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[Inverness Moon]

Mhorhe83 wrote...

Please don't put my words out of context. Literally 1 line below what you quoted I describe emotions as down to earth as you possibly can. Not to mention that even in the text you quoted I used "for lack of a better word". Also, good job ignoring both the point I made and pretty much everything else I said

Well, I'll admit I'm not really interested in the argument. I've gone down this road plenty of times in the past and it always boils down to people making up excuses for why they can be dicks to beings that aren't like them over some silly belief in their own superiority.

[Ryzaki]

Mhorhe83 wrote...

*snip*

To keep it quick Geth are pretty much stronger than Quarians in ME1 if they weren't the Quarians would have their home planet back.

The Quarians don't have big guns. That's the turians. The Quarians just have a lot of ships. A lot of lousy ships. Tali made pretty damn good shields but...well Legion's geth shield boost suggests that's not unique to the Quarians.

The Geth weren't created solely for war no but they are weapons. They also don't have to worry about non-combatants and aging tech barely held together.

The geth can also transport their people quicker (no worries about food and water) and go to far more hostile enviornments.

The Quarians can't be everywhere either. And infiltration does not normally need large groups of people (hell it's better if its a few) the geth could be a suitable distraction for the STGs purposes.

Quarians are master engineers...and there's nothing saying the Geth aren't as good if not better. Either Legion or Tali make a suitable tech. And hell Shep even says Legion can hack though anything. AI tend to be notably better than organics at hacking and computers (just listen to EDI in ME2.)
Big guns don't mean squat if you're being swarmed and can't fire them. The DA proves that quite well in ME1. (and sadly for the Quarians they don't have Sovie levels of tech where they can just cruise and not worry about being outnumbered). Not to mention...Quarians don't have big guns. If they did they'd have their home planet back. They don't.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 février 2012 - 11:49 .

[Mhorhe83]

Inverness Moon wrote...

Well, I'll admit I'm not really
interested in the argument. I've gone down this road plenty of times in
the past and it always boils down to people making up excuses for why
they can be dicks to beings that aren't like them over some silly belief
in their own superiority.

If you're not interested in the argument why did you even post? All 3 of your posts in the last 2 pages feel mildly insulting, but this last one really tops it. Assuming there's nothing new the interlocutor can bring that you haven't seen - and then assuming the interlocutor is what looks a little bit like racist.

Please quote me on where I said the Geth are inferior, or the Quarians superior. Go ahead .. I said they were "different. That makes them unique. That makes them dangerous".

All my arguments against the Geth are not based on the fact whether or not organic sentients are superior, or not. They're based on the fact that the Geth hold a set of unique traits that can make them almost as big a threat as the Reapers.. and that they've almost made another sentient species - their creators no less - extinct.

Also, far too many people accuse the Quarians of genocide while simultaneously ignoring that the Geth were at least as bad as them. Both Quarians and Geth were in the wrong, but the Geth did by far the greater harm. Tending the homeworld of a species you drove off into space and damn near annihilated is not touching, it's almost infuriating. "Hey your homeworld is tucked it nice and tight, there are these beautiful hedges and trees growing over the corpses of most of your race! Do visit sometime!"

Ultimately, the galaxy knows far too little about the Geth and ignores far too much what they can do.

But then, I'll stop here since you seem to tend not to even read what other people write.

Ryzaki wrote...

To keep it quick Geth are pretty much stronger than Quarians in ME1 if they weren't the Quarians would have their home planet back.

I never said the Geth were weaker than the Quarians, at any point. It's kind of logical, considering they drove them off, almost killed them all, and kept them at bay slowly dying off in space for 3 centuries.

What I did say was that Quarians hold some aces of their one - meaning that the military choice between one or the other isn't as clear cut as "Geth >>>>> Quarians".

Ryzaki wrote...
The Quarians don't have big guns. That's the turians. The Quarians just have a lot of ships. A lot of lousy ships.

Here you're assuming I didn't know that  What I meant about the big guns comes from here:

http://blog.bioware....liancenewsnet3/ , and especially this little part:
"“But adding an axial gun to a liveship that’s who-knows-how-many
kilometers long? That’s not a cause for worry, that’s terror worth
soiling your pants over.”"

No Dreadnought is bigger than those liveships. Simultaneously, the bigger the ship the stronger the gun will be (in the ME universe type of ships).

