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[Xivai]

They want humans, and despite the video showing tons of husks. We have no idea how much time lapsed, it could be when they're fighting that is near the end of the game when they do go back to Earth. If you blow up Earth then there are no more humans sure, but then the Reapers instantly leave and turn their attention on the fleet blowing it up. In one fell swoop you've just lost a planet, a rare resource, and a a large fleet. Now you've got Reapers full of husk slaves heading towards the Citadel.

Why would you ever want them to be done with it? Give them their chew toy while you assemble the necessary forces to fight them. Then once you beat them, take it back. Worlds that are habitable are really rare. Not to mention the extinction of a species does take a long time, there are always survivors. Survivors your going to need to save unless you really do want every last human turned into a husk making the eventual take back that much worse.

I could go on, but it's a very strategic value. The fact that it's important enough for the Reapers to hit before the CItadel should highlight there's something important there, and thye want it.

[Forst1999]

Skyblade012 wrote...

Forst1999 wrote...

The genocide of the protheans took centuries (if i recall correctly). So it's safe to assume that there are enough humans left after a few weeks to warrant a rescue operation. And enough Reapers in one place to severly hit them with something.

Sure, but that was the genocide of the Protheans, not the time it took to eliminate a single planet.  The Protheans had colonized most of the known galaxy by that point.  It would take centuries for the Reapers to wipe out that much space, yes, but that's the elimination of all of Citadel space, not just a single planet.

Granted, we may be a little lucky that the Reapers (for some unknown reason) didn't pull their usual "methodically bomb the planet from orbit" that the ME2 planet entries seems to imply they prefer, but they have have more than enough firepower and ships to encircle the entire globe (we've seen it), and they have been just blowing it away constantly.

I'm not arguing against taking the fight to the Reapers if they are still on Earth, I'm arguing about the senseless tactics in fighting a ground war when it is unnecessary.  You are losing troops and men for no reason.  If you get rid of the Reaper fleet, bomb the planet from orbit (and if not, sending troops down is a waste).  It's already been bombed from orbit, it's not really going to hurt it to have it happen again.  Wipe out as many of the husks and Reaper devices in as safe a manner as possible, don't just rush troops down there for no reason, where they will be killed by husks or indoctrinated by Reaper devices.

What is there to gain?

But not every Prothean planet can have been as populated as Earth. If you don't just bomb a planet to dust, but want to turn it's people into gray goo it takes some time. Even after destroying all defenses and the infrastructure, there still must be hundreds of millions (maybe even a low billion count) of humans alive. The Reapers need them this way, so i don't think they will just continue the pure destruction of the first assault. After earth is crippled, they start reaping.

[Darth Malice113]

Razorsedge820 wrote...

Because Shepard dropped his wallet while rushing to the Normandy for Evac, he will shoot through every husk and reaper until one of them cough it up, and then he will leave.

^^ This.

[Han Shot First]

I doubt the Reapers killed everyone off. It took them centuries to completely wipe out the Protheans, and people living in less populated, rural areas are going to be less vulnerable than the people living in cities. That, and as the homeworld Earth has huge symbolic value for humanity.

The question I have is why the other species are committed to taking back the Earth. Aren't the homeworlds of the other species being hammered too? I haven't read the script but I hope there is a good reason why Earth was given more strategic value.

[Nima55]

This is like asking why the quarians would want to take back their planet. If you just said "oops guess we lost guys. we might as well completely give up" what would be the point of being human?

Modifié par Nima55, 21 février 2012 - 07:19 .

[AlexXIV]

Skyblade012 wrote...

Cosmar wrote...

Symbolism mostly, I think. Same reason Germany and Russia fought so hard over Stalingrad in WW2. It wasn't the highest priority target militarily speaking, but it bore the name of Russia's leader. If Germany could capture it, it would have been a huge morale boost for his regime and a morale failure for Russia, and vice versa. By the end of the battle, little was left in Stalingrad to give it value, but still, it was the idea of it.

Most of the armies fighting to retake Earth aren't human, so the symbolism for them is pointless.  Also, if, as it seems, the Reapers have been sitting on their butts on this one planet (which is the only way you can make Earth the focus of the game, and the reason why on most planets we only see one Reaper, rather than thousands of them), then once you beat them on Earth, you've beaten them basically everywhere, and the particular morale boost you'd get from this victory is pointless.  The war is already over, you've won.

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Humans are humans, we naturally fight over "our" land, reapers be- damned, you'd fight to win back what was yours even if its scorched earth, its the principal. Also, if you keep running you wont have anything, not even that piece of earth, so, stand up and fight.

It's not my land, I've never been there.  And, since I won't be able to tell the difference between it being nuked once and nuked twice, I'd prefer it was nuked twice so that I'm a lot less likely to be killed when I go down there.

