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[staindgrey]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

staindgrey wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Simple answer: no.

Longer answer: Samantha is f/f only, Steve is m/m only, Diana possibly bi, but unconfirmed, Kaidan/Ashley bi according to a source who has a build of the game, Kelly is bi, Liara as well, James not romanceable according to same source, Tali and Garrus are probably for old romances only, but there are some indications in the script that Tali may be a new romance. If that is so, then she is likely straight.

Wait wait wait wait wait wait. Wait. Hold up.

I've done my absolute best to never look at the leaked script and whatnot. Only spoiler I've had thus far is the Prothean squadmate.

So I need to ask... Why are all of these squadmate names human? Please don't tell me that now four of the new squadmates are all human.

So. Much. Wasted. Potential.

Samantha, Steve and Diana are not squadmates; just crew members.

Thank you. And now, my blood pressure has returned to normal.

[android654]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Wonderllama4 wrote...

Every woman except Ashley should be bi. dammit Miranda, you know you have feelings for FemShep!

IIRC, Miranda originally was bisexual.

She's definitely the most "adventerous" of all the characters thus far.

[staindgrey]

android654 wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

Wonderllama4 wrote...

Every woman except Ashley should be bi. dammit Miranda, you know you have feelings for FemShep!

IIRC, Miranda originally was bisexual.

She's definitely the most "adventerous" of all the characters thus far.

I can see her getting it on with another woman just to prove how perfect she is at everything.

Then whine about said perfection afterward.

[mauro2222]

staindgrey wrote...

android654 wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

Wonderllama4 wrote...

Every woman except Ashley should be bi. dammit Miranda, you know you have feelings for FemShep!

IIRC, Miranda originally was bisexual.

She's definitely the most "adventerous" of all the characters thus far.

I can see her getting it on with another woman just to prove how perfect she is at everything.

Then whine about said perfection afterward.

Miranda: "I'm so good in bed... my father made me perfect because he wanted a sex doll as daughter"

She sounds bi-polar sometimes.

Miri: "I'm perfect Shepard *sigh* is such a burden... but I'm perfect at carrying burdens *sigh* but is such a heavy weight"

Modifié par mauro2222, 22 février 2012 - 02:01 .

[HK-90210]

OP, you actually expect people to know before the game is out? How long have you been following Bioware games?

[Agamo45]

After all the hate that DA2 got for that( and deservedly so), I doubt that BW would repeat that mistake. Of course, I wouldn't put anything past them.

[mauro2222]

I fail to see why DA2 romances were a fail.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Because all the characters were obnoxious bastards

Carry on.

[Unpleasant Implications]

Ash J. Williams wrote...
There is one thing from her background which would suggest she wouldn't, if you talk to her in ME1 she's quite  religious so its unlikely she'd ever be interested in Femshep since generally the majority of religious people view it as a sin.

No, intrusive religious people view as a sin. The others are too busy being pious and what not.

[Vapaa]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Raiders Fan 223 wrote...

Would Bioware have more gay/bi options than straight options?

Given that all ME2 LIs are straight, no, they wouldn't.

Mmmmmh, for what we know in terms of NEW romances for Femshep it's one at best for straight Fshep, versus two at worst for Lesbshep 

[staindgrey]

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

Ash J. Williams wrote...
There is one thing from her background which would suggest she wouldn't, if you talk to her in ME1 she's quite  religious so its unlikely she'd ever be interested in Femshep since generally the majority of religious people view it as a sin.

No, intrusive religious people view as a sin. The others are too busy being pious and what not.

Viewing it as a sin and condemning people for it are two different things. The majority of the Christian religious community deem it as a sin in which they shouldn't partake, but a much smaller portion actually come out and condemn LGBT members for it.

So it's very, very possible that Ash sees homosexuality as somewhat of a "hey, if you like it, go ahead, but don't include me" scenario. It's also possible that she was born gay and has been fighting against it for a long time, only to give in when fighting for humanity's very survival (there is TONS of potential for good conflict there). Furthermore, it's possible that Christianity itself has evolved in its thinking in 174 years, and inter-species romance has now trumped gay romance as an important "sin" (much like how today gay romance has trumped interracial romance).

Or Bioware could be lazy and not address the issue at all. Fully possible.

[Cazlee]

These criticisms about "religion" are amusing and all, but where exactly does Ashely say anything at about following the old testament. Or imply that she's religious. To my knowledge, all she says is that she believes in a higher power. She died early in my game though.

[Ryzaki]

mauro2222 wrote...

I fail to see why DA2 romances were a fail.

Same.

