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[Tempest_]

Nice to see such a display of public support. Nice job on the donation as well.

[CaptainKing]

Wow, I'm really having a hard time trying to digest all of this. It just downright churns my stomach seeing such petty and infantile malice directed at a fellow human being. I mean, criticism is one thing (though I personally don't see it, I thought her huge contribution to the Dragon Age games was excellent) but this is just on a whole nother scale. It's really just immensely sad to see people being so needlessly hateful. Like many others, I have a feeling in my gut that most of these "critics" (read: spiteful manchildren) are misogynists. Why only attack Hepler? Maybe a few of these people have been criticizing the entire writing staff, but by and large these attacks are aimed at Hepler and Hepler alone.

As a Bioware fan, a redditor, a man and a human being, this whole ordeal is a massive embarassment. I hope Bioware and Mrs. Hepler are able to put this giant mess behind them. I'm glad to see Bioware doing their best to support one of their employees. I've already decided that I'll be making a sizeable donation to Bullying Canada myself.

Well that's my two cents. One person's opinion doesn't hold much weight, so I hope everyone else who supports Bioware and Mrs. Hepler make their voices heard so that we can tip the scales against these hateful imbeciles.

[Cyne]

will someone please inform me what's going on? I don't want to have to read through 30 pages o.O

[Stanley Woo]

Some off-topic bickering has been removed.

[AtreiyaN7]

smirtington wrote...

Did you miss the jealous of her v***** quote? That wasn't exactly positive now was it? She has a personal private account, if she wanted to say something of that nature there than that's fine, her right. Only those who are approved could see it. But she went on a public account (not to mention that it was her professional account with ties to Bioware), in full view of everyone on the internet, and hurled insults. How could you say something so polarizing and not expect response on the internet? You'd be foolish to think that people wouldn't take offense.

And? I believe her response came sometime after the relentless hate/negative comments, unless I'm way off base in the timeline. When those morons started their attacks, they lost the right to expect to be treated with the kind of respect that they're incapable of showing to others. I don't care if they're butthurt after having their victim actually stand up to them and/or had people calling them out for the jack----- that they are. Do I think Hepler's response was diplomatic? Nope, but I'd probably have snapped long before she did with all the crap that's gone on.

[billy the squid]

StyxxnStones wrote...

QuentinCompson wrote...

ConcernedPeanut wrote...
Being a consumer of Biowares games, and a fan of Bioware's previous titles, I have a right to voice my opinion of what I didn't like about the game, and what might'be made it better. It's not that I don't like Bioware, I want to see it become something better and maybe criticism from the fans may provide feedback in a positive way.

I don't have to be a professional to say what I think.

Just because you have the right doesn't mean you should voice it.

I have the right to bear arms for self defense, doesn't mean I go walking around in public with a gun rack.

Thoreau would disagree on this point. Everyone should be encouraged to voice their opinion, positive or negative, as that is the essence of individualism and freedom.

No, Thoreau's ideas are not pragmatic. People have the right to opinions, but they should not be led to believe that all opinions are equally valid, opinions are not sacrosanct. If such opinions are based upon irrelevancies, stupidity and ignorance they should be ignored as such.

[Sarrawei]

The sexism and homophobia in regards to "critiques" of DA/DA2's writing isn't just about people's reaction to the in-game material, it includes claims like "They only did this to appeal to girls and gays!" assuming that 1) this is true (because both are monolithic entities, dunchaknow) and 2) that if this were true, it would be problematic.

It's actually something that does men no benefit either, because it suggests that men "aren't supposed to like" certain types of properties when really any entertainment should be open to anyone.

Modifié par Sarrawei, 22 février 2012 - 01:19 .

[slyborg]

QuentinCompson wrote...

Bladefist_01 wrote...

QuentinCompson wrote...

ConcernedPeanut wrote...
Being a consumer of Biowares games, and a fan of Bioware's previous titles, I have a right to voice my opinion of what I didn't like about the game, and what might'be made it better. It's not that I don't like Bioware, I want to see it become something better and maybe criticism from the fans may provide feedback in a positive way.

I don't have to be a professional to say what I think.

Just because you have the right doesn't mean you should voice it.

Uh, yes, yes it does.

No no it doesn't.

