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[Farbautisonn]

chengthao wrote...

we didn't lose that ability, its already been stated several times by multiple devs

-So we can holster whenever we want? Thats nice! I must have missed those dev updates...

[chengthao]

Farbautisonn wrote...

chengthao wrote...

we didn't lose that ability, its already been stated several times by multiple devs

-So we can holster whenever we want? Thats nice! I must have missed those dev updates...

why would you want to holster your weapon whenever you want to? they said you can holster outside of combat but not during combat

[dreman9999]

[quote]BobSmith101 wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...
-I was Light infantry. We either crawled with our bellies to the ground or we dashed. Occasionalyl we threw ourselves over obstacles. Hinderbahn / Obstacle course and all that. Ive never seen anyone from a tactical team ever do a friggen roll. Ever.


[/quote]So ME3 is bad because you can't crawl and it's not identical toreal life.[/quote]

What he's demonstrating is that roll was only added for the GoW crowd not because of how combat works.

We got roll, but we lost animation quality and the ability to holster and probably a few other things too.[/quote]
Bob....You clearly haven't played the mp....
You do know what  aphantom is right? How would the system workwith these characters in the game with out a roll?
Have roll int he game does not make the game worse,it just makes it faster.Moving faster is never a bad thing unless you can't keep control of it.

[vonSlash]

If only game developers didn't have to worry about funding or corporate mandates and could just make the game that they thought would be most fun to play without having to worry about drawing in millions of new players to boost profits...

Oh, right, I forgot. Capitalism.

[dreman9999]

Farbautisonn wrote...

chengthao wrote...

we didn't lose that ability, its already been stated several times by multiple devs

-So we can holster whenever we want? Thats nice! I must have missed those dev updates...

Can you explain to me why it's relivent to the game play?

[AkiKishi]

Here we go courtesy of Chris Priestly in the "What happened to the trial thread"

Mass Effect 3 starts (roughly) 6 months after the end of Mass Effect 2. It starts with the end of the trial of Commander Shepard during which the Reapers first arrive on earth. This is the bit that starts the game and the demo.

Contradiction aside thats' the game.

[dreman9999]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Here we go courtesy of Chris Priestly in the "What happened to the trial thread"

Mass Effect 3 starts (roughly) 6 months after the end of Mass Effect 2. It starts with the end of the trial of Commander Shepard during which the Reapers first arrive on earth. This is the bit that starts the game and the demo.

Contradiction aside thats' the game.

It's not much of a trial and long preludes for games are a bad idea. 

[Farbautisonn]

dreman9999 wrote...
1. It doesn't need to.
2.Notclear on the relevencey.
3.Having no codex in the demo is not a factor. 
4.Beta leak.
5.The difference between those example you stated is that it impove movement with outoverpowering the player. Faster movement is good. Faster movement ageinst phantoms are manditory.

1) A story driven fps/ rpg doesnt need to showcase its story. Gotcha.

2) Storytelling is the bread and butter of Bioware. The shooting and looting has allways been there to support the story, not the other way around.

3) Is if youre trying to undestand how the hell you got from a to z and you dont get an explenation in the demo storyline.

4) So link it preferably with a dev stating that this would be canon. Or link to a Dev post here that states so. Should be easy. You wouldnt pull that out of thin air right? 

5) Can you get plugged whilst doing a barrel roll? Faster movement isnt an inheritly good thing. If you loose perspective, sight of target, line of sight or any number of things, Faster movement only has one application. CS jumping and plugging.

[AkiKishi]

dreman9999 wrote...
Bob....You clearly haven't played the mp....
You do know what  aphantom is right? How would the system workwith these characters in the game with out a roll?
Have roll int he game does not make the game worse,it just makes it faster.Moving faster is never a bad thing unless you can't keep control of it.

I never had any intention of getting ME3 for MP so your point would be? 

Bioware did say that MP would in no way compromise the core game though.

Moving faster because of a lack of animation frames and poor animation is a bad thing.I'm not going to get all gushy over MP just because it's Mass Effect. I can spend my time on much better MP games. I do find it somewhat ironic though that the MP which was supposed to be tacked on has found more favour than the single player. 

[Farbautisonn]

dreman9999 wrote...Can you explain to me why it's relivent to the game play?

