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[Siansonea]

Are people raging about the sexuality of NPCs again? Look at that.

[Kabraxal]

How is it character reconstruction when only Jack actually says anything about the issue... and you really can't take that at face value give her past (not saying it's true, but questionable).

[MegaBadExample]

mauro2222 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

Oh, all right. So basically: "I really don't know why, but I was never attracted to you before, Shepard, but I am now." …………… “Because Bioware made me, because Kaidan died on Virmire, and we're now the same person, say the same things, and like the same things too." Got cha.
Bioware do a half-assed job when it comes to the VS....

Haha, funny. That's how two of my friends became the love birds that they are now, one was gay the other is 100% attracted to women, but you know what? love has no limits, he fell in love of his friend who was always for him who was everything he asked for in a lover, and you know why he didn't care? because feeling disgusted by seeing homosexual acts is a learned behaviour. He isn't attracted to males, his... errmm dick gets hard with naked women (so he's still heterosexual), but he loves a man.

Edit: Not a man, his friend.

What a beatiful story.

You really can't talk when you said, what you did about the DA2 romances.


After Mass effect 3, I’m done. Bioware can’t be consistent. Their next game will probably just be one giant orgy in Kirkwall, and you'll all love it.

[Ryzaki]

*rolls eyes*

Yes because all the (OMG 4 LIS SHOCK AND HORROR!) being bisexual = massive orgy. Because all bisexuals are loose and ****. Obviously.

[jellobell]

Badpie wrote...

jellobell wrote...

Badpie wrote...

You know we joke, but I really do think "Shepardsexual" is pretty accurate.  And if that's the case and everyone gets to romance who they want, I can't figure out what some people have a problem with.

This. It's even semi-confirmed if you do the Garrus romance, and I doubt that any of the other alien LIs (except perhaps Liara) would want to romance a human of any gender if it wasn't Shepard. From a biological and cultural standpoint a human/alien romance is even more implausible than a s/s human one.

This is actually a really good point.  Garrus and Tali clearly never had relationships with humans before and Garrus even says it's weird territory for him, but because they have this established friendship and trust he's willing to give it a go if she is.  Why is that totally plausible but someone like Ashley realizing she has feelings for femshep later on in their friendship isn't?

Exactly. At the end of the day, only Bioware knows what is and what isn't "consistent to the character". You can't seriously believe that you know the characters better than the people who wrote them?

Modifié par jellobell, 23 février 2012 - 03:19 .

[MegaBadExample]

jellobell wrote...

Badpie wrote...

jellobell wrote...

Badpie wrote...

You know we joke, but I really do think "Shepardsexual" is pretty accurate.  And if that's the case and everyone gets to romance who they want, I can't figure out what some people have a problem with.

This. It's even semi-confirmed if you do the Garrus romance, and I doubt that any of the other alien LIs (except perhaps Liara) would want to romance a human of any gender if it wasn't Shepard. From a biological and cultural standpoint a human/alien romance is even more implausible than a s/s human one.

This is actually a really good point.  Garrus and Tali clearly never had relationships with humans before and Garrus even says it's weird territory for him, but because they have this established friendship and trust he's willing to give it a go if she is.  Why is that totally plausible but someone like Ashley realizing she has feelings for femshep later on in their friendship isn't?

Exactly. At the end of the day, only Bioware knows what is and what isn't "consistent to the character". You can't seriously believe that you know the characters better than the people who wrote them?

Their actual writers aren't even there anymore. Says a lot.

[Kabraxal]

MegaBadExample wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

Oh, all right. So basically: "I really don't know why, but I was never attracted to you before, Shepard, but I am now." …………… “Because Bioware made me, because Kaidan died on Virmire, and we're now the same person, say the same things, and like the same things too." Got cha.
Bioware do a half-assed job when it comes to the VS....

