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[VolusvsReaper]

Mr. Parker wrote...

Seriously, there's the child in the demo, the little girl in the trailer and now there's another child escaping with its mother in the extended trailer. though that one gets to survive. At this rate, I'm fully expecting to see the destroyed earth populated only by children. Children suffering from terminal illness in an orphanage. And when you get there, the side quests will involve crying children asking you to rescue their lost puppies from the reapers. Said puppies will be flayed alive just as you reach them, so they can ram down your throat just how high the stakes are. It's intellectual and emotional laziness and I expected better from Bioware.

Because Commander Herbert demands it

[Sesshomaru47]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Sesshomaru47 wrote...

Those children are freakish looking, their eyes are too big or something...Plus they're the only 2 children in existence in the whole of the known universe and now they're dead. And that lady beetle too. I think it's supposed to reinforce the horror of war and what Shepard's fighting for, a future, mankind and warm fuzzy feelings...oh well.

Actually, theirs a third one now in the extended CGI trailer, who gets saved by awesome BritishSniper guy.

Ah well that's what Shepard's fighting for then. That one stupid kid and his mummy. I wish we got awsome super Britsh sniper guy...

[phimseto]

I think the whole "oh noes, don't endanger/kill the children" thing is a silly, silly argument. Children die in war, get over it. I think part of the problem is that this one scene has been out there for a while, and that it's exacerbated by the fact Bioware restaged the same exact circumstance for their new commercial. That was a really foolish thing to do - to use the same imagery to try evoking the same feelings. It cheapens the effect when you see it in the game.

And of course that's if the kid is even real, which is apparently open to conjecture.

The whole kid angle is the least worrisome thing to me. The intro length and how soon the Reapers arrive seems a lot more worrying to me.

[Backslash93]

Shinian2 wrote...

After the DA2 demo ending (Busty pirate offering herself to you) I find nothing Biowaare does surprising.

Well, it was Isabela... So you can't say they didn't properly introduce her.

Modifié par Backslash93, 21 février 2012 - 08:18 .

[tmp7704]

Well, having child suffer is the easiest way to try and evoke emotional response from the viewer. Writer monkey sees, writer monkey does.

The catch is, this approach sort of overlooks that the primary audience of game like ME isn't old enough to have developed first-hand parental instincts, and instead will see these children as annoyance they couldn't care less about, at best.

[Turran]

I dont understand why you are complaining.. So they have children in their trailer and in the game..Your point? They do exist? If you don't like it then just move on with the game? ...Tis not hard and everyone is then happy.

If it does not make you sad, then it does not make you sad? Just keep playing.

[Medhia Nox]

@Taleroth: While I'm not so critical (at least toward this particular aspect of ME) ... I see the reason for your (and many others) criticism of the cinematics.

[AkiKishi]

Turran wrote...

I dont understand why you are complaining.. So they have children in their trailer and in the game..Your point? They do exist? If you don't like it then just move on with the game? ...Tis not hard and everyone is then happy.

If it does not make you sad, then it does not make you sad? Just keep playing.

The one that pops up in the middle of the trailer fleeing is fine. The girl playing with the ship is just cheap. As is the kid in the vent in the opening level.

The trailer really does not need random kid to work. The iconic image of Big Ben and the Reapers coming down is more than enough. Overuse of kids just make it feel like a cheap grab for sympathy and lessons the impact because it is so obvious why the kids are there.

[bwg888]

tmp7704 wrote...

Well, having child suffer is the easiest way to try and evoke emotional response from the viewer. Writer monkey sees, writer monkey does.

The catch is, this approach sort of overlooks that the primary audience of game like ME isn't old enough to have developed first-hand parental instincts, and instead will see these children as annoyance they couldn't care less about, at best.

First-hand parental instincts? If you were actually a parent, you'd know that it's one of the most difficult things a person can do correctly, and literally everyone is unprepared to do it. You don't just grow a new brain part the moment the child pops out. But also, you say that non-parents would have no reaction to children in mortal danger? I, uh.... ok. I mean, you don't have to burst into tears at the sight, but I would think most everyone would have some sort of internal reaction. As in, it registers in their brain

[Reever]

OMG, they can´t having *****n everything in their games.

Get over yourselves and enjoy the game. Or better don´t and get the hell out of here. You´re beggining to get on my nerves.

[Turran]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Turran wrote...

I dont understand why you are complaining.. So they have children in their trailer and in the game..Your point? They do exist? If you don't like it then just move on with the game? ...Tis not hard and everyone is then happy.

If it does not make you sad, then it does not make you sad? Just keep playing.

The one that pops up in the middle of the trailer fleeing is fine. The girl playing with the ship is just cheap. As is the kid in the vent in the opening level.

The trailer really does not need random kid to work. The iconic image of Big Ben and the Reapers coming down is more than enough. Overuse of kids just make it feel like a cheap grab for sympathy and lessons the impact because it is so obvious why the kids are there.

