in the codex so you have no point there. More info for you, a lot of dialogue was cut from the demo to prevent spoilers, now you know. And apparently improved combat is a problem too?

-What else am I supposed to do? (Thanks for the implied ad hominem btw. Says more about you than me). A demo is supposed to showcase a game and give us an idea of the focus and the story. So.. Am I to disregard the demo? Really? 

How many of those games have a history of storytelling like Bio's games have? 

"Go read the codex" Thats nice. Given that logic we can pretty much skip anything and write a small novel in the Codex to correct for anything, no matter how far fetched or illogical, right? I mean... its "in the codex".

Really. Alot of dialogue was cut? Where did you see that? Can I have a source on that? Because I havent found one, but Im sure you wouldnt fling that at me without being positive, so please. Pretty please. With sugar on top. Prove me wrong. Or back down.

Improved combat I dont give a crap about. Improved combat isnt a barrel roll. It breaks immersion and it has zero tactical application in any sense unless youre agent 47.

[Kekkis]

marshalleck wrote...

Origin is fine. Get over it.

Exept it is useless. Physical copies usually costs less. If I want to buy digital copy I know a store, that has faster download speed and better prices. I don´t need to install any extra programs to use it.

Origin has no value for me, exept small annoyance when it wants to start before I can play a game.

Other than that I don´t care how important part of their business is to know what kind of computer I have and what programs I use. If they are too stupid to figure out, that nearly everyone has a computer, that can run those console ports they make, then they deserve to go out of business.

[v0rt3x22]

Was Bioware part of EA when ME1 came out?

[AkiKishi]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Was Bioware part of EA when ME1 came out?

No ME1 was published by Microsoft which is why is was exclusive to Xbox.

[mjharper]

BobSmith101 wrote...

mjharper wrote...
I wish people would stop this nonsense. Would it have been a good demo if it had had 30 minutes of dialogue options, like, say the Old World Blues DLC for Fallout NV? Man, that would have been awesome. Not.

Try basing you expericence of a game on the actual game, rather than what is in effect a trailer.

Once you bite into the cake it's too late to tell if it's poisoned.

(Once you buy the game they have your money anyway).

I think you are going to be in for a shock come release day when the game is just like the demo. People were when DA2 was released too.

Fine. It's my money to spend. But anyone who thinks that they know everything about the game just by playing the demo is full of it.

I played the demo of Amalur and decided it wasn't for me. But I'm not going to pretend, on that basis, that the game sucks, that the combat is easy, or that the writing is poor. I simply do not have enough experience of it to make that judgement.

[Quarters Alpha]

I hate when people think that pirating is an effective boycott. People have pirated from the beginning, and has it stopped these supposed horrible crimes such as Origin? No, it just makes HARSHER restrictions for the people who actually pay money to play the game, whereas people who pirate just find more loopholes and force the developer to make more restrictions. The only people you hurt is us, not game companies. It's an immature practice, and I feel that most of the time when people talk about how they are using it to boycott, they are merely trying to make themselves feel more justified in committing a crime. Either buy the game, or don't. That simple.

[TK EL_]

BobSmith101 wrote...

That's what demos are for.

Don't hold your breath... In fact there is a dev post that says nothing was cut from the demo. You do apparently get a different line if you played arrival.

Improved is a matter of opinion. sure you can roll but the price in animation quality is very high.

You can judge the combat out of context, but not the story.

Can you link me to this said dev post because I've never come accross it.

Sure. As long as there are no framerate drops or such as a result which I did not encounter in the demo, it is an improvement.

[Arppis]

I don't remember ever needing to even activate Origin after registering my game to it when playing SWTOR. I just keep it shut.