Those same 5 maps though...(and the railroading of the plot) I could see how that was fail. But the romances? Heck I preferred them over ME's "Hi, wham bam thank you ma'am." )

[android654]

staindgrey wrote...

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

Ash J. Williams wrote...
There is one thing from her background which would suggest she wouldn't, if you talk to her in ME1 she's quite  religious so its unlikely she'd ever be interested in Femshep since generally the majority of religious people view it as a sin.

No, intrusive religious people view as a sin. The others are too busy being pious and what not.

Viewing it as a sin and condemning people for it are two different things. The majority of the Christian religious community deem it as a sin in which they shouldn't partake, but a much smaller portion actually come out and condemn LGBT members for it.

So it's very, very possible that Ash sees homosexuality as somewhat of a "hey, if you like it, go ahead, but don't include me" scenario. It's also possible that she was born gay and has been fighting against it for a long time, only to give in when fighting for humanity's very survival (there is TONS of potential for good conflict there). Furthermore, it's possible that Christianity itself has evolved in its thinking in 174 years, and inter-species romance has now trumped gay romance as an important "sin" (much like how today gay romance has trumped interracial romance).

Or Bioware could be lazy and not address the issue at all. Fully possible.

There's a large section of the christian community that is also a part of LGBT community too. They're usually younger and younger christians tend to see that version of god with more room for acceptance for people that are condemned in the bible. So it's plausible for Ashley to be gay or bisexual and believe in the christian god.

[frylock23]

android654 wrote...

staindgrey wrote...

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

Ash J. Williams wrote...
There is one thing from her background which would suggest she wouldn't, if you talk to her in ME1 she's quite  religious so its unlikely she'd ever be interested in Femshep since generally the majority of religious people view it as a sin.

No, intrusive religious people view as a sin. The others are too busy being pious and what not.

Viewing it as a sin and condemning people for it are two different things. The majority of the Christian religious community deem it as a sin in which they shouldn't partake, but a much smaller portion actually come out and condemn LGBT members for it.

So it's very, very possible that Ash sees homosexuality as somewhat of a "hey, if you like it, go ahead, but don't include me" scenario. It's also possible that she was born gay and has been fighting against it for a long time, only to give in when fighting for humanity's very survival (there is TONS of potential for good conflict there). Furthermore, it's possible that Christianity itself has evolved in its thinking in 174 years, and inter-species romance has now trumped gay romance as an important "sin" (much like how today gay romance has trumped interracial romance).

Or Bioware could be lazy and not address the issue at all. Fully possible.

There's a large section of the christian community that is also a part of LGBT community too. They're usually younger and younger christians tend to see that version of god with more room for acceptance for people that are condemned in the bible. So it's plausible for Ashley to be gay or bisexual and believe in the christian god.

See, there's also this massive confusion most people have with what "hate the sin; love the sinner" actually means. Everybody sins; most Christians understand and accept that and understand that everyone does things that aren't exactly what they should be doing. You should try your best to do right, but no one is perfect. So,it's pretty narrow to decide to completely hate a person for doing something sinful. After all, it's a cinch you're busy doing sinful things yourself every day.

[Oldbones2]

There's nothing wrong with being bisexual, but in DA2 I think every character was playing for both teams. It gives you great ingame options, but makes for rather unrealistic characters.

[Ihatebadgames]

If you only play one character at a time.How do you know they (Love Intrest)are bi?,how is that unrealistic?

[jeweledleah]

Ryzaki wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

I fail to see why DA2 romances were a fail.

Same.

Those same 5 maps though...(and the railroading of the plot) I could see how that was fail. But the romances? Heck I preferred them over ME's "Hi, wham bam thank you ma'am." )

"I will drown this city in blood oh and btw, I share a body with vengful spirit, that I cannot control very well."
"get away from me, you make me remember"
"oh and btw, even if I'm bringing back that qunari book, I'm still running away for 3 years."
"I must fix that mirror, I just must!  oh and I take everything litteraly"
"Chantry, chantry, chantry, if you play your cards right - wait till after marriage"

granted, sexual orientations or lack of thereoff was the least of DA2 romance issues, and how fail they are is subjective, based on the kind of romances you prefer, but... DA2, for me, had the worst romances out of both DA and ME universe.

P.S.  I don't like copy pasting either.  but then I like to have insentive to play as a different gender and if romances as well as general dialogue options are identical regardless of gender, that insentive is basicaly gone.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 22 février 2012 - 06:15 .