-Its relevant to the gameplay because I cant type with both hands occupied in a weaver stance, I cant use my hands for anything with my hand locked around a gun. Breaks immersion. Small potatoes and its not really my biggest beef. My biggest beef is the storyline and the lack of it in the Demo.

[TK EL_]

1. Critical, but spoilers. What more about the dialogue options do you want them to show without you playing the game? how to select them?

2. Still doesn't mean they can't supplement the game with additional media. I didn't read the comics but I know who Vega is because I bothered to find out. If you can't be bothered then thats personal isnt it?

3. If you dont want to read the codex, then play Arrival and read the comics. You can't have it both ways champ. 

4. Beta leaks

5. Those things you mentioned have nothing to do with this plus no, they wouldnt improve it.

[AkiKishi]

dreman9999 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Here we go courtesy of Chris Priestly in the "What happened to the trial thread"

Mass Effect 3 starts (roughly) 6 months after the end of Mass Effect 2. It starts with the end of the trial of Commander Shepard during which the Reapers first arrive on earth. This is the bit that starts the game and the demo.

Contradiction aside thats' the game.

It's not much of a trial and long preludes for games are a bad idea. 

Do you actually want an RPG or do you just want to shoot stuff?

[dreman9999]

Farbautisonn wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. It doesn't need to.
2.Notclear on the relevencey.
3.Having no codex in the demo is not a factor. 
4.Beta leak.
5.The difference between those example you stated is that it impove movement with outoverpowering the player. Faster movement is good. Faster movement ageinst phantoms are manditory.

1) A story driven fps/ rpg doesnt need to showcase its story. Gotcha.

2) Storytelling is the bread and butter of Bioware. The shooting and looting has allways been there to support the story, not the other way around.

3) Is if youre trying to undestand how the hell you got from a to z and you dont get an explenation in the demo storyline.

4) So link it preferably with a dev stating that this would be canon. Or link to a Dev post here that states so. Should be easy. You wouldnt pull that out of thin air right? 

5) Can you get plugged whilst doing a barrel roll? Faster movement isnt an inheritly good thing. If you loose perspective, sight of target, line of sight or any number of things, Faster movement only has one application. CS jumping and plugging.

1. No, demos for fpd/rph hybrids that don't want to spoil the story don't have to.
2.True, but not everyone plays game for story. Think of the demo as a lure to get those peopel who don't play games for story to play ME3.
3.You really want the story to be spoiled for you in the demo?
4.Again, gameplay beta leak. And we both know a dev would neve rmake a statement like that if they want to keep their  job.
5.As I said, faster move is a good thing "if you can control it." This covers your example.

[TK EL_]

dreman9999 wrote...

What he's demonstrating is that roll was only added for the GoW crowd not because of how combat works.

We got roll, but we lost animation quality and the ability to holster and probably a few other things too.

Bob....You clearly haven't played the mp....
You do know what  aphantom is right? How would the system workwith these characters in the game with out a roll?
Have roll int he game does not make the game worse,it just makes it faster.Moving faster is never a bad thing unless you can't keep control of it.

No, just no. If they wanted to add something to appease the GoW crowd (like me ) then they would have added a chainsaw bayonet to the guns. I don't see any lost animation quality and rolling wasnt the only heavy animation added, think heavy melee. Gun holstering in a battle area is purely aesthetic

Modifié par TK EL , 21 février 2012 - 02:05 .

[TexasToast712]

PC masters and their uptight ways. Origin isn't evil. Origin loves me. It gives me birthday presents.<3

[Rockworm503]

lgrevenl wrote...

We live in a capitalist society. Buying it in the current status only reinforces their business decision to lock it to origin. I'm just using my decision to rail against it in a tiny way

Its too late.  Hotcakes wishes they were selling like this.  Origin is here and I see no point in fighting it anymore.
As that said it will take a LOT for me to buy anything else that requires Origin.  ME3 is it that I can see for the forseeable future.

[Farbautisonn]

TK EL wrote...


1. Critical, but spoilers. What more about the dialogue options do you want them to show without you playing the game? how to select them?

2. Still doesn't mean they can't supplement the game with additional media. I didn't read the comics but I know who Vega is because I bothered to find out. If you can't be bothered then thats personal isnt it?