Listen kid I'm in my school's mock trial program. I scored a 1720 on my PSAT. I know a thing or two about the law. 

Ummmmm right. Well, I got straight A's in my law classes. That doesn't mean I have the right to tell people they should or shouldn't express their opinion. They should express their opinion. What they should NOT do is express it with lies, hate speech, and misinformed information (which is what the people on Reddit did)

I may not agree with the way BioWare is being taken, whether storywise, gameplay wise, or marketing wise, but Hepler does not deserve to be singled out for causing the decline of an entire game studio.

[smirtington]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

smirtington wrote...

Did you miss the jealous of her v***** quote? That wasn't exactly positive now was it? She has a personal private account, if she wanted to say something of that nature there than that's fine, her right. Only those who are approved could see it. But she went on a public account (not to mention that it was her professional account with ties to Bioware), in full view of everyone on the internet, and hurled insults. How could you say something so polarizing and not expect response on the internet? You'd be foolish to think that people wouldn't take offense.

And? I believe her response came sometime after the relentless hate/negative comments, unless I'm way off base in the timeline. When those morons started their attacks, they lost the right to expect to be treated with the kind of respect that they're incapable of showing to others. I don't care if they're butthurt after having their victim actually stand up to them and/or had people calling them out for the jack----- that they are. Do I think Hepler's response was diplomatic? Nope, but I'd probably have snapped long before she did with all the crap that's gone on.

There was a minor thing of reddit, it was taken down. She then went to twitter and continued with it.

[didhedie]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Some off-topic bickering has been removed.

I hope it was that femanist crap.

[StyxxnStones]

billy the squid wrote...

StyxxnStones wrote...

QuentinCompson wrote...

ConcernedPeanut wrote...
Being a consumer of Biowares games, and a fan of Bioware's previous titles, I have a right to voice my opinion of what I didn't like about the game, and what might'be made it better. It's not that I don't like Bioware, I want to see it become something better and maybe criticism from the fans may provide feedback in a positive way.

I don't have to be a professional to say what I think.

Just because you have the right doesn't mean you should voice it.

I have the right to bear arms for self defense, doesn't mean I go walking around in public with a gun rack.

Thoreau would disagree on this point. Everyone should be encouraged to voice their opinion, positive or negative, as that is the essence of individualism and freedom.

No, Thoreau's ideas are not pragmatic. People have the right to opinions, but they should not be led to believe that all opinions are equally valid, opinions are not sacrosanct. If such opinions are based upon irrelevancies, stupidity and ignorance they should be ignored as such.

I don't argue relevancy and neither did Thoreau. The person I was arguing with was of the persuasion that opinions should not be voiced (if he doesn't agree with them.) I simply explained that while some opinions are unpopular and ignorant, that shouldn't mean that voicing opinions in general should be discouraged. Sorry if that was unclear to you.

[Stanley Woo]

Let's stop with the off-topic tangents, please.

[Bladefist_01]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I am not stating that Jennifer Hepler was obnoxious, but if someone is obnoxious then it does not give others the right to do the same. But of course you know that. You just like to stir up the place, right?

Jennifer Hepler was directly representing Bioware on her Twitter account when she put in the phrase "Senior writer at Bioware" on her profile, so in the circumstances it was her JOB to be the bigger person, and I dislike being dismissed as a troll when I bring up what I believe to be valid argument. If you want to create a rebuttal do so by all means, but just disregarding what I say as trolling does not help your cause in the least. All I want is for Bioware to publicly admit that their employees acted inappropriately WHILE representing their company, but they don't want to do that, so what can I do?

Modifié par Bladefist_01, 22 février 2012 - 01:24 .

[basbaker]

I'd like to add my support for Jennifer Hepler and for BioWare. As a company, you have given me memorable games that I've spent more hours than I care to think about playing. As a writer, Jennifer Hepler has given me one of my favorite characters within those games. I'm glad to see an official statement from the company supporting her, and I know that behind the scenes, you are all taking good care of one of your own.

Maybe someday individuals like those who have been attacking Mrs. Hepler will understand (and care) that there are genuine people with feelings on the other end of the internet connection. Until then, I hope those of us who already realize it will continue to have each other's backs.

