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[Tryynity]

JohnEpler wrote...

And let's cut out the quote pyramids. Those stopped being cool' round about when altavista could still be mentioned in polite conversation without generating laughter.

LOLz I still titter a little   

.... not quite sure what a quote pyramid is.... but in this case I cant quote because I cant find the post Im responding too, and I have to stop reading this thread and do some work.

I want to say however - I also fully support Aaron Flynns reaction on twitter !  It was very knightly - the world needs more valiant knights willing to be "unprofessional" in the context of what happened to Ms Hepler.

Go Aaryn!

[JigabooJones]

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 21 février 2012 - 11:53 .

[Andhaira]

[bickering removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 22 février 2012 - 12:10 .

[Dirtyjuice]

Siona wrote...

JigabooJones wrote...

Siona wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

CG50 wrote...

Arnagath wrote...

I actually agree with her, the battles in dragon age 2 are so terrible (because of spawns and the unability to talk your way through) so I think it would be welcome to skip them. They are by far the worst part of the game. Dragon Age fights where not allot better (the tactical element from Baldurs Gate is gone).

Either make battles interesting or make them shorter/let us skip them. 

 If they take the gameplay out of the game, it's not really a game then. It's more like an interactive movie (which might actually happen in the future who knows?). I think ME3 tried to address it by have the story mode though (which i'm against but people have their play styles). 

And what people don't understand is that story mode is only easier combat. It doesn't skip combat (from what I saw when I tested it at least). I'd imagine it's similar to "Tell Me A Story" in Deus Ex: HR. And hey, do you know that you can skip combat and car chase scenes in LA Noire after 2 failed attempts? 

Seriously! Red Dead Redemption does something similar, and I have yet to see people scream and moan about it.

Because Red Dead Redemption is a far lighter game, it doesn't have a story as heavy and bloated as Dragon Age 2 or TOR.

Meaning what, that the latter are RPG games, which might attract RPG players who might look forward more to that element rather than combat?

Shocking.

Bioware has not done anything in the slightest to keep that RPG momentum going, what with the retcons in DA2 and all.

There are ways to effectively blend gameplay and story into a game, video games are interactive mediums, there's no reason to skip over the gameplay. If the gameplay isn't engaging or is insignificant enough to skip over, then the developers themselves have failed to make a great game.

A very easy mode is fine, but skipping the game part of a video game is not.

And with that I say, read a damn book if you can't play games.

[CG50]

It all depends on whether or not the story and gameplay are weaved together, or what the main focus of the gameplay is.

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 21 février 2012 - 11:53 .

[jarober]

Just a thought: ignore the nastier comments directed at her, but: consider the fact that so many people think that her ideas are seriously misguided, and that so many people think that DA2 took a very bad turn. Additionally, consider how many people are about to say the same thing about ME3.

Just push the nasty stuff aside and ask yourself why there's so much vocal opposition to what she said. If you do that, you might win some fans back.

[Siona]

What I've seen is you making excuses as to why it's tolerable, because of Bioware or because of Hepler being an "easy target", and defending heinous phone calls to her own house or attacks over Twitter as okay because it's not necessarily legal. It really comes off as trying to defend it with your own brand of logic.

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 21 février 2012 - 11:53 .

[weseire]

Some of the stuff I saw online the last few days in regards to this, has been really horrible. Some people just are just awful.

Good to see Bioware sticking by an employee, in the face of a small minority of online bullies.

[Aeowyn]

jarober wrote...

Just a thought: ignore the nastier comments directed at her, but: consider the fact that so many people think that her ideas are seriously misguided, and that so many people think that DA2 took a very bad turn. Additionally, consider how many people are about to say the same thing about ME3.

Just push the nasty stuff aside and ask yourself why there's so much vocal opposition to what she said. If you do that, you might win some fans back.

Consider the fact that she is a simple writer and that she, as a writer, has no say in gameplay design. She writes. I don't really see how not liking combat has anything to do with writing. And sure her writing may be lackluster, but she is just one worker in a large team.