Which is why I said that about the Quarians. Potentially, they have THE biggest guns 

Ryzaki wrote...
Tali made pretty damn good shields but...well Legion's geth shield boost suggests that's not unique to the Quarians.
The Geth weren't created solely for war no but they are weapons. They also don't have to worry about non-combatants and aging tech barely held together.
The geth can also transport their people quicker (no worries about food and water) and go to far more hostile enviornments.
The Quarians can't be everywhere either. And infiltration does not normally need large groups of people (hell it's better if its a few) the geth could be a suitable distraction for the STGs purposes.
Quarians are master engineers...and there's nothing saying the Geth
aren't as good if not better. Either Legion or Tali make a suitable
tech. And hell Shep even says Legion can hack though anything. AI tend
to be notably better than organics at hacking and computers (just listen
to EDI in ME2.)

Refer to the earlier part about Geth and Quarians. All those things you say are not only true, but self-evident - they're in fact part of the reason I view the Geth with concern in regards to the ME universe.

Oh and about infiltration I didn't mean you infiltrate 500 people instead of 5 in one place, I meant there's the likelihood that there will be so many places to infiltrate STG will need all the help they can get.

Ryzaki wrote...
Big guns don't mean squat if you're being swarmed and can't fire them. The DA proves that quite well in ME1.

In the case of the Reapers, big guns might mean everything. Sovereign proves that quite well in ME1

Ryzaki wrote...
(and sadly for the Quarians they don't have Sovie levels of tech where they can just cruise and not worry about being outnumbered).

When I gave the Soviet example I was referring to improvisation and what you had said about it. There were literally 10 Soviets per 1 Quarian  

Ryzaki wrote...
Not to mention...Quarians don't have big guns. If they did they'd have their home planet back. They don't.

And here you go again assuming I don't know Quarians from Turians Thus once more:"“But adding an axial gun to a liveship that’s who-knows-how-many
kilometers long? That’s not a cause for worry, that’s terror worth
soiling your pants over.”"

[frylock23]

"Commander, there's some old grudges in the galaxy ..."

I think Lt. Alenko had the best line to go here.

Obviously the best solution would be to find a way to broker a peace.

If that isn't possible, I won't be making my decision based on the past. That's impossible as far as I'm concerned.  Whatever happened all those years ago is so far in the past and buried so deep under so many layers of hatred and obfuscation that I'll never even get close to the real story from either side.

Instead, I'll have to make a decision based on a combination of both the situation as it exists at that moment in the game and which side stands to be the most useful to me in my fight against the Reapers. I can't be concerned so much with trying to sort out who's right from who's wrong when the overarcing galactic situation threatens to render it all a moot point.

And to the person who is trying to bludgeon everyone who wants to side against the Geth with the "religious bigot" card that's as obvious and trite as pulling the race card on anyone who disagrees with an African-American.

[SovereignWillReturn]

Note if you pick the Qurians, they're inferior to the Geth in weaponry and ships, and one hit and their suits are infected and then they're dead. If you pick the Qurians, you won't be getting much...

[TCBC_Freak]

"Look everyone, our robots can think for themselves now, if we make them work that's slavery and that is wrong.... let's just exterminate them all. Yeah, that's not bad at all. Mass genocide is totally better than slavery." - Quarian leader

"Wait a minute, why don't we open up a dialog and see if we can treat them like a client race, that's what the Turians and Volus do; or even just let them go and live their lives as they see fit? Wouldn't that be better than slavery or murder?" - Random 'none retarded' Quarian we'll call Ted

"Lets kill them, we only have two options; try to keep them as slaves and they will rise up and revolt, or kill them; yeah no other options. I'd do almost anything for just one other option!" - Quarian leader

"Wait, what about my option?!" - Ted

"It really is the only possible option. Let's do it!" -All the Quaraian leaders together

I think I'll be siding with the Geth on this one, the Quarians are a bunch of idiots; they ignored any options of diplomacy and tried to commit genocide. Honestly I wante to slap Tali in the face when she defended the Quarian actions in the Morning War... and I love Tali too, but they were wrong.