Well I hope we get a choice how to win back Earth. I don't plan to sacrifice alot of aliens for it. I mean it makes sense as long as we kill Reapers because that's what everyone has to do anyway. If they are done with Earth they would spread out over the galaxy. So fighting them on Earth or any other planet doesn't matter. I just hope we are not going to sacrifice aliens to save more humans.

[Cosmar]

Only other reason I can think of besides symbolism and rescuing survivors (who, we have to admit, will probably not be very many), is that for some reason the reapers might have made earth their headquarters/base of operations. So attacking them there would be less about "taking earth back" and more about just "defeating the reapers."

[CitizenSnips]

Just ANOTHER obvious example of EA/Bioware pandering to its Earth-based player base.

[Niemack Saarinen]

Oh i see, you roleplayer you. Ok your not a human being behind a computer screen.

Roleplay aside. you are playing commander Shep who is part of the alliance, the alliance protects earths interests, so therefore if you want the low down reason. your being ordered to fight, -- you cant ignore the fact that shep has continually fought for and worked for humanities sake, you go where the fight is.

[Arppis]

Why take back earth?

...when you can BLOW IT SKY HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGH!!! YEAH!

[Iakus]

1) 11 billion humans live there, the vast majority of the human species, I assume
2) It's humanity's homeworld
3) I keep all my stuff there

[Skyblade012]

Xivai wrote...

They want humans, and despite the video showing tons of husks. We have no idea how much time lapsed, it could be when they're fighting that is near the end of the game when they do go back to Earth. If you blow up Earth then there are no more humans sure, but then the Reapers instantly leave and turn their attention on the fleet blowing it up. In one fell swoop you've just lost a planet, a rare resource, and a a large fleet. Now you've got Reapers full of husk slaves heading towards the Citadel.

Um, if you are sending ground troops down and the Reaper fleet is not already eliminated, you are one of the biggest idiots in military tactical history.  Whoever controls orbit controls the planet.  Ground troops cannot fight orbiting ships, and orbiting ships can completely eliminate any ground forces with ease and with no fear of reprisal.  Your landing fleet would be eliminated in a couple of shots by a Reaper.

And if you control the orbit, they you are just as stupid to put your troops in harms way when you don't have to.

Why would you ever want them to be done with it? Give them their chew toy while you assemble the necessary forces to fight them. Then once you beat them, take it back. Worlds that are habitable are really rare. Not to mention the extinction of a species does take a long time, there are always survivors. Survivors your going to need to save unless you really do want every last human turned into a husk making the eventual take back that much worse.

I could go on, but it's a very strategic value. The fact that it's important enough for the Reapers to hit before the CItadel should highlight there's something important there, and thye want it.

What exactly makes you think the world is habitable anymore?  I certainly doesn't look like a habitable world.  A field of sunflowers, a completely non-threatening target containing a single human girl, has been reduced to ash.  Nothing growing, nothing left.  That's for a target that could not have logically been a priorty.  Now imagine what has happened to the cities.

And the sheer amount of bombardment we see in the trailers, previews, and the demo shows that the Earth is basically unihabitable anyway.  So much dust and ash would have been kicked up that the entire planet would have been shunted into a massive ice age due to a major blockage of solar radiation.  It would be pretty much the asteroid strike that killed the dinosaurs all over again.  The damage is done, the ecosystem is fried, and, without it, Earth isn't a garden world anymore.

iakus wrote...

1) 11 billion humans live there, the vast majority of the human species, I assume
2) It's humanity's homeworld
3) I keep all my stuff there

1) Lived, past tense.
2) So?  It's also a barren wasteland, riddled with fire and ash and dust.  The very air you breathe is a poisonous fume.  Not worth fighting for.
3) Unless you're Earthborn, you've never even been on the planet before the intro.

Modifié par Skyblade012, 21 février 2012 - 07:20 .

[CerberusSoldier]

You know Op I am taking Earth back and if that means the citadel and the alien council dies permanently this time I will shed no tear

[Niemack Saarinen]

Don't play the game since your being forced to take back earth. since its canon and has already been decided that its the direction you head.


\\end thread.

[AlexXIV]

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Just ANOTHER obvious example of EA/Bioware pandering to its Earth-based player base.

Well they have been accused to neglect their main demographic before. Cats.

[cactusberry]

I'm going to go with symbolism.

But who said the end decision is going to be all about saving Earth anyway? Maybe we do lose Earth. Maybe we don't.

[Skyblade012]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Oh i see, you roleplayer you. Ok your not a human being behind a computer screen.

Roleplay aside. you are playing commander Shep who is part of the alliance, the alliance protects earths interests, so therefore if you want the low down reason. your being ordered to fight, -- you cant ignore the fact that shep has continually fought for and worked for humanities sake, you go where the fight is.