[RosaAquafire]

JigabooJones wrote...

It's a shame that the mods are a bit heavy-handed in their duty. They seem to like bringing their full weight down upon anybody they deem to be trolls, so basically any criticisms are smothered under their authoritarian mass.

In my post I mentioned that I found Anders extremely melodramatic and didn't care for him, and that I thought Sebastian was bland and very underused, and I didn't like the Orzammar section in DA:O. I also said that I thought the personal attacks against Ms. Hepler's weight, personality, and physical appeance, as well as death threats, suicide demands, and harassment via telephone, were all completely irrelevant to anything vaguely resembling a valid crticism.

My post wasn't deleted.

Criticism is just fine. However, I really don't think a comment on a post saying "we support Jennifer Hepler in her time of trouble and have donated money to a charity on her behalf" that says "WELL LET'S BE HONEST, HER WRITING SUCKS," is really approriate.

[CEOofMcDonalds]

[Inanity removed]

Modifié par JohnEpler, 21 février 2012 - 11:55 .

[Andhaira]

jarober wrote...

Just a thought: ignore the nastier comments directed at her, but: consider the fact that so many people think that her ideas are seriously misguided, and that so many people think that DA2 took a very bad turn. Additionally, consider how many people are about to say the same thing about ME3.

Just push the nasty stuff aside and ask yourself why there's so much vocal opposition to what she said. If you do that, you might win some fans back.

What I can honestly make out of all this is that Bioware is no longer fit to support the weight of their own popularity anymore. As a result, their games are getting bloated and smothered by the developer's massive addition of irrelevant content into them.

Modifié par Andhaira, 21 février 2012 - 11:56 .

[Siona]

Chris Priestly wrote...

It all depends on whether or not the story and gameplay are weaved together, or what the main focus of the gameplay is.

If anything you would think there'd be MORE critcism labeled at GTA/LA Noire/RDR because their big selling points are their combat systems and such, where Bioware is well known for having equal parts RPG and action, yet I don't think I've ever seen someone gripe and moan about the ability to skip certain sequences after attempts in Rockstar games the way people do about the POSSIBILITY of the option being in Bioware games where it'd make sense for the more RPG-leaning customers.

[The Courier]

Edit: Post removed

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 21 février 2012 - 11:57 .

[Siona]

RosaAquafire wrote...

JigabooJones wrote...

It's a shame that the mods are a bit heavy-handed in their duty. They seem to like bringing their full weight down upon anybody they deem to be trolls, so basically any criticisms are smothered under their authoritarian mass.

In my post I mentioned that I found Anders extremely melodramatic and didn't care for him, and that I thought Sebastian was bland and very underused, and I didn't like the Orzammar section in DA:O. I also said that I thought the personal attacks against Ms. Hepler's weight, personality, and physical appeance, as well as death threats, suicide demands, and harassment via telephone, were all completely irrelevant to anything vaguely resembling a valid crticism.

My post wasn't deleted.

Criticism is just fine. However, I really don't think a comment on a post saying "we support Jennifer Hepler in her time of trouble and have donated money to a charity on her behalf" that says "WELL LET'S BE HONEST, HER WRITING SUCKS," is really approriate.

^^^

[Sister Goldring]

I am totally disgusted by some of the things I've read here and I'm not quoting them because I won't repeat such repugnant comments.

No-one should be subjected to this - ever.

I hope that Jennifer knows that a lot of women who enjoy gaming are delighted to see females represented within this industry and support her. If I could I'd give you chocolate!

[Firky]

What this thread has devolved into nicely illustrates why the stance BioWare took is what the gaming community so sorely needs.

They defended their employee, authentically and unconditionally, then donated money to a relevant organisation. This demonstrates they are far above the parts of this discussion that don't actually matter any more.

Thanks again. (And thanks to moderators.)

[Dirtyjuice]

Siona wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

It all depends on whether or not the story and gameplay are weaved together, or what the main focus of the gameplay is.