Edit: and if the Geth were even half as bad as people seem to think then why did they stop going after the Quarians? They could have killed them all but they didn't, they could have come out of their space with a ton of dreadnaughts since they aren’t bound by the treaties of other races but the didn't. The heretics left Geth space because they were evil and corrupted by Sovereign, and in ME3 they will either be dead or have been re-written. The Geth just want to be left alone and build a Dyson Sphere type thing. They probably couldn’t care less about what the creator’s do after they finish their sphere, the Quarians can have their home world back, Legion has said as much. And the Geth don’t lie, Legion says this on his loyalty mission, he remember the Morning War just as if he was there because he was. His perspective, the Quarians shot first, is right on while the Quarian‘s perspective is flawed and colored by years of longing and anger; they did start the war and the Geth drove them off, he’s very clear they made the choice to drive them away and not wipe them out… just an extra bit of info from my mind set.

Modifié par TCBC_Freak, 24 février 2012 - 05:04 .

[Ryzaki]

@Mhorhe83 :

Edit: There's really no point. We're going in circles.

But we're not going to convince each other of anything so *shrugs*

The Quarians to me are just far too much of a liable to be equally as valuable as the geth. Valuable? Sure. More so than the geth? Not so much to me.

Regardless thankfully it's a choice and I'll be siding with the geth.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 février 2012 - 05:39 .

[Turbosonic]

I hate the Geth and Legion so I'm going to destroy them when I can...well, IF I can.

[Costin_Razvan]

I will obliterate the Quarian fleet and have Tali commit suicide if I can't resolve it peacefully.

[Augustei]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I will obliterate the Quarian fleet and have Tali commit suicide if I can't resolve it peacefully.

^ This Pretty much, I hate the stupid Quarians insistant on going to war dispite my warnings about the Reapers. I know i'm a human and shouldn't expect much influence on the Quarian people but seriously WTF?! going to war at a time like this.. I will demand they stop giving them one chance since the reapers are actually here now, and if they refuse my demands then I will side with the geth and help them utterly crush the Quarians and idk if I have to kill Tali as well.. Legion is way better than her anyway.......Yeah i just said that

[Slayer299]

If it comes down to that I'll be siding with with Quarians over the Geth. I don't trust the Geth, their intentions now, during he invasion or down the line afterwards. They've shown they've got no problem killing organics for just being too close to their area of space.

Most importantly, the Geth are machines, sophisticated, but still machines, end of story.

[Sweawm]

I weigh both as equal. When it comes to Geth...
"Reaper casts Indoctrination! ITS SUPER EFFECTIVE"

[IndustrializedTaco]

Geth. We all must make sacrifices. I am willing to give the Quarians the boot to have that powerful of an ally. The geth would make a badass ally.

[GordonNoob2010]

TCBC_Freak wrote...

Edit: and if the Geth were even half as bad as people seem to think then why did they stop going after the Quarians? They could have killed them all but they didn't, they could have come out of their space with a ton of dreadnaughts since they aren’t bound by the treaties of other races but the didn't.

His perspective, the Quarians shot first, is right on while the Quarian‘s perspective is flawed and colored by years of longing and anger; they did start the war and the Geth drove them off, he’s very clear they made the choice to drive them away and not wipe them out… just an extra bit of info from my mind set.

You would then be assuming that billions of Quarians fought to the very death and only a few million decided to flee. That didn't happen. There would have to be hundreds of millions of children on the various Quarian worlds. What do you suppose happened to them? They were murdered despite being non-combatants.

The Quarians are an organic species with individual minds. That means haters AND non-haters. All the countless conscientious objectors, all the war opposed, all the children who were too young to participate, all died along with the haters and warmongers.

Moreso, the Quarians fled INTO the space of other species. The Geth could not follow them to exterminate the last of them with their dreadnaughts without starting a war.
Analogy: If the Mexican army chases a criminal into Texas, it would start a war.

Additionally, the Geth DID wipe them out. The Quarians no longer exist. Their society is gone. Their billions dead. Their structures, libraries, schools, hospitals, ancestral worship thingies have been obliterated. 99% of their population gone and their entire way of life erased. What they have now is a collection of vagrant wanderers who have the same DNA as the original Quarians. Whatever the Quarians may have been before the morning war is dead.

"He's very clear they made the choice to drive them away"
If they wanted the Quarians off the planet, there are easier ways than murdering billions of people. We would be talking about billions of non-combatants. It isn't that billions fled and died in exile. Billions were murdered while on the planet and the only survivors WERE the ones who had ships and fled.



Geth 1
"Oh look, the Quarians managed to scamble a couple ships and evacuated a few million people, should we go hunt them down after we finish MURDERING the billions that still live on this planet?"

