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[Docter_Sanchez32]

Manlytearsuk wrote...

So what can us Bioware fans do against the blight that is Reddit? How do we hold these people accountable for the heart ache they have caused?

I think we should all send donations to vanneruk@googlemail.com and we can deal with the lardge amount of the trolls ruining twitter.

Honestly, I think this is a good Idea. To get rid of a weed you have to pull out its roots, not trim its hedges. Reddit is that root. erm, yeah. Also It's a pedophile ring and I work at microsoft and Bill gates told me when we had brunch together that their users supply drugs and pirated copies of video games via the internet

[Ninjapino]

From what I understand, a few years back, when asked what her least favorite parts of making games was, her answer was something along the lines of "actually playing the games" going ahead and stating that she didn't really enjoy playing video games, but loved writing for them. This is completely understandable. Different folks, different strokes. She does her job and, it seems to most peoples opinion, she does a pretty good job. She has created characters and helped with stories that some people love and other don't.

However, this somehow became a catalyst for saying how she shouldn't be in the gaming industry if she doesn't like video games, which lit a fire under people with too much time on their hands into calling her a "cancer" on the gaming industry, which lead to people threatening her and even tracking down her personal information to harass her.

Seriously, I honestly can't say it any better, so I'm just going to post this again:

The PLC wrote...

Jim Sterling from Destructoid hit the nail on the head with this part of his article on this whole thing:
"This is the kind of behavior that justifies the FOX News stereotype of the basement dwelling, antisocial nerd. This is the kind of behavior that makes the Spike VGAs look like the perfect gamer show -- because it's crass, immature, and it sports the emotional depth of a wet paper towel. That's how gamers look when something like this happens."

Mrs. Helper, I really don't care what you said. Your opinions are your opinions and you're not hurting anybody by having them. Please don't let these troglodytes get to you. And, Bioware, thank you for having her back.

P.S. Those that are trying to say she's complaining and crying simply because she's a woman and doesn't have a right to be in the gaming industry....do you not realize that it's 2012?

[SubspaceGirl]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ionized Crab wrote...

Biowares new fanbase continues to prove that WRPGs are dead.

The only thing that I can seek comfort in is that Cd Projekt is still alive and The Witcher 2 is still out there.

And according to you have been doing such for nearly 10 years.

Then why don't you sing their praises and leave us alone? It should be clear to you at this point that BW isn't going to be what you want them to be. Why not move on? 

I'm starting to think they like the attention. I'd say that's why most of the people moaning on this site are here. Normal people usually move on if they don't like something, not waste god knows how much of their day blabbering on a site they hate.

[MadLaughter]

This may be the most ignorant thing ever said, but if feminism is all about equality and pursues this outcome in ways that include curating sentences to not have words like 'female' in them, why is the root 'fem' in the title of the philosophy? Shouldn't it have been called something more equal? The very name of the movement seems to have some sort of bias..

[CG50]

Ionized Crab wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

...wait...if you didn't like BW games since KOTOR (which was like...their fourth game? They've made at least another 4 games since then).

WTF are you here?

Because this is a Bioware forum. Oh sorry, I remembered most of Biowares fans started liking their games when ME2 came out.

Yeah, deal with it.

[Ionized Crab]

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 21 février 2012 - 11:00 .

[Sircaptainking]

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 21 février 2012 - 10:59 .

[Ryzaki]

Ionized Crab wrote...
Because I can't. I still love Bioware deep down inside. I want them to change.

But they'll keep pandering to people who don't even like RPGs.

You wanting someone to change doesn't mean squat if they don't want or see no reason to change.

Who cares! Find a dev that will pander to your tastes and call it a day. BW aren't the only RPG writers out there.

[HamboigaHoilpa]

Remmak wrote...

xvise66 wrote...
Now you're contradicting yourself. If a name call is a name call, then that is the way it is 100% of the time. No buts about it. It doesn't matter if the circumstances are defending oneself or instigating an altercation. A=A

An accurate way to defend herself would be to call the police and say that X people are harrassing her, that is defense. Name calling them back or bad mouthing them saying that they can not get any vagina doesn't defend herself in any way. 

No I'm not contradicting myself at all. Think of a name call as a bullet. Someone fires one at you and you fire one back. Who is going to be held legally reponsible? The one who shot first, even though you both fired guns. Self defense is justified.

Saying name calling back is not defense is like saying name calling is not an attack. If someone punches you, do you sit there or do you put your hands up and swing back?

Did batman teach you nothing? Joker killed people, yet when it came down to it batman wouldnt even kill joker, because that'd make him just as bad as Joker.

[Esquin]

This thread really should be closed.

All that is happening is a bunch of people accusing others of being sexist, a bunch who are bashing feminism and thats all it really is now.

Since the heart of this issue has nothing to do with feminism i'd say it's time to close this thread. Wouldn't you agree bioware?

I would however like to restate my own thoughts.

Many people took this too far. But the issue started with a criticism of her writing. She is the one who brought her gender into this, some people saw that as reason to make it an issue. I did not. Her gender has no impact on her writing ability.

