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[Manlytearsuk]

Meeszy Alexy wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Let me make it very clear that anyone using this thread as a soapbox to tell the world why they feel this kind of childish, immature behaviour is warranted will be removed from the thread.

So are we only allowed to agree with you, or what?

It'll be when the Reddit trolls get out of the thread, from the looks of things.

Hopefully they get tired of ruining the reputation of a great writer and beautiful woman who has done nothing to deserve the wraith of these reddit trolls.

[redBadger14]

JohnEpler wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Let me make it very clear that anyone using this thread as a soapbox to tell the world why they feel this kind of childish, immature behaviour is warranted will be removed from the thread.

So are we only allowed to agree with you, or what?

You can disagree politely, or you can leave the thread.

Don't like it? Life remains persistently unfair.

Maximum ownage achieved.

[Dr. wonderful]

I had enough of this thread.

People are going to get upset and post their views about the world? Fine, but I also don't have to read it.

[AngryFrozenWater]

teh_619 wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Let me make it very clear that anyone using this thread as a soapbox to tell the world why they feel this kind of childish, immature behaviour is warranted will be removed from the thread.

So are we only allowed to agree with you, or what?

Nope.

It seems you know little of John Epler. He is one who always gives room to both sides of the story. In this case there is no logic in it at all. Here's why:

I believe that we should look to BW's products critically (John has no problem with that), but that does not mean bullying individual members of their teams should be allowed. I think that these people love their work and work long hours and thus should be treated with respect. Besides, it looks like she has nothing to do with writing for ME3. So I am puzzled anyway.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 21 février 2012 - 10:58 .

[MissOuJ]

The way Jennifer Hepler has been treated by so called "fans" and certain individuals of the gaming community has been inexcusable, disgusting and utterly lacking in basic human decency. And I'm disappointed to see it on BSN as well.

But I'm very glad BioWare has publicly given its support, and am pleased to see there still are companies that care for their employees well-being.

My best wishes to Hepler, and all the people who've taken initiative in challenging the culture of internet harassment - particularly when it is directed at women working in a male-dominated industry. You people rock!

[Pinkflu]

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 21 février 2012 - 11:04 .

[Manlytearsuk]

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 21 février 2012 - 11:04 .

[AtreiyaN7]

I'm glad that they're supporting her - the Twitter thing was just disgusting.

[Jexx21]

Passionaticus wrote...

Bioware was born with us, they will die with us. The only question is how - through natural and peaceful means, or though war, tarnished image and bankrupcy. If they want to continue making consoleware shooters and dating sims -fine, but they need to change their brand name and publicly admit that this is entirely new company, with no history, that it has no ties to BG series, KOTOR and original DAO. We'll settle for nothing less.

ME1 was made before DA:O, and DA:O was affected by Hepler, unlike the ME series.

So by what you're asking, Hepler would be associated with BioWare, and with one of it's 'great' games (by what you put down here), and a game that was released before one of these great games wouldn't be.

You're not making sense.

[Andhaira]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

It seems you know little of John Epler. He is one who always gives room to both sides of the story. In this case there is no logic in it at all.

So we can discuss both sides of the story... except we are not allowed to discuss the, as you called, "illogical" side of it because... it's not allowed to be discussed.

Cool.

Modifié par Andhaira, 21 février 2012 - 11:02 .

[thepringle]

So messed up, I can't believe people would do this. I also can't believe that people are defending this kind of behavior.

[Esquin]

JohnEpler wrote...

Let me make it very clear that anyone using this thread as a soapbox to tell the world why they feel this kind of childish, immature behaviour is warranted will be removed from the thread.

The behaviour expressed by those bully Jennifer was indeed terrible and should never be repeated. I agree 100% with you on that.

However I still feel that some of Jennifers writing is not up to scratch. I also think that her ideas regarding "skippable combat" are something that would have a negative impact on video games as a form of entertainment. I don't say these things to attack her, or to say she is a bad person. But I do strongly disagree with her ideas, and it is my right to voice that disagreement. I am not bullying or judging her as a person. I'm simply saying that I disagree with her and her opinions on gaming. I believe that her opinions on the future of gaming make her ill suited to working in the industry. 

If you consider this bullying please tell me and I will delete my post myself. I however think that this is simply a statement of my opinion and not bullying.

[ladyofdragons]

BioWare, THANK YOU.

[Manlytearsuk]

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 21 février 2012 - 11:05 .

[OrkMan491]

MissOuJ wrote...

The way Jennifer Hepler has been treated by so called "fans" and certain individuals of the gaming community has been inexcusable, disgusting and utterly lacking in basic human decency. And I'm disappointed to see it on BSN as well.

But I'm very glad BioWare has publicly given its support, and am pleased to see there still are companies that care for their employees well-being.

My best wishes to Hepler, and all the people who've taken initiative in challenging the culture of internet harassment - particularly when it is directed at women who can't do his job properly and a lot people angry about it. You people rock!

Fixed

[Rinji the Bearded]

Andhaira wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

It seems you know little of John Epler. He is one who always gives room to both sides of the story. In this case there is no logic in it at all.