The game is already made, the cinematic is already made. They are both out, the game has been gold for a while now. 
Please stop calling it 'cheap', it is probably meant for the emotional factor and it does infact work with a lot of people. Just because you are the noiser lot does not mean you are right or that your view is the view of an entire player-base.

[Julia343]

squee365 wrote...

Whats the matter? Someone steal your sweet roll?

Yes.

[CannonO]

Rick Grimes will save us from these damn children.

[Mike Shepard]

I believe the children are our future..

Teach them well and let them lead the way...

Modifié par Mike Shepard, 21 février 2012 - 09:02 .

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Children everywhere! Pre-order cancelled!

Seriously though, it was time their existence was acknowledged in the Mass Effect universe lol.

Modifié par RyuGuitarFreak, 21 février 2012 - 09:06 .

[tmp7704]

bwg888 wrote...

First-hand parental instincts? If you were actually a parent, you'd know that it's one of the most difficult things a person can do correctly, and literally everyone is unprepared to do it. You don't just grow a new brain part the moment the child pops out. But also, you say that non-parents would have no reaction to children in mortal danger? I, uh.... ok. I mean, you don't have to burst into tears at the sight, but I would think most everyone would have some sort of internal reaction. As in, it registers in their brain

I meant simply someone who has been raising their own child(ren) for a few years is likely to have much stronger reaction to seeing a kid like their own suffer, if just because they can easily imagine their own offspring in that place.

[papapudding]

Jenkins was a kid in ME1 and he died on Eden Prime.

[BlueAlchemy]

Darkchipper07 wrote...

JRCHOharry wrote...

I remember a wonderful time when the BSN complained that there were no children shown in Mass Effect. Those were good times, happy times. I want to go back to those days.

And that hit the nail on the head, why do people feel the need to complain over every little thing?

It's hilarious, I know. Well I just have one thing to say in response to all the whiners. "Rosebud"

[tez19]

BlueAlchemy wrote...

Darkchipper07 wrote...

JRCHOharry wrote...

I remember a wonderful time when the BSN complained that there were no children shown in Mass Effect. Those were good times, happy times. I want to go back to those days.

And that hit the nail on the head, why do people feel the need to complain over every little thing?

It's hilarious, I know. Well I just have one thing to say in response to all the whiners. "Rosebud"

I'd rather be a 'whiner' then a bum bum licker. Does it taste good?

[teh_619]

BlueAlchemy wrote...

Darkchipper07 wrote...

JRCHOharry wrote...

I remember a wonderful time when the BSN complained that there were no children shown in Mass Effect. Those were good times, happy times. I want to go back to those days.

And that hit the nail on the head, why do people feel the need to complain over every little thing?

It's hilarious, I know. Well I just have one thing to say in response to all the whiners. "Rosebud"

I'm sure you cried when the little kid died.

[CannonO]

I see no problem with children being in the game, and in fact, I think it is perhaps better than never seeing any.

[khankar]

Mr. Parker wrote...

Seriously, there's the child in the demo, the little girl in the trailer and now there's another child escaping with its mother in the extended trailer. though that one gets to survive. At this rate, I'm fully expecting to see the destroyed earth populated only by children. Children suffering from terminal illness in an orphanage. And when you get there, the side quests will involve crying children asking you to rescue their lost puppies from the reapers. Said puppies will be flayed alive just as you reach them, so they can ram down your throat just how high the stakes are. It's intellectual and emotional laziness and I expected better from Bioware.

maybe children have some significance to the plot. maybe human kids are immune to indoctrination or some other deus ex machina involving kids will turn up in the game!!??

[teh_619]

CannonLars wrote...

I see no problem with children being in the game, and in fact, I think it is perhaps better than never seeing any.

You don't get it do you?

OP is complaining about the pitiful efforts to inspire some kind of forced emotional response.

Not about children in general.

[Zanath]

tmp7704 wrote...

Well, having child suffer is the easiest way to try and evoke emotional response from the viewer. Writer monkey sees, writer monkey does.

The catch is, this approach sort of overlooks that the primary audience of game like ME isn't old enough to have developed first-hand parental instincts, and instead will see these children as annoyance they couldn't care less about, at best.

Or that it's just so overused we only get the mild annoyance of the "in your face" attempt at artificially provoke some kind of predictable emotional response, rather than said emotional response ?

The overinflated deal about children in video games - be it "no they aren't killable because IT'S EVIL TO KILL CHILDREN ! (but you can maim and slaughter adults by the dozen, no problem here)" or the "*sob* my CHILDREN HAVE BEEN captured/killed/are sick/etc. *sob*" - is just too heavily-handed, too overused and too predictable to still have the effect it's supposed to. Especially as it's often used due to a lack of subtlety, which means something already overused is, on top of that, rather unskillfully done.