Haha, funny. That's how two of my friends became the love birds that they are now, one was gay the other is 100% attracted to women, but you know what? love has no limits, he fell in love of his friend who was always for him who was everything he asked for in a lover, and you know why he didn't care? because feeling disgusted by seeing homosexual acts is a learned behaviour. He isn't attracted to males, his... errmm dick gets hard with naked women (so he's still heterosexual), but he loves a man.

Edit: Not a man, his friend.

What a beatiful story.

You really can't talk when you said, what you did about the DA2 romances.


After Mass effect 3, I’m done. Bioware can’t be consistent. Their next game will probably just be one giant orgy in Kirkwall, and you'll all love it.

Nothing is being contradicted......... sorry, but there is no truth set in ME1 that forces Kaidan and Ash straight, especially when the original intent was for them to be bi by all accounts.  They didnt' flat out say they weren't into a Shepard of the same sex, there were no indications of it either, and there were planned sequels.  It wasn't set in stone.

[Ryzaki]

Badpie wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

^I think a better question is "are all the LI's Shepardsexual?"

I prefer this...I hate all this labeling crap.

"Well, Kaidan is gay in my game and straight in yours."

"No no, Kaidan is bisexual."

"Ashley is pansexual and had a crush on Wrex!"

I say...who cares?  If you like the character and they are available for you to romance...then go for it.

I just laugh at how 'anal' people get over properly labeling sexuality.

You know we joke, but I really do think "Shepardsexual" is pretty accurate.  And if that's the case and everyone gets to romance who they want, I can't figure out what some people have a problem with.

Agreed with both of you.

As long as players can romance the LI of their choice I really don't care.

[SolidBeast]

MegaBadExample wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

Oh, all right. So basically: "I really don't know why, but I was never attracted to you before, Shepard, but I am now."

Believe it or not, it sometimes works like that in real life, too.
As to the other part, it's a childish exaggeration of viewing the in-game universe from a meta perspective, which I already adressed so I won't repeat myself.

I'm saying it should be explained in the game. Why didn't the VS make a move before? It was all green lights for an os Shep. Even Kaidan made his interests known to a female Shepard. And Ashley? C'mon, if she had any interest in women she would just say it like it is. Like she did with her religion. She's confident enough to just come out and say it. But no, she never did.

Character reconstruction, is what it is.  

The VS could have just thought that Shepard was heterosexual. Or they developed feelings for Shepard during the years, not at the beginning of the trilogy. It's a different universe in which Kaidan is in love with manShep and comparing it to femShep holds no meaning because she wouldn't exist in manShep's playthroughs.

Games give us a certain amount of concrete information. It is up to the player to fill in what's not there with their own imagination. It's called headcanon and it is a valid part of the RPG experience.
Furthermore, love is not a rational thing. You don't go asking "but what are the reasons for you feeling this way about me?". You can't take one aspect of a character, like Ashley's religion, for example, and attempt to predict what all of her decisions should be based on that one fact. Sometimes people do unpredictable things.

Modifié par SolidBeast, 23 février 2012 - 03:25 .

[mauro2222]

MegaBadExample wrote...

You really can't talk when you said, what you did about the DA2 romances.

Why? Because I like something that you don't my point is nullyfied?

[MegaBadExample]

Kabraxal wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

Oh, all right. So basically: "I really don't know why, but I was never attracted to you before, Shepard, but I am now." …………… “Because Bioware made me, because Kaidan died on Virmire, and we're now the same person, say the same things, and like the same things too." Got cha.
Bioware do a half-assed job when it comes to the VS....

Haha, funny. That's how two of my friends became the love birds that they are now, one was gay the other is 100% attracted to women, but you know what? love has no limits, he fell in love of his friend who was always for him who was everything he asked for in a lover, and you know why he didn't care? because feeling disgusted by seeing homosexual acts is a learned behaviour. He isn't attracted to males, his... errmm dick gets hard with naked women (so he's still heterosexual), but he loves a man.

Edit: Not a man, his friend.

What a beatiful story.