3. If you dont want to read the codex, then play Arrival and read the comics. You can't have it both ways champ. 

4. Beta leaks

5. Those things you mentioned have nothing to do with this plus no, they wouldnt improve it.

1) Show me a single Demo that doesnt in some fashion spoil something. That would be nice. I want the dialogue options to show how I got from destroying/keeping the collector base to standing trial for mass murder several months later. I dont think thats too much to ask.

2) You "bothered". Thats nice. So a Bioware gamer has to find the information critical to his ingame experience by comming here. Why not just dispense with the ingame Codex and journal then. Just come here and find out what youre missing? How about "no". Critical info regarding the narrative in the game, ingame thanks.

4) Provide links, source or anything that can back your claims or fold.

5) Some kind of credibility and adherence to ingame lore has nothing to do with it. Gotcha.

[ArkkAngel007]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Theres some geniunely good reasons out there to pirate games, be it lack of normal availability for older games, studios closing so none of the money would go to the developers anyways, or simply being so poor theres no way you can afford paying for them in the first place (If I was a dev I would understand).  But doing it just becuase you don't like Origin is one of the pettiest god damn reasons I've heard. 

Not having the money available to you at the time is not a viable reason to pirate.  You don't have the cash, you go without until you can actually afford the product.  

I can understand the older games (and by that games you can't purchase new at any retail, including Amazon), and if BOTH the developer and publisher of a title are gone and the rights have not carried over elsewhere, then that is also a viable reason.

If the developers, publisher, rights, and product (in retail) are still active though, then you best be paying or waiting.

[ArkkAngel007]

Why are we talking about the demo and the (nonexistant) trial? It has nothing to do with the topic on hand. We have several other topics for you two to hash this out in.

[dreman9999]

BobSmith101 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Here we go courtesy of Chris Priestly in the "What happened to the trial thread"

Mass Effect 3 starts (roughly) 6 months after the end of Mass Effect 2. It starts with the end of the trial of Commander Shepard during which the Reapers first arrive on earth. This is the bit that starts the game and the demo.

Contradiction aside thats' the game.

It's not much of a trial and long preludes for games are a bad idea. 

Do you actually want an RPG or do you just want to shoot stuff?

I think you need to understand the medium your critizing.

Let me give you an example....Bulders gate1 and Bulders gate 2.

BG1 had a long prolog that mad e the player deal with the tutorial and very little of the story...It was dragged on for the sake of intro, which many player complained about.

Now, with BG2....They divided the tutorial and made the intro highly interactive. Yougot the full consept of the gameplay and story in Irenicus' Dungeon with out sitting through hoursof dialog. They let you play the gameand progress through it while telling you a story.....
 

DA:O does this, Kotor does this,ME1 does this and so on.

In short, this is what ME3'S intro is doing.

[mjharper]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Theres some geniunely good reasons out there to pirate games, be it lack of normal availability for older games, studios closing so none of the money would go to the developers anyways, or simply being so poor theres no way you can afford paying for them in the first place (If I was a dev I would understand).  But doing it just becuase you don't like Origin is one of the pettiest god damn reasons I've heard. 

Not having the money available to you at the time is not a viable reason to pirate.  You don't have the cash, you go without until you can actually afford the product.  

Which is what it was like when I was a kid. That said, I do remember sitting on the floor in a book store copying the creature stats from a Fighting Fantasy Game Guide. And the shop assistant didn't even throw me out 

RPG piracy in the days of pen and paper.

Modifié par mjharper, 21 février 2012 - 02:16 .

[Farbautisonn]

dreman9999 wrote...

1, No, demos for fpd/rph hybrids that don't want to spoil the story don't have to.
2.True, but not everyone plays game for story. Think of the demo as a lure to get those peopel who don't play games for story to play ME3.
3.You really want the story to be spoiled for you in the demo?
4.Again, gameplay beta leak. And we both know a dev would neve rmake a statement like that if they want to keep their  job.
5.As I said, faster move is a good thing "if you can control it." This covers your example.

1) There is no spoiling the story in explaining how you got from blowing up the collector base to standing trial for mass murder. Thats essential information that we need to undestand how the hell we got to this point in the story unless you want people to start their ME3 experience by playing the the DLC's and reading the novels first.