[AtreiyaN7]

StyxxnStones wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

StyxxnStones wrote...

I will whole-hardheartedly agree that the comments and threats directed at Jennifer Hepler were asinine, idiotic, and childish. But remember who you are dealing with, this is the masses of the internet, a majority of these users are underage simpletons anyway. I wouldn't really expect a formal and polite rebuttal from someone who frequents reddit.

Jennifer Hepler, however, is an adult, and works for a professional company. She IS expected to be mature and polite, because not only is she an adult, but also because she represents a very important company. Saying things like "I don't even enjoy video games" while working for a video game company is rather unprofessional. If she were in my employ, I would have been very embarrassed that such things were said by one of my employees. Bringing up your gender as an argument to critics and trolls (even arguing with internet trolls in the first place) is also very unprofessional and childish.

I don't condone the harsh treatment and abuse of her as of late, but neither side is completely in the right.

Saying you don't enjoy playing games while working for a video game company is NOT unprofessional - it's a personal opinion that has no relation to her job performance (writing).

I understand opinions, thank you. But I think you missed a critical point. I don't personally care how she feels about video games, I am glad she has an opinion actually. But she works for a video game company, and public stated her controversial opinion. That is unprofessional. If I worked for a sofa company, I would not state in an interview that I hated couches. I would keep my opinion to myself because I would know that I represent my company and wouldn't want to paint it in a bad light.

What does it say to the public about Bioware if their own employees aren't even video game fans?

No, I didn't miss a critical point. This is simply opinion versus opinion. My opinion is that it's not even remotely unprofessional to say that you don't particularly care for games when liking games is not actually part of your job description. Her job is to write - period. she doesn't need to like/love games to write for them. I'm a book designer, and I detest working on poetry books (their authors too oftentimes). It doesn't mean that my holding that opinion makes me incapable of doing my job in and formatting poetry books.

[Sarrawei]

Bladefist_01 wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I am not stating that Jennifer Hepler was obnoxious, but if someone is obnoxious then it does not give others the right to do the same. But of course you know that. You just like to stir up the place, right?

Jennifer Hepler was directly representing Bioware on her Twitter account when she put in the phrase "Senior writer at Bioware" on her profile, so in the circumstances it was her JOB to be the bigger person, and I dislike being dismissed as a troll when I bring up what I believe to be valid argument. If you want to create a rebuttal do so by all means, but just disregarding what I say as trolling does not help your cause in the least. All I want is for Bioware to publicly admit that their employees acted inappropriately WHILE representing their company, but they don't want to do that, so what can I do?

It's up to Bioware to determine its own company policy regarding the division between personal and professional communications. 

[MrMcDoll]

I didn't really know any of this stuff was happening - I was blissfully ignorant whilst doing a philosophy assignment about AI.
I've caught up on what has occurred and I can kinda see where both sides are coming from.
The viewpoints that is.
The behaviour of the common 'hard-core' gamer are tragic and childish, it's the reason I wish games weren't all online and supported LAN instead - I just can't stand sharing my time gaming with these ingrates and only want to play with people I can hold an intelligent, RESPECTFUL, debate with.

Similarly, the response regarding detractors being jealous of having vagina and a gaming industry job is quite immature and insulting in the sense that I am critical of the quality of games in today's age (not just Bioware games even) yet I'm confident that I am in no way jealous of anyone else's achievements. Nor does my critical judgement of a writer's work have anything to do with their life's achievements other than their writing.

I can however, totally understand that at times, even the most reserved person may lash out when provoked. Often with regrettable, throw-away comments.

It's sad that the 'gamers' reacted to this even worse.

I'd just like to say that I feel sorry for ms Hepler. And would advise her that the people that make up the internet really aren't too evolved - don't take it personally, shrug it off as misplaced rage.

To Bioware in general though, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE remember that you got where you are by producing some of the finest pc rpgs in the history of ever - you appealed to something of a niche market (though a huge niche!!) and as time has gone on I feel you have sacrificed a lot of the sophistication in your games to appeal to a wider audience. I understand that you are a business, but please just remember the fans that aren't all dicks, the ones who bought baldur's gate in it's little cardboard sleeve like 3 times so they wouldn't have to give disc 3 to their brother when he reached the gnoll fortress. The fans who got you where you are.
But the fans that don't try to remind you of that by being massive douches!!