You really can't talk when you said, what you did about the DA2 romances.


After Mass effect 3, I’m done. Bioware can’t be consistent. Their next game will probably just be one giant orgy in Kirkwall, and you'll all love it.

Nothing is being contradicted......... sorry, but there is no truth set in ME1 that forces Kaidan and Ash straight, especially when the original intent was for them to be bi by all accounts.  They didnt' flat out say they weren't into a Shepard of the same sex, there were no indications of it either, and there were planned sequels.  It wasn't set in stone.

How many times do I gotta say it? In Mass Effect 1 they were never intended to be bisexual.

Bioware can't stick to their guns. That's the problem. If the VS showed interest in the ss it should've been in ME1, but in ME1 they were not interested.

[mauro2222]

MegaBadExample wrote...

After Mass effect 3, I’m done. Bioware can’t be consistent. Their next game will probably just be one giant orgy in Kirkwall, and you'll all love it.

Thank you for assuming that I'm promiscuous and a sex addict.

[jwalker]

This dead horse dug up and beatean again ?
Poor horsie
*cries*

[Kabraxal]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

Oh, all right. So basically: "I really don't know why, but I was never attracted to you before, Shepard, but I am now." …………… “Because Bioware made me, because Kaidan died on Virmire, and we're now the same person, say the same things, and like the same things too." Got cha.
Bioware do a half-assed job when it comes to the VS....

Haha, funny. That's how two of my friends became the love birds that they are now, one was gay the other is 100% attracted to women, but you know what? love has no limits, he fell in love of his friend who was always for him who was everything he asked for in a lover, and you know why he didn't care? because feeling disgusted by seeing homosexual acts is a learned behaviour. He isn't attracted to males, his... errmm dick gets hard with naked women (so he's still heterosexual), but he loves a man.

Edit: Not a man, his friend.

What a beatiful story.

You really can't talk when you said, what you did about the DA2 romances.


After Mass effect 3, I’m done. Bioware can’t be consistent. Their next game will probably just be one giant orgy in Kirkwall, and you'll all love it.

Nothing is being contradicted......... sorry, but there is no truth set in ME1 that forces Kaidan and Ash straight, especially when the original intent was for them to be bi by all accounts.  They didnt' flat out say they weren't into a Shepard of the same sex, there were no indications of it either, and there were planned sequels.  It wasn't set in stone.

How many times do I gotta say it? In Mass Effect 1 they were never intended to be bisexual.

Bioware can't stick to their guns. That's the problem. If the VS showed interest in the ss it should've been in ME1, but in ME1 they were not interested.

And how many times do you have to be proven wrong?  It's been said before a few times that they were programmed and set to be open to romance from a Shepard of EITHER gender.  The intent was there and they changed their mind at the last second due to design issues.  Seriously.... you are ignoring whatever is presented just to push your failed point across.  

[Major League]

I guess people turn bi overnight. I wish they would just keep straight romances straight.

[Badpie]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

Oh, all right. So basically: "I really don't know why, but I was never attracted to you before, Shepard, but I am now." …………… “Because Bioware made me, because Kaidan died on Virmire, and we're now the same person, say the same things, and like the same things too." Got cha.
Bioware do a half-assed job when it comes to the VS....

Haha, funny. That's how two of my friends became the love birds that they are now, one was gay the other is 100% attracted to women, but you know what? love has no limits, he fell in love of his friend who was always for him who was everything he asked for in a lover, and you know why he didn't care? because feeling disgusted by seeing homosexual acts is a learned behaviour. He isn't attracted to males, his... errmm dick gets hard with naked women (so he's still heterosexual), but he loves a man.

Edit: Not a man, his friend.

What a beatiful story.

You really can't talk when you said, what you did about the DA2 romances.


After Mass effect 3, I’m done. Bioware can’t be consistent. Their next game will probably just be one giant orgy in Kirkwall, and you'll all love it.

