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[Chris Priestly]

Hi Everyone

Below, please see a message from BioWare co-founder Dr. Ray Muzyka in regards to the recent attacks on Jennfer Hepler.

Jennifer is a valued, talented employee who has been with BioWare for many years and we hope will be with us for many more. It is awful that a few people have decided to make her a target for hate and threats, going so far as fabricating forum posts and attributing them to her, and singling her out for projects to which she has not contributed (i.e., Jennifer is not even a part of the Mass Effect writing team). All of us at BioWare support and will continue to support Jennifer fully, and are happy to see so many people out there are also supporting her during this difficult time.

 - Dr. Ray Muzyka. Co-Founder of BioWare; General Manager, BioWare Label; Senior Vice President, Electronic Arts



Additionally we will be making a donation of $1000 in Jennifer's name to Bullying Canada. Please feel free to also donate to this worthy cause in support.

Thank you again to everyone who has supported Jennifer and BioWare in this difficult time.

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 21 février 2012 - 08:13 .

[John Epler]

Let me make it very clear that anyone using this thread as a soapbox to tell the world why they feel this kind of childish, immature behaviour is warranted will be removed from the thread.

[John Epler]

And let's cut out the quote pyramids. Those stopped being cool' round about when altavista could still be mentioned in polite conversation without generating laughter.

[John Epler]

teh_619 wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Let me make it very clear that anyone using this thread as a soapbox to tell the world why they feel this kind of childish, immature behaviour is warranted will be removed from the thread.

So are we only allowed to agree with you, or what?

You can disagree politely, or you can leave the thread.

Don't like it? Life remains persistently unfair.

[John Epler]

Andhaira wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

It seems you know little of John Epler. He is one who always gives room to both sides of the story. In this case there is no logic in it at all.

So we can discuss both sides of the story... except we are not allowed to discuss the, as you called, "illogical" side of it because... it's not allowed to be discussed.

Cool.

Nope, you can discuss the 'illogical' side of it, as long as you're civil and you keep the personal attacks out of it. And, yes, this involves telling the world why you think those attacks were justified.

You're more than welcome to disagree with Jennifer's ideas, but keep it polite and civil.

[John Epler]

Andhaira wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Andhaira wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

It seems you know little of John Epler. He is one who always gives room to both sides of the story. In this case there is no logic in it at all.

So we can discuss both sides of the story... expect we are not allowed to discuss the, as you called, "illogical" side of it because... it's not allowed to be discussed.

Cool.

No you see you can totally do that as long as you're not acting like a little child about it.  It's such a crazy idea, I know.

Then could you clarify why were legitimate posts that discussed this other side of the story and were not childish or offensive at all deleted/edited?

If you can name specific posts, I can probably tell you why. In threads like this, though, posts that are inflammatory tend to be removed to keep things on-topic. As well as quote pyramids, or anything that makes the thread more obnoxiously difficult to read.

[John Epler]

If folks would like to start a thread in the DA2 general forum discussing the division of gameplay and story, and how to bring the two into closer harmony, that's cool. That's a discussion worth having.

I'd do it, but I have my hands full.

[John Epler]

The precise legal ramifications of people's actions are entirely irrelevant to this thread, so let's end that entire line of discussion now, shall we?

[John Epler]

Jelefant wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

Jelefant wrote...

The fact that it's a criminal offense by itself is not what causes hilarity. It's the fact that Mrs H.H. actually starts a scandal on the internet instead of just quitting her job at bioware

Why should she quit her job over the opinions of a few pinheads with a bloated sense of self-entitlement?

Well, why should she NOT quit her job over the opinions of a horde of buffoons with a bloated sense of situational awareness? Not everyone is cut out for every job, we saw it here and we saw it many times before. Of course, bioware's CEO will say anything he needs to in order to keep what little illusion of integrity this company has since it sold out to EA

This would be an entirely inappropriate thread for this kind of sidebar. So let's cut it out, shall we?

