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[TK EL_]

Anyway on topic, its clear the OP is wrong and has no way to use origin to justify pirating the game. There's practically no debate there hence why he has disappeared, meaning lockdown is approaching

[ArkkAngel007]

mjharper wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Theres some geniunely good reasons out there to pirate games, be it lack of normal availability for older games, studios closing so none of the money would go to the developers anyways, or simply being so poor theres no way you can afford paying for them in the first place (If I was a dev I would understand).  But doing it just becuase you don't like Origin is one of the pettiest god damn reasons I've heard. 

Not having the money available to you at the time is not a viable reason to pirate.  You don't have the cash, you go without until you can actually afford the product.  

Which is what it was like when I was a kid. That said, I do remember sitting on the floor in a book store copying the creature stats from a Fighting Fantasy Game Guide. And the shop assistant didn't even throw me out 

RPG piracy in the days of pen and paper.

Book stores the clerks never really cared, but just picking up a guidebook in a game shop longer than 2-3 minutes was followed by stern warning to either purchase the book or set it aside, lest the consequence would be to leave the store.

But yes, I think those of us who actually grew up to appreciate the reward of your earnings rather than just having everything and anything available to you at the press of a button/mouse are more liable to be patient until we can make the purchase rather then turn to piracy and actively search for justification to do so.

[ArkkAngel007]

TK EL wrote...

Anyway on topic, its clear the OP is wrong and has no way to use origin to justify pirating the game. There's practically no debate there hence why he has disappeared, meaning lockdown is approaching

It's still a good discussion, minus the off-topicness.  I'd rather have BSN hash it out over this rather than argue about thermal clips and canon.

[Frozen Mind]

Why not Origin? Thunderbird, Facebook, Chatzilla, AQQ (something like AIM), Steam and sometimes Mumble... Everything turned on. And don't tell me I'm lagging!

[dreman9999]

Farbautisonn wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1, No, demos for fpd/rph hybrids that don't want to spoil the story don't have to.
2.True, but not everyone plays game for story. Think of the demo as a lure to get those peopel who don't play games for story to play ME3.
3.You really want the story to be spoiled for you in the demo?
4.Again, gameplay beta leak. And we both know a dev would neve rmake a statement like that if they want to keep their  job.
5.As I said, faster move is a good thing "if you can control it." This covers your example.

1) There is no spoiling the story in explaining how you got from blowing up the collector base to standing trial for mass murder. Thats essential information that we need to undestand how the hell we got to this point in the story unless you want people to start their ME3 experience by playing the the DLC's and reading the novels first.

2) I know. I suspect a growing number of Biowares clientele is in it for the the flash and the shooting. But if its a marketing ploy, at least have the decency to explain that to the core competence clientbase that has made you succesfull so far. Its not much to ask, and any first year student of economics will tell you that abandoning your core competances and client base in a time of fiscal crisis is a bad idea.

3) Which makes your claim hearsay at best. You point fingers at me for getting an impression of the game through an officially sanctioned canon demo, and yet you see no problem in putting stock into leaked, and possibly false, out of date or wrong script leaks. Who has the more solid ground here... you or me? 

5) Yep. But moving faster isnt de facto a good thing. Which is pretty much my point.

1. You could just...You know....Play the dlc! It's not like it not explained.
2.Why do they have to explain everything to you?(Even though they have already.) It's common sence to see thing...This is how marketing is like. Also, they are not abondoning their core client base. A company does not always have to bow to just one client.
3. I'm not refurring to the script and they don't just make entire functioning  game level just to scrap it. What's in the beta will be in the game.
4. As I said before, controled speed. That clearly means going too fast is a bad thing.

[HiddenKING]

I blame Capcom.

[Farbautisonn]

TK EL wrote...
1. Since this demo doesn't spoil anything, then its achieved its intended purpose. If they let you know the information you're asking about in just the demo, then they have failed and might as well give you the game for free or mail you the script right now.

2. Not by coming here. By buying the DLC and comics, you know supporting the company and game you love so much. Hell read the mass effect wiki, the devs have stated repeatedly how reliable it is. Not too hard for you to do I hope.

4. Lol, go to the spoiler section of the forums, thats all the proof I'm giving. You want a link? omgmasseffectbetaleakftw.com

5. So they have to justify human motion with lore now? 

1) You dont read much do you? Not alot of experience with litterature, narratives, storybuilding or even fairytales I take it? What harm can come in explaining how we got from the Collector base to the trial? Its like haveing hansel and gretel starting out in the pancake house in the cage. Not knowing how we got there, why or the prelude is essential to the story. Cut that, and you have lost people even before you start.