So we can discuss both sides of the story... expect we are not allowed to discuss the, as you called, "illogical" side of it because... it's not allowed to be discussed.

Cool.

No you see you can totally do that as long as you're not acting like a little child about it.  It's such a crazy idea, I know.

[Pinkflu]

Esquin wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Let me make it very clear that anyone using this thread as a soapbox to tell the world why they feel this kind of childish, immature behaviour is warranted will be removed from the thread.

The behaviour expressed by those bully Jennifer was indeed terrible and should never be repeated. I agree 100% with you on that.

However I still feel that some of Jennifers writing is not up to scratch. I also think that her ideas regarding "skippable combat" are something that would have a negative impact on video games as a form of entertainment. I don't say these things to attack her, or to say she is a bad person. But I do strongly disagree with her ideas, and it is my right to voice that disagreement. I am not bullying or judging her as a person. I'm simply saying that I disagree with her and her opinions on gaming. I believe that her opinions on the future of gaming make her ill suited to working in the industry. 

If you consider this bullying please tell me and I will delete my post myself. I however think that this is simply a statement of my opinion and not bullying.

No, this is how it should be done.

[Meesherbeans]

Passionaticus wrote...

Bioware was born with us, they will die with us.

You wish.

[Danijou]

I envy her. She's a woman with a job in the gaming industry. She's everything I want to be. I'm sorry women have different chromosomes, but i'm confused what that has to do with any aspect of writing for, enjoying, designing for, or otherwise sanctioning video games.

A number of the reddit comments were about her use of homosexuality in her writing, weren't they? Oh, boo hoo. Equality. Strangely enough her writing in these games hasn't turned me from a straight woman into a lesbian, and most of the time, I actually play a heterosexual couple. What I can do, however, is to enjoy the fact that if I WISH to witness the writing for a homosexual couple of either gender, it's there. Often, I do. Why shouldn't I? If I didn't want to, I wouldn't have to.

I wish I worked for Bioware. I still love their games. I have my problems with them, I felt ripped off with DA2, and I probably won't pre-order DA3. Does that mean I won't buy it? Does that mean I want a whole new team of writers? No and no.

I hope people remember the cardinal rule: You Can't Please Everyone.

"You're confusing a war [...] with not getting everything you want."

[Meeszy Alexy]

Esquin wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Let me make it very clear that anyone using this thread as a soapbox to tell the world why they feel this kind of childish, immature behaviour is warranted will be removed from the thread.

The behaviour expressed by those bully Jennifer was indeed terrible and should never be repeated. I agree 100% with you on that.

However I still feel that some of Jennifers writing is not up to scratch. I also think that her ideas regarding "skippable combat" are something that would have a negative impact on video games as a form of entertainment. I don't say these things to attack her, or to say she is a bad person. But I do strongly disagree with her ideas, and it is my right to voice that disagreement. I am not bullying or judging her as a person. I'm simply saying that I disagree with her and her opinions on gaming. I believe that her opinions on the future of gaming make her ill suited to working in the industry. 

If you consider this bullying please tell me and I will delete my post myself. I however think that this is simply a statement of my opinion and not bullying.

See, this is a reasonable opinion. I don't agree with it, but you're talking about it in a reasonable way. Therefore, this shouldn't be deleted. 

[Andhaira]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Andhaira wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

It seems you know little of John Epler. He is one who always gives room to both sides of the story. In this case there is no logic in it at all.

So we can discuss both sides of the story... expect we are not allowed to discuss the, as you called, "illogical" side of it because... it's not allowed to be discussed.

Cool.

No you see you can totally do that as long as you're not acting like a little child about it.  It's such a crazy idea, I know.

Then could you clarify why were legitimate posts that discussed this other side of the story and were not childish or offensive at all deleted/edited?

[Noviere]

It's disgusting what has been said about Jennifer Hepler by these pathetic individuals. Good on Bioware for standing up for their employee.

[John Epler]

Andhaira wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

It seems you know little of John Epler. He is one who always gives room to both sides of the story. In this case there is no logic in it at all.

So we can discuss both sides of the story... except we are not allowed to discuss the, as you called, "illogical" side of it because... it's not allowed to be discussed.

Cool.

Nope, you can discuss the 'illogical' side of it, as long as you're civil and you keep the personal attacks out of it. And, yes, this involves telling the world why you think those attacks were justified.

You're more than welcome to disagree with Jennifer's ideas, but keep it polite and civil.

[Esquin]

MissOuJ wrote...

The way Jennifer Hepler has been treated by so called "fans" and certain individuals of the gaming community has been inexcusable, disgusting and utterly lacking in basic human decency. And I'm disappointed to see it on BSN as well.

But I'm very glad BioWare has publicly given its support, and am pleased to see there still are companies that care for their employees well-being.

My best wishes to Hepler, and all the people who've taken initiative in challenging the culture of internet harassment - particularly when it is directed at women working in a male-dominated industry. You people rock!

Her gender should not make her a target for criticism and bullying.

However it should not make her immune to critical comments either. I should be able to disagree with her opinions and dislike her writing regardless of her gender. But there are many in this topic who seem to feel that because she is a woman she should be immune to all crticial comments.

[CG50]

it's like watching corrie.