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[Collider]

jlb524 wrote...

Collider wrote...
Maybe I'd prefer characters being straight to copy-and-paste bisexual romances.

AKA, I dun wanna share my toys!

Considering (this portion) it's a single player game, there's no sharing involved.

For the record, that includes homosexual romances as well. I would prefer Steve and Samantha to remain homosexual and have dialog particular to the genders involved, rather than being bisexual and having gender neutral dialog. Maybe you disagree, but I care more about uniqueness of the romances.

Modifié par Collider, 21 février 2012 - 08:38 .

[Red by Full Metal Jacket]

Collider wrote...

For the record, that includes homosexual romances as well. I would prefer Steve and Samantha to remain homosexual and have dialog particular to the genders involved, rather than being bisexual and having gender neutral dialog. Maybe you disagree, but I care more about uniqueness of the romances.

I would glad to Share Steve with FemShep if it means he gets a non-generic face.

[Collider]

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

Collider wrote...
For the record, that includes homosexual romances as well. I would prefer Steve and Samantha to remain homosexual and have dialog particular to the genders involved, rather than being bisexual and having gender neutral dialog. Maybe you disagree, but I care more about uniqueness of the romances.

I would glad to Share Steve with FemShep if it means he gets a non-generic face.

Everyone has different preferences, yes.

[jlb524]

Collider wrote...

For the record, that includes homosexual romances as well. I would prefer Steve and Samantha to remain homosexual and have dialog particular to the genders involved, rather than being bisexual and having gender neutral dialog. Maybe you disagree, but I care more about uniqueness of the romances.

Unique?  The romances aren't unique to begin with.  Everyone who does a Jacob romance experiences the same thing.  They are generic and there's no reaction to your individual Shepard.  If I were to do the Samantha romance I'd experience the same thing as my other FemShep playing friend that did the Samantha romance...but limiting her to just females somehow makes it unique?

Having 'hetero or ****** only LIs' just prevents one gender from seeing that content (for really, no good reason).  If the LI has to be exclusive because their gender/sexuality is an important part of the romance narrative then that's a different story.

Also, since it's a 'single player game' why are you even concerned with 'uniqueness' across other people's playthroughs?

Modifié par jlb524, 21 février 2012 - 09:13 .

[Hyrist]

Yeah, the Reapers are Try-sexual. As in they're trying everything possible to get you in bed - including raiding your homeworld.

[Raiders Fan 223]

Would Bioware have more gay/bi options than straight options?

[Hyrist]

I donno, or don't care. Why should it matter to any?

Most people probably won't even encounter the Same-sex situations or can easily avoid it if they've got an existing LI.

If it breaks your precious immersion, don't trip it off.

[Collider]

Many (not all) of the current romances have dialog unique to the fact that Shepard is x gender. Moreso for female Shepard's romances, but there's some for male Shepard's romances as well.

I like unique content when I play as the male or female player character. That includes, hopefully, less than trivial variations in romance.

Another way of saying this is that I prefer having heterosexual or homosexual romances in which gender (or alignment, etc) is important, rather than copy and paste bisexual romances which don't take into account a particular player character's characteristics, such as gender (or again, alignment and such).

Other people don't really factor into this particular preference. I'm thinking of what I'd like to play. If I think of the playerbase as a whole, I'd prefer everyone to be "bisexual" so the issue is resolved and everyone has a pick at who they want.

[Ryzaki]

I'd rather have all bi LIs personally. Copy + Paste dialogues annoys me less than not having an option because well...they had to be restricted...for some reason.

[dw99027]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

dw99027 wrote...

It's almost the year 2200... Being BI may be the norm... especially with earth's impending doom looming overhead....

Why would Reapers invading the Earth make people bi?

Not by conviction... more by... reduced inhibition due to time running out.

[Hoot42]

SolidBeast wrote...

Simple answer: no.

Longer answer: Samantha is f/f only, Steve is m/m only, Diana possibly bi, but unconfirmed, Kaidan/Ashley bi according to a source who has a build of the game, Kelly is bi, Liara as well, James not romanceable according to same source, Tali and Garrus are probably for old romances only, but there are some indications in the script that Tali may be a new romance. If that is so, then she is likely straight.

Who the hell are these people you are referring too? Samantha? Steve? Diana? iam confused!

[Hoot42]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Hoot42 wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Simple answer: no.

Longer answer: Samantha is f/f only, Steve is m/m only, Diana possibly bi, but unconfirmed, Kaidan/Ashley bi according to a source who has a build of the game, Kelly is bi, Liara as well, James not romanceable according to same source, Tali and Garrus are probably for old romances only, but there are some indications in the script that Tali may be a new romance. If that is so, then she is likely straight.

Who the hell are these people you are referring too? Samantha? Steve? Diana? iam confused!

New characters in ME3. Samantha is comm officer, Steve flies the shuttle, and Diana's a reporter.

Thank you good sir.

[jlb524]

Collider wrote...
Many (not all) of the current romances have dialog unique to the fact that Shepard is x gender. Moreso for female Shepard's romances, but there's some for male Shepard's romances as well.

I like unique content when I play as the male or female player character. That includes, hopefully, less than trivial variations in romance.

That is a separate issue from 'all bi'.  You can (theoretically) have a romance that is open to both genders and have different content that's not trivial.

I'm not sure why you need to have this when there are no differences between different male Shepards romancing the same female LI.  Ideally, I want my various Liara romance to play out differently and react to 'my' specific Shepard but they don't.

Collider wrote... 
Another way of saying this is that I prefer having heterosexual or homosexual romances in which gender (or alignment, etc) is important, rather than copy and paste bisexual romances which don't take into account a particular player character's characteristics, such as gender (or again, alignment and such).