Geth 2
"Psh. No money, no friends, no territory, no ecosystem to support their organic life. They will die on their own within 99.9999% certainty. Hunting them down would be a waste of resources. Why shoot an obviously mortally wounded man?"

Geth 1
"But they MIGHT survive somehow."

Geth 2
"Fine, if it makes you feel any better, we'll exterminate every Quarian on every single one of their colony worlds too. That will reduce their probability of extinction to 99.999999999999999995%. Happy?"

Geth 1
"that is within acceptable perameters."

[LordAnguis]

Even from the events of the first game, its been pretty obvious to me that the Quarians could have handled the situation differently; they weren't afraid of the Geth so much as what the Council would do for them creating illegal AIs. So if I can't finesse both parties to get together and make up, I'll side with the Geth.

[Mhorhe83]

GordonNoob2010 wrote... snip

Well put, I'm glad someone sees things exactly like I do

frylock23 wrote...
And to the person who is trying to bludgeon
everyone who wants to side against the Geth with the "religious bigot"
card that's as obvious and trite as pulling the race card on anyone who
disagrees with an African-American.

That's exactly what prompted me to answer him in the first place 

Ryzaki wrote...

@Mhorhe83 :

Edit: There's really no point. We're going in circles.

But we're not going to convince each other of anything so *shrugs*

The Quarians to me are just far too much of a liable to be equally as valuable as the geth. Valuable? Sure. More so than the geth? Not so much to me.

Regardless thankfully it's a choice and I'll be siding with the geth.

I'm no actually trying to convince you of anything, I'm just enjoying the discussion  And overall, yes, the Geth are quite probably the better military choice.. provided you can trust them.

I've got no qualms with anyone preferring the Geth for whatever reason - I'm just tired of seeing too many people display the Quarian as ruthless slave drives and the Geth as innocent beings who were justified to slaughter kids because their own survival was at stake.

TCBC_Freak wrote...

"Look everyone, our robots can think
for themselves now, if we make them work that's slavery and that is
wrong.... let's just exterminate them all. Yeah, that's not bad at all.
Mass genocide is totally better than slavery." - Quarian leader

"Wait
a minute, why don't we open up a dialog and see if we can treat them
like a client race, that's what the Turians and Volus do; or even just
let them go and live their lives as they see fit? Wouldn't that be
better than slavery or murder?" - Random 'none retarded' Quarian we'll
call Ted

"Lets kill them, we only have two options; try to keep
them as slaves and they will rise up and revolt, or kill them; yeah no
other options. I'd do almost anything for just one other option!" -
Quarian leader

"Wait, what about my option?!" - Ted

"It really is the only possible option. Let's do it!" -All the Quaraian leaders together

Thank you fo proving my point that there's a difference between the Quarian leadership and the greater Quarian race

If however, you've put Geth in that little imaginary chat.. you couldn't. Geth achieve consensus and work towards a common goal. In this case, the Geth consensus was QUARIANS MUST DIE.

TCBC_Freak wrote...
Edit: and if the Geth were even half as bad some seem to think then why did they stop going after the Quarians? hey could have killed them all but they didn't

Probably because it wasn't the most logical thing to do at that point? I imagine the consensus was that the Morning War had put the Quarians so far back that even their long time survival was unsure, let alone their chances of hurting the Geth.

There's also the fact that maybe they COULDN'T kill all the Quarians. It's hard to kill every member of a race. Even the Reapers needed centuries to kill all the Protheans.

But honestly, are you seriously arguing that they "only" killed a few billion quarians or more?

Gee, then I think  that all human mass murderers weren't that bad. After all, none of them actually suceeded in making any peoples extinct!

Because that is exactly what you're saying.

Please, stop arguing that the Geth were in the right. They were right to defend themselves - they weren't right to slaughter an entire species to the brink of extinction. There's no way that is not worse than what the Quarians did - nor is it anything else but absolutely horrible on any scale save one that doesn't involve any sort of morality or right and wrong.

Really, it's mind boggling how people simultaneously lament the plight of the poor poor Geth, while having zero response to the incredible number of innocents the Geth slaughtered.

One last argument about how the Geth "didn't actually kill every Quarian, they let them live and they even tend to their homeworld". WHERE ARE THE QUARIANS LEFT ON RANNOCH? They couldn't have all been evacc-ed. In the middle of total war, and with the Quarians on the run, there were bound to have been so many Quarians left behind, and most of them NOT military.