[John Epler]

Dirtyjuice wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

Siona wrote...

Dirtyjuice wrote...

Hepler is just bad at writing, bad at handling random internet comments and is also apparently bad at taking criticism.

Calling someone cancer, telling them to miscarry, and calling them fat     /=/   criticism of any sort.

Exactly. You'd think it's not a very complicated and/or difficult concept to grasp...

You also missed that I said she's bad at handling random internet comments.

Being salty over strangers on the internet is a sign of psychological and self-esteem issues.

And another tangent that we're going to shut down right now.

[John Epler]

Bladefist_01 wrote...

Fenton wrote...

I'm glad Bioware is supporting thier employees. Having critisim is alright. Being an total jerk by using personal attacks and worse isn't alright. Those attacks that I've read was disgusting and uncalled for. Jennifier we have your support the fans of Bioware, your work and thier games we are supporting you.

You are completely right.

Were you one of the people originally attacking Jennifer? No? Then it's not directed at you.

If you were? Well, my sympathies are nonexistent. Either way, I've already addressed the whole position of 'WELL SHE DESERVED IT', and how it's not one that will continue in this thread.

[John Epler]

Dirtyjuice wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

[Sad attempt at wit removed]

I thought this was a western country that supported free speech, not North Korea

It's a private web forum wherein we have certain rules people agree to when they post here. Don't like them? Don't post here!

If you think this is unfair, well, such is life. I suggest you write your local political representative.

[John Epler]

Andhaira wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Bladefist_01 wrote...

Fenton wrote...

I'm glad Bioware is supporting thier employees. Having critisim is alright. Being an total jerk by using personal attacks and worse isn't alright. Those attacks that I've read was disgusting and uncalled for. Jennifier we have your support the fans of Bioware, your work and thier games we are supporting you.

You are completely right.

Were you one of the people originally attacking Jennifer? No? Then it's not directed at you.

If you were? Well, my sympathies are nonexistent. Either way, I've already addressed the whole position of 'WELL SHE DESERVED IT', and how it's not one that will continue in this thread.

Whatever happened to "both sides of the story can be discussed"?

As I originally explained - if you'd like to talk about her comments and her work in a respectful fashion, please, feel free.

However, there's no situation where the kind of harrassment that happened is in any way acceptable, and if you believe otherwise, we are operating under completely different concepts of appropriate human conduct.

[John Epler]

Andhaira wrote...

But all he did was quote her own words.

Let's be clear - this isn't a debate.

The post was intended to be read in a specific fashion. If I misread it, I'm sorry, but I really doubt that to be the case.

And this particular sidebar is done.

[John Epler]

Dirtyjuice wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Dirtyjuice wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

[Sad attempt at wit removed]

I thought this was a western country that supported free speech, not North Korea

It's a private web forum wherein we have certain rules people agree to when they post here. Don't like them? Don't post here!

If you think this is unfair, well, such is life. I suggest you write your local political representative.

I do believe that is within our civic duty as citizens to try to represent the ideas our respective nation's constitutions lay out for us. Even if it is a private forum for a private company, supressing free speech just makes you look fellas look like tyrants.

Suppressing speech solely because it is not within your own personal worldviews is beyond childish, as well as editing this gentlemen's post.

http://tinypic.com/r/2dq2k7/5

'Creative' use of the caps lock to make insulting comments about someone's weight is not a viewpoint I'm particularly concerned about respecting, sorry.

And this sidebar is over.

[John Epler]

A Fusing Shade wrote...

I feel that I must point out that, during this argument, as I have observed, people have tried  to discuss and comment on her work in a respectful fashion - though not always agree with it - and it has been editted, censored or removed. They were polite, made no attacks towards any member of Bioware but, simply stated their criticisms of Bioware, it's recent workings and other choices yet, vanished completely. 

I am moved to ask what you would define as "respectful fashion" as I am under the impression it simply means 'So long as it is possitive words along the lines of "This is the best game ever!"'