2) The client base that buys ME3 pretty much have a right to know how they got there. Its essential... get this... essential, information. Buy leaving it out of the stand alone game, main game, you are ignoring your history telling. Oh... I think Ive supported Bioware more than most. Ive bought their games several times, wore out the discs to BG 1 and 2 three times etc and have bough most of their gaming products. Ive followed them for more than a decade. Thats pretty loyal in this industry.

3) Great... more hearsay not sanctioned or declared canon by devs. How about "No". Find me a source that has a dev stating that your "leaks" are canon. Please.

4) Year. Pigs dont fly either. 

[TK EL_]

lgrevenl wrote...

Just for the record, I'd like to state that while I said that Origin is an incentive for me to pirate the game, I doubt I will even play it given the views that have been expressed to me about the demo. I have not pirated a game in years, and given the number of top quality of games at low prices these days, there's hardly a need to.

I was trying to make a point, which most people have missed completely.

 Oh, he's back. Don't back down now OP, you're knee deep already. You made no mention about the deom, someone else did that. You issue was with EA and origin which we have made clear is not a valid excuse to pirate the game. You had no point to begin with and you sure as hell dont have any now

[GIJooTheWarHero]

I bet the OP was going to pirate it anyway but was trying to reaffirm his/her conscience or try to justify it with support from the community.

[C9316]

HiddenKING wrote...

I blame Crapcom.

Fix'd

[Kroepoek]

I hate the fact I have to get it on Origin, while having 1 & 2 on Steam already.

I hope EA enjoys the non-excistent data it will be sending through Origin. Sandboxie ftw. Capatalist pigs.

[mjharper]

Farbautisonn wrote...

1) You dont read much do you? Not alot of experience with litterature, narratives, storybuilding or even fairytales I take it? What harm can come in explaining how we got from the Collector base to the trial? Its like haveing hansel and gretel starting out in the pancake house in the cage. Not knowing how we got there, why or the prelude is essential to the story. Cut that, and you have lost people even before you start.

Can we please wait for the game to be released before we criticise the start of the game? PLEASE?

Otherwise the argument amounts to, "The demo for ME3 doesn't begin exactly where ME2 ended!". Big frakkin deal.

[dreman9999]

Farbautisonn wrote...

TK EL wrote...
1. Since this demo doesn't spoil anything, then its achieved its intended purpose. If they let you know the information you're asking about in just the demo, then they have failed and might as well give you the game for free or mail you the script right now.

2. Not by coming here. By buying the DLC and comics, you know supporting the company and game you love so much. Hell read the mass effect wiki, the devs have stated repeatedly how reliable it is. Not too hard for you to do I hope.

4. Lol, go to the spoiler section of the forums, thats all the proof I'm giving. You want a link? omgmasseffectbetaleakftw.com

5. So they have to justify human motion with lore now? 

1) You dont read much do you? Not alot of experience with litterature, narratives, storybuilding or even fairytales I take it? What harm can come in explaining how we got from the Collector base to the trial? Its like haveing hansel and gretel starting out in the pancake house in the cage. Not knowing how we got there, why or the prelude is essential to the story. Cut that, and you have lost people even before you start.

2) The client base that buys ME3 pretty much have a right to know how they got there. Its essential... get this... essential, information. Buy leaving it out of the stand alone game, main game, you are ignoring your history telling. Oh... I think Ive supported Bioware more than most. Ive bought their games several times, wore out the discs to BG 1 and 2 three times etc and have bough most of their gaming products. Ive followed them for more than a decade. Thats pretty loyal in this industry.

3) Great... more hearsay not sanctioned or declared canon by devs. How about "No". Find me a source that has a dev stating that your "leaks" are canon. Please.

4) Year. Pigs dont fly either. 

1. Funny refernce since the demo is just made to show a small part of the story. The demo is not a full example of how the story is going to be treated. This just mean that the demo has things you don't like not the full gamr. Do you really think the full game will not have codex that does cover this?

2.Read my first exaple,

3. Like a dev who wants to keep him job will ever say anything.

Modifié par dreman9999, 21 février 2012 - 02:35 .

[Rockworm503]

Farbautisonn wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

ME3 story was not all overthe place. Vega was never place as role yet of importance for anyone to as "why is he important yet" This not like thesibling killing in da2.
Then the demo goes in detial abour what shepard did  and why.
You would see the pathos for the kid.
They would not care about  about a useless feature.
And understand the demo focus is to show gameplay not story

Also, dialoge was alway a bit cheesey.