She is a poor writer and her ideas about game design and development are bad at best, dangerous at worse. Her 'fast forward button' suggestion shows 2 things. It shows how out of touch she is with the medium, not the fans. But the medium as a whole. Merging interactivity and story telling is something games have been working towards for some time, to separate them would be a huge step back.

It also shoes that she has no understanding of the design process, or the importance of integration of gameplay and story. If her idea were implemented it would mean huge steps backwards from where we are. Gameplay and story would be once again forced apart so that story could only take place in pre rendered scenes entirely separate from gameplay.

My issue is not with her gender. It is with her ideas and poor writing skills.

[BlazeReborn]

I can relate to some lulz on the internet, but some people just take it too far. Here's to Bioware for defending one of their own.

I ain't gonna say jack about Jennifer or her writing cause I never got even close to the Dragon Age series yet, so I'm not one to criticize. Constructive criticism is one thing and you have the right to voice your opinion, but being an intolerant **** ain't no way to do it. 

Some people really need to get laid or something.

Modifié par BlazeReborn, 21 février 2012 - 10:37 .

[Draythe]

Since when do people use the word bullying to refer to adults criticizing another adult anyway?

[Ionized Crab]

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 21 février 2012 - 11:00 .

[Manlytearsuk]

Reddit is Legion wrote...

sickpixie wrote...

This thread should be closed. 4chan's /v/ has multiple threads linking to it so the quality of discourse isn't going to get any better.

Haha, you WISH.  Those silly /v/irgins are taking credit for Reddit's work (as always). we came from r/gaming to fight the blight on gaming that is "New" BioWare. 

As we say on r/funny,
-"Mo' Hepler, Mo' Problems!"
 

Do you feel good about yourself bullying a woman who has a pork rind addiction? Reddit needs to stop blaming 4chan for cyber bullying and fess up to their crimes.

[Reddit is Legion]

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 21 février 2012 - 11:01 .

[SubspaceGirl]

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 21 février 2012 - 11:01 .

[Remmak]

HamboigaHoilpa wrote...

Did batman teach you nothing? Joker killed people, yet when it came down to it batman wouldnt even kill joker, because that'd make him just as bad as Joker.

I don't live in a cartoon.  Unfortunately I suffer here in meatspace.

[Ryzaki]

SubspaceGirl wrote...
I'm starting to think they like the attention. I'd say that's why most of the people moaning on this site are here. Normal people usually move on if they don't like something, not waste god knows how much of their day blabbering on a site they hate.

I understand disappointment....but why keep coming back after disappointment and disappointment? After a while it just...common sense would tell you to move on.

[Morroian]

xvise66 wrote...

 We don't want to leave Bioware, I love this company. Kotor is my number 2 favorite game of all time. Mass Effect is another one of my favorites. But I can see the downward spiral of their games and nobody likes that. Why should we just leave bioware to die when we can criticize things and hopefully get bioware to go back to their roots and make fantastic games again?

Abusing, harrassing and bullying people is not criticism. You do realise that by doing it you completely invalidate whatever argument you may have.

[Pinkflu]

MadLaughter wrote...

This may be the most ignorant thing ever said, but if feminism is all about equality and pursues this outcome in ways that include curating sentences to not have words like 'female' in them, why is the root 'fem' in the title of the philosophy? Shouldn't it have been called something more equal? The very name of the movement seems to have some sort of bias..

Madlaughter, that's not ignorant at all. :] The term feminism (I hope I'm corrected if I'm wrong), I believe actually derives from 'feminine', not 'female', as it is a movement concerned primarily with gender and gender roles/stereotypes, and not biological sex.

Although in recent years as feminism has recognised the broad, many factors that intersect with sexism, there has been some debate about the continuing relevance of the term.

[redBadger14]

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 21 février 2012 - 11:01 .

[teh_619]

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 21 février 2012 - 11:01 .

[Ionized Crab]

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 21 février 2012 - 11:02 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

Ionized Crab wrote...

Because I can't. I still love Bioware deep down inside. I want them to change.

But they'll keep pandering to people who don't even like RPGs.

It's been 12 years since BG2 came out.

That's a long time to be wishin' and hopin', brah'.  You might wanna reconsider your misplaced faith in Bioware to make that next BG for you.  Get out of the basement and live a little.

[SubspaceGirl]

Ionized Crab wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Ionized Crab wrote...
Because I can't. I still love Bioware deep down inside. I want them to change.

But they'll keep pandering to people who don't even like RPGs.

You wanting someone to change doesn't mean squat if they don't want or see no reason to change.

Who cares! Find a dev that will pander to your tastes and call it a day. BW aren't the only RPG writers out there.

The whole genre is in stagnation though. What should I do if a whole genre is becoming terrible all at once because of casuals?

I bet you're one of the people that actually like FFXIII

There you go again, just because you don't like FFXIII doesn't mean other people do. Stop getting so friggin' pissed over other peoples opinions.