It's not a question of going where the fight is.  It's a question of the particular tactics used.  Once the Reaper fleet is wiped out, there is no reason to land on the planet, and every reason not to.  The planet is a festering pit of Reaper tech and husks, and is a general wasteland.  Pull out and bomb it from orbit, it's the only way to be safe.  Once you've done that, then you can move in with your troops and begin cleanup and reconstruction.  They'd be mop up, not a full assault force.  Like I said, the planet has already been trashed, another bombardment won't matter.

[Niemack Saarinen]

Skyblade012 wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Oh i see, you roleplayer you. Ok your not a human being behind a computer screen.

Roleplay aside. you are playing commander Shep who is part of the alliance, the alliance protects earths interests, so therefore if you want the low down reason. your being ordered to fight, -- you cant ignore the fact that shep has continually fought for and worked for humanities sake, you go where the fight is.

It's not a question of going where the fight is.  It's a question of the particular tactics used.  Once the Reaper fleet is wiped out, there is no reason to land on the planet, and every reason not to.  The planet is a festering pit of Reaper tech and husks, and is a general wasteland.  Pull out and bomb it from orbit, it's the only way to be safe.  Once you've done that, then you can move in with your troops and begin cleanup and reconstruction.  They'd be mop up, not a full assault force.  Like I said, the planet has already been trashed, another bombardment won't matter.

Being from a military background- yes it is a dumb move.  Humans can be cold and calculating but they'd never nuke from orbit, consigning millions to death by bomb, they'd play into the reapers hands by perpetuating their own self- extinction.  trailers aside - which only serve to dramatize the impending doom of earth and other worlds -- there are survivors,  and in the demo alone you saw them wipe out a fleet\\ fleets of human warships in a matter of seconds - so "nuking" from orbit wont do much, neither would launching an assault on earth going towards certain death ---  but buying time for powers that be to come up with a way to defeat them.   Humanity can run all it wants but no matter where they go they will be destroyed pretty quickly, so why hide.

[didymos1120]

Skyblade012 wrote...


1) Lived, past tense.
2) So?  It's also a barren wasteland, riddled with fire and ash and dust.  The very air you breathe is a poisonous fume.  Not worth fighting for.
3) Unless you're Earthborn, you've never even been on the planet before the intro.

First two are assumptions.  Last one is just wrong: watch the intro to ME1.  You think the Normandy just dropped by Earth for fun and to give Shep a nice view?

Modifié par didymos1120, 21 février 2012 - 07:33 .

[AlexXIV]

Well the Reapers attack Earth to harvest humans and build a Reaper of them. It may not be the tactical worst decision to stop them before they do it. Also it is probably a tactical advantage to attack the Reapers while they are still busy with Earth and not wait until they are done and ready for the next target. It doesn't make a difference if it is Earth or any other planet. They are there and up to something and it is best to disturb them as soon as possible.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 21 février 2012 - 07:33 .

[Iakus]

Skyblade012 wrote...

1) Lived, past tense.
2) So?  It's also a barren wasteland, riddled with fire and ash and dust.  The very air you breathe is a poisonous fume.  Not worth fighting for.
3) Unless you're Earthborn, you've never even been on the planet before the intro.

1) I'm sure it takes a while to render 11 billion humans into smoothie, so even if you can't save them all, maybe there's still 8 or nine billion that can be helped

2) Okay, so one does not simply walk into Earth anymore, it's still humanity's home.  Just like Rannoch is the quarians' home

3) Shepard seems to have spent the last several months there at least.  Then left in a hurry

Modifié par iakus, 21 février 2012 - 07:36 .

[Aimi]

Skyblade012 wrote...

It's not a question of going where the fight is.  It's a question of the particular tactics used.  Once the Reaper fleet is wiped out, there is no reason to land on the planet, and every reason not to.  The planet is a festering pit of Reaper tech and husks, and is a general wasteland.  Pull out and bomb it from orbit, it's the only way to be safe.  Once you've done that, then you can move in with your troops and begin cleanup and reconstruction.  They'd be mop up, not a full assault force.  Like I said, the planet has already been trashed, another bombardment won't matter.

BY GOLLY THERE MUST BE ANOTHER REASON TO LAUNCH A GROUND ASSAULT THEN

I WONDER WHAT IT COULD POSSIBLY BE

[Frezing Phoenix]

SNascimento wrote...

Because it's our homeplanet?

Would've been my first guess as well. I mean Duh cos it's our species' homeworld! The same reason why all Homeworlds exist in Sci Fi and why in particular in ME3 the other races are joining the fight.

[Juha81FIN]

We have coffee and doughnuts here, enough reason to fight for.

[Medhia Nox]

Because it's my playground... and I don't like robot Cthulhu on my playground.