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[Bravo0o]

Mostly because the alliance's porn reserves are located in there.

[TheMightyG00sh]

Just thought I'd point out that the Quarians are also trying to take Rannoch back and that place has had Geth (who don't need any kind of resources) living there for hundreds of years AND they have zero survivor. You want know why we are taking Earth back!? Ask TIM... he's an extremist...

[saturos2]

Skyblade012 wrote...

This question has been asked before, but I'm coming at it from a different angle.  After seeing the new trailer, I have to wonder, why are we fighting for this planet?  It's junk.  The entire planetary surface seems to have been reduced to ash, with most, if not all, of the world's population converted to husks or killed.  What is on this planet that is worth fighting for?  Just bomb it from orbit and move on, I can't see anything of value there anymore.

i could tell you, but i'd have to spoil you too.

[GnusmasTHX]

Ziggeh wrote...

Wildy stabbing in the dark, but I suspect some people live there.

God, the forum has been going down hill since ridiculous posts like these.

[AtreiyaN7]

There might be massive destruction, but that doesn't mean there aren't survivors or that we shouldn't try to reclaim our homeworld.

[OneDrunkMonk]

I anticipate that what's left of the human population will be evacuated upon Shepard's return. I really don't see how, at the rate of destruction being inflicted by the Reapers, that the Reapers can somehow be repelled from Earth before all human life is wiped off the planet. That's logic deduced from the trailer and demo footage. Unless there is a Reaper-Buster 2000 a couple of hours away ready launch, otherwise Earth is toast.

Which is fine. Rescue as many humans as possible, leave Earth and then try and mount a defensive for when the Reapers leave Earth and start heading into Citadel space or Attican Traverse. Losing Earth is not the be all end all for humanity. Hell we got human outposts as far as the Terminus Systems. I like this idea as it adds emotional weight to the story (from a human perspective) and allows more of the story to develop amongst other species and worlds.

But you know, I wouldn't be surprised if most of the game happens on Earth and the Reapers somehow hadn't managed to wipe out Earth's population by the time Shepard gets back aaaaand...The Reapers are weakened via a virus upload a la Independence Day.

[Deltateam Elcor]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Ziggeh wrote...

Wildy stabbing in the dark, but I suspect some people live there.

God, the forum has been going down hill since ridiculous posts like these.

Stupid questions desire stupid answers.

I mean really how hard is it to want to save ones homeworld?

[Sabbatine]

Skyblade012 wrote...

This question has been asked before, but I'm coming at it from a different angle.  After seeing the new trailer, I have to wonder, why are we fighting for this planet?  It's junk.  The entire planetary surface seems to have been reduced to ash, with most, if not all, of the world's population converted to husks or killed.  What is on this planet that is worth fighting for?  Just bomb it from orbit and move on, I can't see anything of value there anymore.

Why do the Krogan live on Tuchanka?

It doesn't matter if the planet is of no strategic value, Earth is home and the seat of Alliance power.  If they allow it to remain in the hands of their enemies then they lose a lot of their perceived power both in galactic politics, and internal politics.  Morale isn't always tangible but it's important.

Earth is also the perfect place to go if you have developed a way of dealing with the reapers since they seem to be concentrated in unusually large numbers there.  Considering that we did not see any of the reaper ships in the trailer once Shepard had returned to earth it's probably reasonable to assume they've been dealt with which is why we only see husk ground forces.

[nevar00]

Because it's a cheap way to try and draw an emotional response from the player.

Also there are probably a good amount of people still living there, even after the Reapers basically level everything.

[Carnage752]

Because the main Reaper forces are there is a primary motive. If we defeat them there, we deal a substantial, and maybe deadly blow against them. The fact we take Earth back is nothing more than a secondary motive at best.

[Fishy]

There's not many planet like the Earth in the galaxy. It's also home. Think Quarians.
Don't seem like all of Earth is Ash either. Just because a couple of city burn.

Modifié par Suprez30, 21 février 2012 - 09:56 .

[chengthao]

b/c not everyone is dead

[Redditaur]

Well after earth it's gonna be some other race's planet. So why just stop their destruction?

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

We dont know how much of the population will still be left by the end of the game.  I'm willing to bet it's going to be a "save your crew" thing where theres going to be a point where the longer you delay the battle the more people wind up dead.  the reapers arent ALL attacking earth, they're still spread out.  its not like the entire population is getting zorched.  flamves visible from space doesnt mean there arent holdouts all over.  theres still alot of "not on fire" all arround.  I'm going to assume that an average game will leave "half the population of earth devastated."  keep in mind how much ballooning there is in 2183.  that's like saying losing colonies full of hundreds of thousands of people arent worth rescuing.  (The collector threat was legitimate.  imagine if some mercenaries kidnapped the entire population of denver using some advanced technology.  people's lives are worth saving.)



and heres the kicker: if the entire planet was wiped out, then the reapers would have already left and you'd be fighting them somewhere else.  but you're going back to earth, where the reapers STILL are, which means theres STILL people you can save.

common sense, duder.