[DenisN]

Right on. Glad to see this, Stay awesome, Jennifer.

[TEWR]

There is more to gameplay than shooting and killing. Phoenix Wright being a good example.

Should people skip the investigation parts of PW just because they're too hard?

It's obvious you're a troll, but I'll bite anyway.

I believe her comment had nothing to do with how she found gameplay difficult -- from what I've read, she never said anything of the sort -- but how she found her time to be incredibly restricted now that she's not only working at Bioware but is also going to be taking care of a family.

She happens to find the story the part she loves the most, and would welcome the option to skip through the gameplay to be a part of the story. That has nothing to do with the gameplay being difficult, but how she doesn't have time to go through the gameplay.

Now, while I disagree with what she wants I certainly respect why she wants it.

The problem has to do with her time constraints as well as the disconnect between gameplay and story.

[lemiel14n3]

Thank you. Thank you to everyone at bioware, your employee did not deserve the abuse she recieved and your support shows a great deal of character. And thank you to every fan who offered support to Jennifer, again, kindness is always a good thing to see on the internet.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Bladefist_01 wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I am not stating that Jennifer Hepler was obnoxious, but if someone is obnoxious then it does not give others the right to do the same. But of course you know that. You just like to stir up the place, right?

Jennifer Hepler was directly representing Bioware on her Twitter account when she put in the phrase "Senior writer at Bioware" on her profile, so in the circumstances it was her JOB to be the bigger person, and I dislike being dismissed as a troll when I bring up what I believe to be valid argument. If you want to create a rebuttal do so by all means, but just disregarding what I say as trolling does not help your cause in the least. All I want is for Bioware to publicly admit that their employees acted inappropriately WHILE representing their company, but they don't want to do that, so what can I do?

If you do not agree with her then state so. No reason to bully her, nor do a personal attack and no reason to insult her. If she gets confronted with that then it is most likely she act as a human being. Human beings are not perfect. Try to be a human being as well. Cut the crap.

[AtreiyaN7]

smirtington wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

smirtington wrote...

Did you miss the jealous of her v***** quote? That wasn't exactly positive now was it? She has a personal private account, if she wanted to say something of that nature there than that's fine, her right. Only those who are approved could see it. But she went on a public account (not to mention that it was her professional account with ties to Bioware), in full view of everyone on the internet, and hurled insults. How could you say something so polarizing and not expect response on the internet? You'd be foolish to think that people wouldn't take offense.

And? I believe her response came sometime after the relentless hate/negative comments, unless I'm way off base in the timeline. When those morons started their attacks, they lost the right to expect to be treated with the kind of respect that they're incapable of showing to others. I don't care if they're butthurt after having their victim actually stand up to them and/or had people calling them out for the jack----- that they are. Do I think Hepler's response was diplomatic? Nope, but I'd probably have snapped long before she did with all the crap that's gone on.

There was a minor thing of reddit, it was taken down. She then went to twitter and continued with it.

A minor thing that I can't read now I suppose. As I understand it from reading the Destructoid article, it all started with her being harassed on Reddit and that they followed her onto Twitter. I imagine that her comment stemmed from the harassment and whatever nasty comments were removed, so yeah, I think my point stands that if you start acting like an a------, you really shouldn't expect to be treated with respect. While her comment wasn't going to help things any, I can see why she'd be angry enough by then to say it, even though it was ill-advised. And I imagine that her comment was probably directed solely at the people harassing her, not the general public. I don't really care how the people who harassed her feel atm either.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 22 février 2012 - 01:35 .

[DenisN]

Voluntarily deleted.  Not topically relevant.

Modifié par Denis Nickoleff, 22 février 2012 - 01:36 .

[Bladefist_01]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...
If you do not agree with her then state so. No reason to bully her, nor do a personal attack and no reason to insult her. If she gets confronted with that then it is most likely she act as a human being. Human beings are not perfect. Try to be a human being as well. Cut the crap.

You make it sound like I have attacked her, all I have done is state exactly that, my argument and for my trouble I have been disregarded as a troll.

[PTRe]

[inappropriate post removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 22 février 2012 - 01:41 .