Erm... yes it was.

Shepard apparently knows Vega and has a history with him, and yet we are left with no clue why or how.

Detail. Riiight. Andersons "What you did would have gotten anyone else sacked" is "detail"? Really? 

Pathos for the kid. You do know what "Pathos" really means right? Emotional appeal. That kind of requires that we have some bond with the kid. Some prehistory. A wave, a smile, a ballgame, perhaps even a flashback to Shepards own childhood. Something that shows a connection. We get nothing except the cheapest possible storyhook. "Shepard sees child playing in garden. Shepard later sees kid again. Kid dies in reaper attack. Presto, you may now cry your heart out." -Wat?  Im a father of two and I love kids to death. Im a rather sentimental bastard. I cry during cartoons. And yet that bit left me completely.... void. I undestand the reasoning and I see the attempt. But does it work. Not at all.

And yet that "useless feature" was implemented inthe previous games and in this game its replaced by another useless feature, the barrel roll, that is about as implausible and illogical as it can be. Shepard carries kit on his back and is wearing armour. Try doing a roll in that. Try not getting hurt in that. Try doing it constantly without becomming intensely fatigued. Try finding out what high end tactical teams (SAS, DELTA, GSG9) uses a barrel roll whilst wearing tactical gear. Holstering your gun however is pretty essential to a tactical team.

The gameplay IS the story with bioware. Allways was. No story, no bioware. Bioware has been the benchmark for storytelling in computer games for more than a decade. If we dont see any kind of interaction (or severely crippled interaction) with our NPC's... why the hell bother? Why not just do an entire movie sequence. Especially if the lines delivered are so feeble that even the writers of the game implicitly recognize it by stating at the trial "Thats it?".

Do you see what I am getting at?

You lost me there.
Oh dear god forbid a game be fun I demand 100% realism in my war against the reapers.  I do not care one iota that rolling isn't plausible its fun as hell good enough for me.
I guess games shouldn't be games anymore.

Modifié par Rockworm503, 21 février 2012 - 02:38 .

[TK EL_]

Farbautisonn wrote...

1) You dont read much do you? Not alot of experience with litterature, narratives, storybuilding or even fairytales I take it? What harm can come in explaining how we got from the Collector base to the trial? Its like haveing hansel and gretel starting out in the pancake house in the cage. Not knowing how we got there, why or the prelude is essential to the story. Cut that, and you have lost people even before you start.

2) The client base that buys ME3 pretty much have a right to know how they got there. Its essential... get this... essential, information. Buy leaving it out of the stand alone game, main game, you are ignoring your history telling. Oh... I think Ive supported Bioware more than most. Ive bought their games several times, wore out the discs to BG 1 and 2 three times etc and have bough most of their gaming products. Ive followed them for more than a decade. Thats pretty loyal in this industry.

3) Great... more hearsay not sanctioned or declared canon by devs. How about "No". Find me a source that has a dev stating that your "leaks" are canon. Please.

4) Year. Pigs dont fly either. 

Sigh, this is boring now.

1.) & 2.) Its a demo, they will not and should not give away critical information. If you want to know firsthand, play the DLC and stop crying or just wait for the full freaking game.

3.) Are you saying you don't know there was a leak script or are you just trolling now? All the proof you need is that Casey said even with the leak, they are not changing most of the script. There's your canon for you. While it was an old script, a large percent of it will be canon.

4.) your issue with the roll is disturbing. Its there, its good, it improves combat, deal with it. You may not see the use playing as a soldier, but a vanguard, sentinel or melee infiltrator would disagree with you

[mjharper]

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Funny refernce since the demo is just made to show a small part of the story. The demo is not a full example of how the story is going to be treated. This just mean that the demo has things you don't like not the full gamr. Do you really think the full game will not have codex that does cover this?

Been trying to convince him of the difference between demo and game for a couple of pages now. It isn't going to work.

[Kroepoek]

mjharper wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Funny refernce since the demo is just made to show a small part of the story. The demo is not a full example of how the story is going to be treated. This just mean that the demo has things you don't like not the full gamr. Do you really think the full game will not have codex that does cover this?

Been trying to convince him of the difference between demo and game for a couple of pages now. It isn't going to work.

People tried the same with the DA2 demo. That turned out wonderful.

Wait...