If anything you would think there'd be MORE critcism labeled at GTA/LA Noire/RDR because their big selling points are their combat systems and such, where Bioware is well known for having equal parts RPG and action, yet I don't think I've ever seen someone gripe and moan about the ability to skip certain sequences after attempts in Rockstar games the way people do about the POSSIBILITY of the option being in Bioware games where it'd make sense for the more RPG-leaning customers.

You sound so uneducated. All of those games are praised for their stories and gameplay, as they successfully weave both of those elements in. 

Skipping the gameplay is not going to make an RPG a better game, its just going to make it into a visual novel. Want something like ME or DA without gameplay? Pop in Fate/stay night, Saya no uta or Boku no pico, its exactly what you're looking for.

[Jelefant]

Edit: Post removed.

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 22 février 2012 - 12:11 .

[Ryzaki]

Siona wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

It all depends on whether or not the story and gameplay are weaved together, or what the main focus of the gameplay is.

If anything you would think there'd be MORE critcism labeled at GTA/LA Noire/RDR because their big selling points are their combat systems and such, where Bioware is well known for having equal parts RPG and action, yet I don't think I've ever seen someone gripe and moan about the ability to skip certain sequences after attempts in Rockstar games the way people do about the POSSIBILITY of the option being in Bioware games where it'd make sense for the more RPG-leaning customers.

This.

Someone wants to skip the combat. Why do you care? Unless the devs start taking OUT the combat so it's not even OPTIONAL then I can see getting up in arms. As it is...why give a damn? I don't care about the people who skip dialogue all the time even though that's a pretty damn big part of the game. They play how they want to play as do I. If you want to whine about being able to skip combat I hope you whine about that skip dialogue button present in EVERY single BW game and I hope you whine about Action mode just as much. They're skpping key parts of the experience too!

Modifié par Ryzaki, 22 février 2012 - 12:02 .

[AtreiyaN7]

Seething Hate wrote...

*snips because she can't stand to see this again*

A post like your shows that we all just can't get along and that we're not the <things that got deleted because they were offensive> - it's posters like you who are members of the <things that got deleted because they were offensive>. I've been playing BW games since Baldur's Gate too, yet I don't seem to have that sense of self-entitlement that you do despite playing almost all their games for a very long time. Guess what - no matter how loyal, devoted and passionate you've been, it's not okay to be a disrespectful and colossal d-bag who thinks that they can say anything they want while hiding behind their internet anonymity.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 22 février 2012 - 12:02 .

[CG50]

Siona wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

It all depends on whether or not the story and gameplay are weaved together, or what the main focus of the gameplay is.

If anything you would think there'd be MORE critcism labeled at GTA/LA Noire/RDR because their big selling points are their combat systems and such, where Bioware is well known for having equal parts RPG and action, yet I don't think I've ever seen someone gripe and moan about the ability to skip certain sequences after attempts in Rockstar games the way people do about the POSSIBILITY of the option being in Bioware games where it'd make sense for the more RPG-leaning customers.

I agree.

I like playing the RPG and action side of Mass Effect because i enjoy it. Insanity mode? bring it. However, not everyone wants to play the action side or the story side for that matter. The thing is, although i dislike the story mode or action mode, i'm not going to complain about it.  I won't choose that option but other people will so thats fine. Its just another way to enjoy the game.

Same with GTA/LA Noir, the option is there, doesn't mean you have to take it. 

[Kyote]

What a bunch of utter psychotics. A small number ruining our entire community, they make one ashamed to be a gamer. I say ignore them, you're a good writer ma'am.

[Fenton]

I'm glad Bioware is supporting thier employees. Having critisim is alright. Being an total jerk by using personal attacks and worse isn't alright. Those attacks that I've read was disgusting and uncalled for. Jennifier we have your support the fans of Bioware, your work and thier games we are supporting you.

[visual novels]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Ladies and gentlemen, this is absolutely unacceptable.

wasn't that post a lot lengthier a few hours ago ... ?