I agree more reactive companions in general is a good thing in theory...but that will either take a lot more effort or to place even more restrictions on the type of person the PC can be (or have more restrictions on the type of person an LI will romance).  

Collider wrote...  
Other people don't really factor into this particular preference. I'm thinking of what I'd like to play. If I think of the playerbase as a whole, I'd prefer everyone to be "bisexual" so the issue is resolved and everyone has a pick at who they want.

Well, in that case...I'd prefer all LIs to be homosexual (and more reactive to my own character)....but the 'open' thing is better for all.

[Ash J. Williams]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

lastpatriot wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

lastpatriot wrote...

How can the VS now be bi? That simply makes no sense - especially for Ashley when you consider her background story. This just sounds like DA:2 all over again.

What does Ashley's background have to do with the possibility of her being bi?

Well, I suppose nothing specific but when you play through ME:1, she clearly has no interest in FemShep.

Neither does Garrus, and we know how that one ended up.

There is one thing from her background which would suggest she wouldn't, if you talk to her in ME1 she's quite  religious so its unlikely she'd ever be interested in Femshep since generally the majority of religious people view it as a sin.

[Cazlee]

Ash J. Williams wrote...
There is one thing from her background which would suggest she wouldn't, if you talk to her in ME1 she's quite religious so its unlikely she'd ever be interested in Femshep since generally the majority of religious people view it as a sin.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ash'es faith is brought up only once. She says she believes in a God, and it's possible to believe that God exists without being religious. And of course, it's possible to be gay or bisexual and religious.

[Ash J. Williams]

Cazlee wrote...

Ash J. Williams wrote...
There is one thing from her background which would suggest she wouldn't, if you talk to her in ME1 she's quite religious so its unlikely she'd ever be interested in Femshep since generally the majority of religious people view it as a sin.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ash'es faith is brought up only once. She says she believes in a God, and it's possible to believe that God exists without being religious. And of course, it's possible to be gay or bisexual and religious.

While yes I believe it was only one cutscene in which she mentions it but generally when somebody mentions God/and faith, believes in an afterlife, & judgment day you could reasonably assume they are religious...but that's not to say she couldn't just believe in a "god" and could very well be what you stated. I was careful to not say anything definite in my post only to throw in something somebody hadn't mentioned yet.

EDIT: And yeah I agree its very possible to be gay/bi and religious...just not exactly common especially when most religions condemn it.

Modifié par Ash J. Williams, 22 février 2012 - 12:59 .

[Wonderllama4]

Every woman except Ashley should be bi. dammit Miranda, you know you have feelings for FemShep!

[Ash J. Williams]

Wonderllama4 wrote...

Every woman except Ashley should be bi. dammit Miranda, you know you have feelings for FemShep!

That hiney should be able to make any woman swoon

[android654]

Ash J. Williams wrote...
There is one thing from her background which would suggest she wouldn't, if you talk to her in ME1 she's quite  religious so its unlikely she'd ever be interested in Femshep since generally the majority of religious people view it as a sin.

That's the thing about being religious, people tend to be selective about which portions adhere to them and which don't. Personally I'd be all for a bi Ashley, like they originally made her.

[frylock23]

Collider wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Collider wrote...
Maybe I'd prefer characters being straight to copy-and-paste bisexual romances.

AKA, I dun wanna share my toys!

Considering (this portion) it's a single player game, there's no sharing involved.

For the record, that includes homosexual romances as well. I would prefer Steve and Samantha to remain homosexual and have dialog particular to the genders involved, rather than being bisexual and having gender neutral dialog. Maybe you disagree, but I care more about uniqueness of the romances.

I agree with this, and instead of calling the gender neutral dialogue "bi sexual" I would prefer it be called "ambisexual." It's intended to produce a romance that plays out how the player intends without making the NPC have any preconceived set sexual preference. Hence, the player can hear it and think it's clearly "gay" or clearly "straight" or even clearly "bi." Contrast it with say Zevran from DA:O who makes absolutely no bones about his willingness to sleep with lovers of either gender and enjoys it. To me, that's clearly a "bi sexual" character.

Now, you tell me which romances have more depth and more feeling, romances like Zevran's where the character clearly has a gender orientation and preference and is open about it and talks about his past with that orientation, or characters that are limited in what they can say and talk about because if they get too much depth iin talking about their depth, they might start revealing details that give them a clear orientation?

I understand BioWare's desire to cater to all preferences, but in so doing by making any and all characters romanceable by players of any orientation, but I have to wonder if we're missing out on the truly great characters of the past BioWare games by demanding so much fan service instead of taking the gems we are served up. I understand that BioWare can only write so many characters, and I also understand that by demanding that my characters show a clear orientation I may not find the character whose looks are to my taste will display an orientation to my preference ... but hey, BioWare got me to romance Zevran, something my usual orientation preference doesn't incline to. Maybe more players will expand their horizons if they're that desparate to romance a character. I did.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Wonderllama4 wrote...

Every woman except Ashley should be bi. dammit Miranda, you know you have feelings for FemShep!

IIRC, Miranda originally was bisexual.

[staindgrey]

SolidBeast wrote...

Simple answer: no.

Longer answer: Samantha is f/f only, Steve is m/m only, Diana possibly bi, but unconfirmed, Kaidan/Ashley bi according to a source who has a build of the game, Kelly is bi, Liara as well, James not romanceable according to same source, Tali and Garrus are probably for old romances only, but there are some indications in the script that Tali may be a new romance. If that is so, then she is likely straight.

Wait wait wait wait wait wait. Wait. Hold up.

I've done my absolute best to never look at the leaked script and whatnot. Only spoiler I've had thus far is the Prothean squadmate.

So I need to ask... Why are all of these squadmate names human? Please don't tell me that now four of the new squadmates are all human.

So. Much. Wasted. Potential.