[lgrevenl]

TK EL wrote...

lgrevenl wrote...

Just for the record, I'd like to state that while I said that Origin is an incentive for me to pirate the game, I doubt I will even play it given the views that have been expressed to me about the demo. I have not pirated a game in years, and given the number of top quality of games at low prices these days, there's hardly a need to.

I was trying to make a point, which most people have missed completely.

 Oh, he's back. Don't back down now OP, you're knee deep already. You made no mention about the deom, someone else did that. You issue was with EA and origin which we have made clear is not a valid excuse to pirate the game. You had no point to begin with and you sure as hell dont have any now

Oh please. Explain to me how I'm backing down. And I made no mention that piracy was a legitimate excuse. I said it was an incentive. A perfectly understandable one at that.

[TK EL_]

Fix1o0 wrote...

I hate the fact I have to get it on Origin, while having 1 & 2 on Steam already.

I hope EA enjoys the non-excistent data it will be sending through Origin. Sandboxie ftw. Capatalist pigs.

Your import data from having 1 & 2 on steam is usable for ME 3 on origin so I don't see the issue here

Modifié par TK EL , 21 février 2012 - 02:41 .

[Kroepoek]

TK EL wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

I hate the fact I have to get it on Origin, while having 1 & 2 on Steam already.

I hope EA enjoys the non-excistent data it will be sending through Origin. Sandboxie ftw. Capatalist pigs.

Your import data from having 1 & 2 on steam is usable for ME 3 on origin so I don't see the issue here

I'm talking about non-personal information. Heck, knowing EA there will be personal information send aswell.

[SonvarTheMighty]

@OP
Stop beating a dead horse. If you really want to play this legally and not use Origin buy the game for xbox or ps3.

[TK EL_]

lgrevenl wrote...

TK EL wrote...

lgrevenl wrote...

Just for the record, I'd like to state that while I said that Origin is an incentive for me to pirate the game, I doubt I will even play it given the views that have been expressed to me about the demo. I have not pirated a game in years, and given the number of top quality of games at low prices these days, there's hardly a need to.

I was trying to make a point, which most people have missed completely.

 Oh, he's back. Don't back down now OP, you're knee deep already. You made no mention about the demo, someone else did that. You issue was with EA and origin which we have made clear is not a valid excuse to pirate the game. You had no point to begin with and you sure as hell dont have any now

Oh please. Explain to me how I'm backing down. And I made no mention that piracy was a legitimate excuse. I said it was an incentive. A perfectly understandable one at that.

We have already proven that origin is not an incentive to pirate the game, talk less of it being a perfectly understandable one. Perfectly understandable to who? other pirates? then sure. You're trying to include the demo impressions into your reason which you never stated orginally and which would still be a very poor excuse

[mjharper]

Fix1o0 wrote...

mjharper wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Funny refernce since the demo is just made to show a small part of the story. The demo is not a full example of how the story is going to be treated. This just mean that the demo has things you don't like not the full gamr. Do you really think the full game will not have codex that does cover this?

Been trying to convince him of the difference between demo and game for a couple of pages now. It isn't going to work.

People tried the same with the DA2 demo. That turned out wonderful.

Wait...

Here we go again...

If you want to make judgements based on a demo, go ahead. But be clear that they are judgements about a demo, not about the full game. Even if the judgements turn out to be true of the game as well, they are still based on the demo, and not the game. And since none of us have the game yet, and have only played the demo, we should stop making generalised comments about the the game, because we haven't f*in played it yet.

If you don't like the writing in the demo, say that the writing in the demo sucks. But don't think that's the same as saying that the writing in the game sucks.

Sheesh. Why is this so hard for people to get their heads around?

Modifié par mjharper, 21 février 2012 - 02:46 .

[lgrevenl]

SonvarTheMighty wrote...

@OP
Stop beating a dead horse. If you really want to play this legally and not use Origin buy the game for xbox or ps3.

This thread is still very much alive seeing as you just posted. And you're missing the point. Another one for the tally

[TK EL_]

Fix1o0 wrote...

TK EL wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

I hate the fact I have to get it on Origin, while having 1 & 2 on Steam already.

I hope EA enjoys the non-excistent data it will be sending through Origin. Sandboxie ftw. Capatalist pigs.

Your import data from having 1 & 2 on steam is usable for ME 3 on origin so I don't see the issue here

I'm talking about non-personal information. Heck, knowing EA there will be personal information send aswell.

If it includes personal info, then sue them and enjoy your big payday.