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 21 février 2012 - 10:01 .

[Zanath]

OneDrunkMonk wrote...

Which is fine. Rescue as many humans as possible, leave Earth and then try and mount a defensive for when the Reapers leave Earth and start heading into Citadel space or Attican Traverse. Losing Earth is not the be all end all for humanity. Hell we got human outposts as far as the Terminus Systems. I like this idea as it adds emotional weight to the story (from a human perspective) and allows more of the story to develop amongst other species and worlds.

Considering Earth hold about 99 % of all population (12 000 millions on Earth, while the highest-pop colony is about 4 millions), virtually all the industry and the entirety of culture and history of humanity...
Well, yes actually, if Earth is gone, humanity is destroyed.

And the cheap "Earth is ravaged" cliché is clearly such a transparent, cheap and overused attempt at trying to "emotionnally involve" that it ends up doing exactly the opposite for me. In fact, it makes me very afraid about the level of writing and plot of the whole game, as I've got this bad feeling they just went the cheap and easy "quick and shallow emotional" route while throwing away all the realism that made this franchise so interesting in the first place...

Modifié par Zanath, 21 février 2012 - 10:09 .

[hawat333]

SNascimento wrote...

Because it's our homeplanet?

It doesn't really matter in my opinion.
Leaving a place behind - that's easy. Leaving people behind - that's the hard stuff.
And that's what Shepard is fighting for.

[Ziggeh]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Ziggeh wrote...

Wildy stabbing in the dark, but I suspect some people live there.

God, the forum has been going down hill since ridiculous posts like these.

Nothing worse than being concise and accurate.

[Skyblade012]

nevar00 wrote...

Also there are probably a good amount of people still living there, even after the Reapers basically level everything.

If you carpet bomb an entire planet, it's population is screwed.  They may have survived the attack, but what will they eat?  Crops have been vaporized, so have megamarts.  Where is uncontaminated water?  What will you drink?

No, the planet, and all the humans on it, are screwed.  Unless the entire game takes a matter of weeks, there will be nothing left to save.

[Capeo]

Suprez30 wrote...

There's not many planet like the Earth in the galaxy. It's also home. Think Quarians.
Don't seem like all of Earth is Ash either. Just because a couple of city burn.

Huh?  There's like a million earth-like planets in the ME universe.

[AlexXIV]

Capeo wrote...

Suprez30 wrote...

There's not many planet like the Earth in the galaxy. It's also home. Think Quarians.
Don't seem like all of Earth is Ash either. Just because a couple of city burn.

Huh?  There's like a million earth-like planets in the ME universe.

More like dozens maybe.

[sorentoft]

It is symbolic. Earth is our home, our place of origin. Why would we stand by and let some filthy aliens defile it?

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

the reapers are still fighting what alliance forces are there, so they're not just steamrolling over us. the idea behind the whole concept is that the alliance as they are stand no chance at winning the war, but they can hold them off while shepard does what he needs to. weren't you paying attention to the subtext durnig anderson's farewell to shepard?

common sense, duder. wars take longer than a few weeks to fnish, especially an entire planet. the reapers are powerful but they're only 2 kilometers long. theres limits to what they can do at one time. this is a planet far more overpopulated and well armed than the earth of today. they're able to survive for a while at least.

also you can replant crops. the reapers are using lasers, not poison. they didnt blow up the ocean as far as i know!

you're making alot of assumptions based on movie and videogame logic, not actual logic.


"These people need a leader, now go!  you have your orders."  - Anderson said that.  why would he say that?  Oh because its what is happening in the game.  huhhhhhh

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 21 février 2012 - 10:30 .

[ApplesauceBandit]

It's our home planet duhhh... and it doesn't matter if alien's are fighting for earth either, you think only humans live on earth now? lol...I'm sure there are plenty of Asari, Turian, Krogan. ect. that have made earth their temporary or permanent home, just like Humans have branched out and live all across the galaxy.

[Apollo Starflare]

Shepard and the Humans will fight because it is their homeworld, so long as their is even a slim chance of saving it from total destruction they will do all they can to take it back.

As I said before though, I am most interested to see how Shepard and co manage to persuade some of the other races who may see things much as you have laid out in the OP. Why -should- they fight and die for the Human's homeworld, which looks almost certainly lost?

[Zanath]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

the reapers are still fighting what alliance forces are there, so they're not just steamrolling over us. the idea behind the whole concept is that the alliance as they are stand no chance at winning the war, but they can hold them off while shepard does what he needs to. weren't you paying attention to the subtext durnig anderson's farewell to shepard?

Then I'd wonder why the Reaper are supposedly so powerful if a single planet that has just barely got space technology 30 years ago can hold so many of them off for so long.
Aren't these guys supposed to wipe entire galaxies ?

Again, I'm more and more afraid that Bioware just went for the easy shallow way instead of pursuing the same "realism" we saw in the previous games...

Modifié par Zanath, 21 février 2012 - 10:41 .