2) I know. I suspect a growing number of Biowares clientele is in it for the the flash and the shooting. But if its a marketing ploy, at least have the decency to explain that to the core competence clientbase that has made you succesfull so far. Its not much to ask, and any first year student of economics will tell you that abandoning your core competances and client base in a time of fiscal crisis is a bad idea.

3) Which makes your claim hearsay at best. You point fingers at me for getting an impression of the game through an officially sanctioned canon demo, and yet you see no problem in putting stock into leaked, and possibly false, out of date or wrong script leaks. Who has the more solid ground here... you or me? 

5) Yep. But moving faster isnt de facto a good thing. Which is pretty much my point.

[TK EL_]

Farbautisonn wrote...

1) Show me a single Demo that doesnt in some fashion spoil something. That would be nice. I want the dialogue options to show how I got from destroying/keeping the collector base to standing trial for mass murder several months later. I dont think thats too much to ask.

2) You "bothered". Thats nice. So a Bioware gamer has to find the information critical to his ingame experience by comming here. Why not just dispense with the ingame Codex and journal then. Just come here and find out what youre missing? How about "no". Critical info regarding the narrative in the game, ingame thanks.

4) Provide links, source or anything that can back your claims or fold.

5) Some kind of credibility and adherence to ingame lore has nothing to do with it. Gotcha.

1. Since this demo doesn't spoil anything, then its achieved its intended purpose. If they let you know the information you're asking about in just the demo, then they have failed and might as well give you the game for free or mail you the script right now.

2. Not by coming here. By buying the DLC and comics, you know supporting the company and game you love so much. Hell read the mass effect wiki, the devs have stated repeatedly how reliable it is. Not too hard for you to do I hope.

4. Lol, go to the spoiler section of the forums, thats all the proof I'm giving. You want a link? omgmasseffectbetaleakftw.com

5. So they have to justify human motion with lore now? 

[dreman9999]

Farbautisonn wrote...

TK EL wrote...


1. Critical, but spoilers. What more about the dialogue options do you want them to show without you playing the game? how to select them?

2. Still doesn't mean they can't supplement the game with additional media. I didn't read the comics but I know who Vega is because I bothered to find out. If you can't be bothered then thats personal isnt it?

3. If you dont want to read the codex, then play Arrival and read the comics. You can't have it both ways champ. 

4. Beta leaks

5. Those things you mentioned have nothing to do with this plus no, they wouldnt improve it.

1) Show me a single Demo that doesnt in some fashion spoil something. That would be nice. I want the dialogue options to show how I got from destroying/keeping the collector base to standing trial for mass murder several months later. I dont think thats too much to ask.

2) You "bothered". Thats nice. So a Bioware gamer has to find the information critical to his ingame experience by comming here. Why not just dispense with the ingame Codex and journal then. Just come here and find out what youre missing? How about "no". Critical info regarding the narrative in the game, ingame thanks.

4) Provide links, source or anything that can back your claims or fold.

5) Some kind of credibility and adherence to ingame lore has nothing to do with it. Gotcha.

1.This demo does the best it can not to. It cut out an entire portion of the 2ndpart of the demo to cut out spoiles.
2.I not as disjarring as you think. Vega is not even established as an important charager yet..He could be anyone at this point. This is not the case of the siblings in DA2.
4.It would be deleted befor you know it.
5. It's not relivent to the demo.

[lgrevenl]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Theres some geniunely good reasons out there to pirate games, be it lack of normal availability for older games, studios closing so none of the money would go to the developers anyways, or simply being so poor theres no way you can afford paying for them in the first place (If I was a dev I would understand).  But doing it just becuase you don't like Origin is one of the pettiest god damn reasons I've heard. 

Not having the money available to you at the time is not a viable reason to pirate.  You don't have the cash, you go without until you can actually afford the product.  

I can understand the older games (and by that games you can't purchase new at any retail, including Amazon), and if BOTH the developer and publisher of a title are gone and the rights have not carried over elsewhere, then that is also a viable reason.

If the developers, publisher, rights, and product (in retail) are still active though, then you best be paying or waiting.

Just for the record, I'd like to state that while I said that Origin is an incentive for me to pirate the game, I doubt I will even play it given the views that have been expressed to me about the demo. I have not pirated a game in years, and given the number of top quality of games at low prices these days, there's hardly a need to.

I was trying to make a point, which most people have missed completely.