Though I am an old fan of Bioware I have seen how some employees have reacted towards the futile and childish actions of some anonymous users and I cannot think that it is a good representation of Bioware nor professional in anyway. I think a problem arises when both sides, both the agressors and Bioware itself, lower themselves to flinging mud and insults.

I mean no ill will in my statements, I am merely curious.

You'll have to show me the posts in question - I think we've been fairly good about leaving any non-vitirolic posts intact, but I'd be lying if I said that, in the heat of the moment, we might overreact.

However! There are a few good examples early on about taking issue with the statements made without attacking Jennifer as a person. And the latter is unacceptable.

[John Epler]

Bladefist_01 wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Bladefist_01 wrote...

Fenton wrote...

I'm glad Bioware is supporting thier employees. Having critisim is alright. Being an total jerk by using personal attacks and worse isn't alright. Those attacks that I've read was disgusting and uncalled for. Jennifier we have your support the fans of Bioware, your work and thier games we are supporting you.

You are completely right.

Were you one of the people originally attacking Jennifer? No? Then it's not directed at you.

If you were? Well, my sympathies are nonexistent. Either way, I've already addressed the whole position of 'WELL SHE DESERVED IT', and how it's not one that will continue in this thread.

No, it was not directed at me, it was directed to those giving honest criticism to her work, THEN the hate spewed "trolling" began.

No. I'm sorry, but that's not true, and I'm quite certain that you know it. Given that this started as a result of a post referring to her as a cancer, your timeline is only feasible if we ignore causality. And since time travel remains theoretically impossible, that's not going to happen.

[Stanley Woo]

This is a reminder that personal attacks, swearing, and some extreme language is not permitted in our community. We can (and should be able to) disagree with each other without resorting to childish behaviour. This includes throwing tantrums when you don't get your way on someone else's forum.

So let's please cut it out, and remember to be excellent to each other.

[Stanley Woo]

Some off-topic bickering has been removed.

[Stanley Woo]

Let's stop with the off-topic tangents, please.

[Stanley Woo]

Shoemaster wrote...

I have no support for cheer me up loli-pop time. She didn't deserve personal spiteful comments, but it should be noted bioware that something should change. Suppressing opinions and moving towards a broader market has a good number of previous hardcore fans at arms. It's gotten to this point, do you really want people to take it farther?

Broader marketing isn't the way to go. Not with passionate fans like this.

So... make games for our ("our" being very vague here) tastes or we'll be even bigger jerks to your employees in the future? Your negotiation tactics need some work. That sounds more like extortion than a request.

Please don't threaten us.

[Stanley Woo]

Blastback wrote...
Not simply because they were not polite, but because they singled out a single target and refused to treat her with the inherint respect and dignity that she deserves as a human being.  Plenty of posters, myself included, have criticised DA2 and Bioware's recent direction.  We've found honest fault with it.  But we've never gone out of our way to strip anyone at Bioware of their dignity.   We've tried to approach them with the utmost respect and love.  Do we sometimes fall short?  Sure.  But we apologise and try to avoid letting it happen again.  So hopefully, our opinions are worth hearing.  Anything expressed in hatered is not.

Thank you for that, Blastback. That's the kind of communication we should all endeavour to have, with everyone.

[Stanley Woo]

Let's keep it on topic, please.

[Stanley Woo]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I ask again, why couldn't she have made her twitter private rather than make matters worse by restoring to an insult herself? It only made matters worse, including Aaron Flynn's reactions which didn't help the matter at all.

I don't support what happened to Hepler, though the entire back-and-forth insults between both sides didn't help anything but make it worse.

Why couldn't some people have left comments made in a 6 year old interview alone? we could question the past all we like, but we have to deal with the present in order to make our future a better one, Dave.

[Stanley Woo]

Indeed, let's take discussion of Anders as a character to the appropriate threads. Thank you.