Where are they? The Quarians were spent as a threat to the Geth. If the Geth were so bent on NOT killing the Quarians, WHERE ARE THE SURVIVORS LEFT ON RANNOCH?

I'll tell you where, they went into the meat grinder like over 90 % of the Quarian race.

TCBC_Freak wrote...
they could have come
out of their space with a ton of dreadnaughts since they aren’t bound by
the treaties of other races but the didn't.

Because it would have been an illogical thing to do? It would have united the galaxy behind the Quarians. It would have made the Geth the number one galactic menace against all life. It would have thrown the Geth into a war they were perhaps unable to win - or simply not on the best of chances.

"A ton of dreadnoughts" takes a lot of time and resources to build.

TCBC_Freak wrote...
The heretics left Geth
space because they were evil and corrupted by Sovereign, and in ME3 they
will either be dead or have been re-written.

Oh, no, sorry, you can't play the evil card here. The Heretics were none other than the segment of Geth that found the designs of the Reapers logical. Geth work by logic - 5 % of their number found the Sovereign path logical and followed it.

TCBC_Freak wrote...
The Geth just want to be
left alone and build a Dyson Sphere type thing. They probably couldn’t
care less about what the creator’s do after they finish their sphere,
the Quarians can have their home world back, Legion has said as much.
And the Geth don’t lie, Legion says this on his loyalty mission, he
remember the Morning War just as if he was there because he was. His
perspective, the Quarians shot first, is right on while the Quarian‘s
perspective is flawed and colored by years of longing and anger; they
did start the war and the Geth drove them off, he’s very clear they made
the choice to drive them away and not wipe them out… just an extra bit
of info from my mind set.

And you only have Legion's word for it. For the Dyson Sphere, for the near extermination of the Quarians, for everything.

If you're planning on lying to someone, "I don't lie" is only a second lie made to strengthen the first.

Besides, Legion doesn't need to lie. It needs only to be silent. It has already done that - it didn't reveal what the Geth speculated about the nature of Nazara. So basically, he might lie or not - but we KNOW it doesn't tell Shep everything.

Maybe the Geth have a couple thousand dreadnoughts building beyond the Veil, and Legion's reply to Shep might well be "you did not ask".

Modifié par Mhorhe83, 24 février 2012 - 01:36 .

[colouroflife]

I personally and absolutely side with Quarians over Geth. Quarians are people, living and breathing creatures while Geth are just machines. This is something to make a choice between to kill a human being and to shut down your computer. I choose to shut down my computer.

To consider Geth as slaves is the same thing to consider computers as our slaves.

That which one would be more useful in war against Reapers is unimportant. Both have their own strong and weak points. My choice is not based on usefullness but rather based on moral obligation, plus i love Tali, feel and care for Quarians.

[Sweawm]

Remember that dialog with Legion when he told you that all the Geth planned to upload themselves into one giant super structure? Basically turning into a Reaper; without the Reaping part. The Geth's goal is to achieve a state of mind much like that of a Reaper; each a nation (notice how Legion quotes Sovereign repeatedly, yet should of never heard those words? Perhaps Sovereign gives out the same speech to everyone he meets including the True Geth Collective...).

When Shepard questions the Geth plan, Legion simply assures Shepard than Geth 'accept' organics. Yep. That was a pretty stupid word to chose, but the most that can be interpreted, like the rest of Legion's dialog.
Lines such as:
Shepard: "And whose future is that?"
Legion: "Ours"
Great writing and a sly double meaning there. First obvious meaning is that he refers to the Geth's future. Second double meaning means he refers that the future shall belong to the Geth. Go over the dialog again and root out all the double meanings.

[Mhorhe83]

Sweawm wrote...

Remember that dialog with Legion when he told you that all the Geth planned to upload themselves into one giant super structure? Basically turning into a Reaper; without the Reaping part. The Geth's goal is to achieve a state of mind much like that of a Reaper; each a nation (notice how Legion quotes Sovereign repeatedly, yet should of never heard those words? Perhaps Sovereign gives out the same speech to everyone he meets including the True Geth Collective...).

When Shepard questions the Geth plan, Legion simply assures Shepard than Geth 'accept' organics. Yep. That was a pretty stupid word to chose, but the most that can be interpreted, like the rest of Legion's dialog.
Lines such as:
Shepard: "And whose future is that?"
Legion: "Ours"
Great writing and a sly double meaning there. First obvious meaning is that he refers to the Geth's future. Second double meaning means he refers that the future shall belong to the Geth. Go over the dialog again and root out all the double meanings.