[Ryzaki]

jeweledleah wrote...
"I will drown this city in blood oh and btw, I share a body with vengful spirit, that I cannot control very well."
"get away from me, you make me remember"
"oh and btw, even if I'm bringing back that qunari book, I'm still running away for 3 years."
"I must fix that mirror, I just must!  oh and I take everything litteraly"
"Chantry, chantry, chantry, if you play your cards right - wait till after marriage"

granted, sexual orientations or lack of thereoff was the least of DA2 romance issues, and how fail they are is subjective, based on the kind of romances you prefer, but... DA2, for me, had the worst romances out of both DA and ME universe.

P.S.  I don't like copy pasting either.  but then I like to have insentive to play as a different gender and if romances as well as general dialogue options are identical regardless of gender, that insentive is basicaly gone.

Eh it is pretty subjective true enough I didn't find ME1's romances to be as good as some people were claiming they were. And ME2's were worse. And yeah I can do the take the worst attributes of each romance and smush them in a line completely out of context with a shallow understanding of the characters game too if I felt like it.

"Oh Shepard thanks for saving me twice btw I like poetry and hurr durr how can you not look at the galaxy and think something created it?! Cause everyone's religious IKR?"
"Oh hi Shepard you remind me of that chick I had a crush on, I broke some dude's neck when he took out a knife and that's why I make sure I have tight self control. Oh yeah and I'm totally going to change my outlook because you tell me the council is mean and you're hot." 
"Oh hi Shepard *swoon* BTW I looked up some info on you because I'm too socially awkward to just ask."

For all of them: "Oh Shepard! We're going to go fight Saren and...and...let's have sex now!"

And frankly worst romances IMO go to BG2 hands down. Just utterly horrible *shudders*. ME1 and ME2 are right after that.

Yeah I don't need extra incentive to play a different gender. If I want to play a different gender I'll play one. Simple as that. Don't need the game to give me a reason to.

Opinions are nice

Still I don't see how the DA2 romances are fail. Disliking them sure. But fail? Nope don't see it. You might find them fail but well I don't understand it. So *shrugs*

Fail to me are for utter abominations like having the same map for different locals and having pretty much nothing change in 7 years.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 22 février 2012 - 07:02 .

[Mass Writer]

Was I the only one here who thought Jack was going to be a bi LI in ME2? I was disapointed when I found out she wasn't.

[mauro2222]

Bisexuals don't exist.

That's why I'm an imaginary entity, who lurks BSN.

[jlb524]

Ryzaki wrote...
Fail to me are for utter abominations like having the same map for different locals and having pretty much nothing change in 7 years.

Yeah...those damn DA2 LIs didn't change their clothes in like...7 years (well, Merrill got a new outfit but then she wore that for the next 3 years).

Ryzaki wrote...
Yeah I don't need extra incentive to play a different gender. If I want to play a different gender I'll play one. Simple as that. Don't need the game to give me a reason to. 

I never understood why there needs to be a reason to play a different gender (or race).

If I want to RP an elf...imma gonna do that because I want to play an elf character.  I'm not sure why the game must give me an incentive to do that.

Modifié par jlb524, 22 février 2012 - 06:35 .

[Nynaeve]

mauro2222 wrote...

Bisexuals don't exist.

That's why I'm an imaginary entity, who lurks BSN.

[Collider]

That is a separate issue from 'all bi'. You can (theoretically) have a romance that is open to both genders and have different content that's not trivial.

That would be the ideal, yes.
However, after DA2 I don't expect Bioware to do this.
I don't need to have it, but I'd like it for the sake of replay value. That is of course, again in terms of what I'd like to play as an individual.

Or Bioware could be lazy and not address the issue at all. Fully possible.

If Ashley has a religion or spiritual world view that doesn't view homosexuality as taboo one way or another, it doesn't need to be addressed.

Belief in God and an afterlife doesn't necessitate *any* opinion regarding homosexuality or homosexual actions.

Moreover, religion and apparent conservatism today is probably different than that of Mass Effect's universe.

[M-Taylor]

I don't see why people continually say the characters were bisexual in DA2. This is really quite inaccurate.

Their sexuality depends entirely on your own character. The only one who I can honestly say IS bisexual is Isabella. She's the only one who flirts outright with you no matter what.

If you play a female Hawke and never flirt with Merril, it's never established she's bisexual and could be interpreted that she's straight in that playthrough. If you play a male Hawke and never flirt with Fenris, he's straight in that play through too.

Really, I thought it was quite a clever system. The characters react to your own character, and it's not established anywhere that they're definately bisexual/gay/straight. It depends entirely on your character/your choices as a character. Don't think of them as bisexual, think of them as reactive to your character.

The same goes for the VS. Got Kaidan alive in your straight male Shepard? Never flirt with him and ta-da, he's not bisexual in your play through. Just the same ol' Kaidan.