Nothing is being contradicted......... sorry, but there is no truth set in ME1 that forces Kaidan and Ash straight, especially when the original intent was for them to be bi by all accounts.  They didnt' flat out say they weren't into a Shepard of the same sex, there were no indications of it either, and there were planned sequels.  It wasn't set in stone.

How many times do I gotta say it? In Mass Effect 1 they were never intended to be bisexual.

Bioware can't stick to their guns. That's the problem. If the VS showed interest in the ss it should've been in ME1, but in ME1 they were not interested.

I'm curious.  What exactly is it that bothers you?  How is it specifically that you think your game, your head canon is going to be affected if someone else wants to romance Ashley with a femshep or Kaidan with a  manshep?  Do you honestly think that the sexual orientation of a character is going to so change the essense of what makes that character that character?

Modifié par Badpie, 23 février 2012 - 03:28 .

[mauro2222]

MegaBadExample wrote...

How many times do I gotta say it? In Mass Effect 1 they were never intended to be bisexual.

Bioware can't stick to their guns. That's the problem. If the VS showed interest in the ss it should've been in ME1, but in ME1 they were not interested.

People don't change... what a boring world you live on.

[MegaBadExample]

SolidBeast wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

Oh, all right. So basically: "I really don't know why, but I was never attracted to you before, Shepard, but I am now."

Believe it or not, it sometimes works like that in real life, too.
As to the other part, it's a childish exaggeration of viewing the in-game universe from a meta perspective, which I already adressed so I won't repeat myself.

I'm saying it should be explained in the game. Why didn't the VS make a move before? It was all green lights for an os Shep. Even Kaidan made his interests known to a female Shepard. And Ashley? C'mon, if she had any interest in women she would just say it like it is. Like she did with her religion. She's confident enough to just come out and say it. But no, she never did.

Character reconstruction, is what it is.  

The VS could have just thought that Shepard was heterosexual. Or they developed feelings for Shepard during the years, not at the beginning of the trilogy. It's a different universe in which Kaidan is in love with manShep and comparing it to femShep holds no meaning because she wouldn't exist in manShep's playthroughs.

Games give us a certain amount of concrete information. It is up to the player to fill in what's not there with their own imagination. It's called headcanon and it is a valid part of the RPG experience.
Furthermore, love is not a rational thing. You don't go asking "but what are the reasons for you feeling this way about me?".

LMAO.

The VS could've thought Shepard was gay, but they still hit on Shepard, and made their interests known at least.

Developed feelings for Shepard? That would've happened in ME1, but it didn't, because the VS didn't feel that way.

[Major League]

if everyone turns bi, looks like alot of people are getting tossed out of the airlock....

[Stokie Stallion]

Honestly, i don't care about bi-sexuality in games has long has they don't FORCE it, well make t an achievement. Trying to bed zevran in DA felt wrong and awkward especially when my girlfriend and her friend walked in during the man on man scene. Calling myself an achievement who*re didn't fix the problem either

[Ravensword]

We can only hope they're all bi.

[MegaBadExample]

Major League wrote...

I guess people turn bi overnight. I wish they would just keep straight romances straight.

Bingo. Here we go.

You s/s guys should've got like three or four new love interests. Or Vega at the very least.

[Ryzaki]

Major League wrote...

if everyone turns bi, looks like alot of people are getting tossed out of the airlock....

Sadly for you renegade Shepard doesn't GAF about someone's sexuality. It's all about if they can do their jobs. And since they can no airlock.  

Renegade Shep will shoot someone in the face regardless of sexuality for getting in his way though. And I fully support that.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 février 2012 - 03:30 .

[SolidBeast]

MegaBadExample wrote...

LMAO.

The VS could've thought Shepard was gay, but they still hit on Shepard, and made their interests known at least.

Developed feelings for Shepard? That would've happened in ME1, but it didn't, because the VS didn't feel that way.

I bet you think you know what anyone feels, thinks and plans to do in real life, too, don't you? You have a gift.