You know what, that's a great point! I was going over Legion's dialogues, and you've got quite a few of these double meanings.

For instance, when it runs into Tali, his line is "We do not intend harm to the Creators AT THIS TIME."

Then you've got the little social experiment they ran on organics. Fascinating stuff.. one could wonder how much confusion and chaos the Geth might do without actually lifting a finger..

Oh, and the "does this unit have a soul?" line didn't actually trigger the whole Quarian race into a brutal lockdown of the Geth.  Who knows how many times they questioned that until the Quarians actually considered pulling the plug?

[Ryzaki]

Sweawm wrote...

I weigh both as equal. When it comes to Geth...
"Reaper casts Indoctrination! ITS SUPER EFFECTIVE"

The heretic geth were never indoctrinated. They simply thought differently. If they were indoctrinated the other geth would've been able to point it out.

As for the Quarians...well they knew damn well the geth were sentinent when they gave their order to destroy them. That's all I have to say on that matter untl ME3 comes out.

Did it suck that they got nearly exterminated? Heck yes. Do I understand why the Geth did it? Of course. Neither were innocent. Both were stupid and overreacted. I just side with the geth because they at least didn't try to strike the first blow and then try to cry when the dragon they were bullying curbstomped the s*** out of them.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 février 2012 - 01:32 .

[GordonNoob2010]

Ryzaki wrote...

Sweawm wrote...

I weigh both as equal. When it comes to Geth...
"Reaper casts Indoctrination! ITS SUPER EFFECTIVE"

The heretic geth were never indoctrinated. They simply thought differently. If they were indoctrinated the other geth would've been able to point it out.

As for the Quarians...well they knew damn well the geth were sentinent when they gave their order to destroy them. That's all I have to say on that matter untl ME3 comes out.

Did it suck that they got nearly exterminated? Heck yes. Do I understand why the Geth did it? Of course. Neither were innocent. Both were stupid and overreacted. I just side with the geth because they at least didn't try to strike the first blow and then try to cry when the dragon they were bullying curbstomped the s*** out of them.

He was referring to the Reaper Virus, a very fast and simple way to control the entire Geth race in "A House Divided".

As for the Quarians, "they" didn't damn well know anything. Some of them were wrong. SOME of them were crazy. But MOST Quarians were civilians.
The Geth on the other hand have a hive-mind and achieved a consensus.

In addition, all the Quarians that made that ill-fated mistake have been dead for 3 centuries. So were all the civilians who died AFTER the war  was lost.
All the Geth that carried out the extermination ARE STILL ALIVE.

[IElitePredatorI]

Save Tali, side with Geth, dont tell her...

[gabewpashere]

I rather both of them help me out, but if it comes to a war, then the Quarians have my shepard at their disposal.

[Ryzaki]

GordonNoob2010 wrote...
He was referring to the Reaper Virus, a very fast and simple way to control the entire Geth race in "A House Divided".

As for the Quarians, "they" didn't damn well know anything. Some of them were wrong. SOME of them were crazy. But MOST Quarians were civilians.
The Geth on the other hand have a hive-mind and achieved a consensus.

In addition, all the Quarians that made that ill-fated mistake have been dead for 3 centuries. So were all the civilians who died AFTER the war  was lost.
All the Geth that carried out the extermination ARE STILL ALIVE.

Alright this thread says spoilers allowed so...

That's not indoctrination though.

Uh yes the Admirals did even killed the one dude who tried to stop them (the one Quarian who told his Geth to live even when the geth offered to have himself deactivated so they wouldn't harm the Quarian). And hilariously enough the Geth were only following a Quarians order when they defended themselves. Yes they went overboard never doubted that. But yeah when the Admirals tried to shut down the geth they were aware of what they had done. I believe the man was treated like a pariah because of it too.

And yet they keep on trying to attack the geth even running experiments like Tali's father did so no it's not over. The Quarians won't let it be over. The Geth overreacted but they STOPPED they didn't keep repeating the same damn mistake.

And they have developed and grown older. Heck maybe those are the geth that became heretics. If have no problems letting the Quarians live if they'll leave the geth the hell alone.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 février 2012 - 08:11 .

[Mother Reborn]

Seriously, I wish they would both just give up the war and at least try to understand where the other is coming from. They have before, so why not now? No slaving the Geth this time, k? I'm looking at you Quarians >_>