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[Rinji the Bearded]

Bladefist_01 wrote...

I am going to ask this directly to a moderator, not one of you regulars who just spout the same arguments incessently. What is your (Biowares) statement on the comments made by YOUR employees. I simply want to know what will happen about them. Because, provoked or not, they were not appropriate.

Thank you.

Only if you promise to tell us that all those people who were to blame for the attack in the first place have also been sacked or docked pay or whatever.

It's also funny that you are demanding an employer to tell their employees how to defend themselves from verbal abuse.  Who died and made you king? (Because I didn't vote for you)

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 22 février 2012 - 06:04 .

[schythe1]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

schythe1 wrote...

This is like talking to a brick wall.  

No it should not have happened, I believe an event was bound to.

How is this defending anyone?

You are defending it by saying that it's inevitable that a person will get viciously harrassed and attacked, therefore enabling those who did.

What Rinji said. Honestly, it's talking to people like you that reminds me of smacking my head against a brick wall. I'm not sure that some of you even realize how what you're saying comes across. When you say that something is inevitable, it's more or less implies that the blame lies with the victim. It's nice that you don't approve of what was said, but despite that you're coming across as defending the vile crap that happened.

But that is not what I said.  Please read carefully: IT SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED TO HER.

I also did not say that she was bound to be abused nor that it makes it right, what I said was that an event was bound to happen.  To be honest this is not the even I thought was coming, I thought it would be some half baked boycott or someone fighting with Gaider but I am trying to say SOMETHING was going to happen.  It does not make it right and I am not defending it.  But I think it could maybe have been avoided and deffinitely could have been handled better.

If everyone here wants to believe that I am just defending this even then fine, believe that.

Believeing it does not make it so.

[Reptilian Rob]

This image sums up the event, and this thread as a whole. Calm down internet, and calm down BSN. This is just one big ass trollfest. The best way to go about it is to ignore said trolls and move on, ban the most obnoxious and...Actually just ban them all; problem solved.

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Modifié par JohnEpler, 22 février 2012 - 06:09 .

[Dragoonlordz]

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Modifié par JohnEpler, 22 février 2012 - 06:13 .

[Imported_beer]

RinjiRenee wrote...
Only if you promise to tell us that all those people who were to blame for the attack in the first place have also been sacked or docked pay or whatever.

Yes. I think some people are quite keen to ensure the Bioware employees who retaliated (whether you think it was justified or not) merit some action against them for a couple of comments. Fair enough. What do they think should happen to those who engaged in months of harrassment. 

[Ryzaki]

syllogi wrote...
No, actually, it is not inevitable that people would take a six year old interview out of context, combine that with a fake photoshopped forum quote, and decide that the individual targetted deserves harassment both on the internet and through phone calls.  I don't believe that level of ignorance, stupidity, and hatred is inevitable.

Aye the whole thing feels...utterly ridculous.

[Dragoonlordz]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

This image sums up the event, and this thread as a whole. Calm down internet, and calm down BSN. This is just one big ass trollfest. The best way to go about it is to ignore said trolls and move on, ban the most obnoxious and...Actually just ban them all; problem solved.

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Pretty sure you will have 24 hours to think about what doing here, away from these forums for making jokes about the situation and what happened to her. Just a guess though.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 22 février 2012 - 06:10 .

[AtreiyaN7]

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Modifié par JohnEpler, 22 février 2012 - 06:13 .

[Reptilian Rob]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

This image sums up the event, and this thread as a whole. Calm down internet, and calm down BSN. This is just one big ass trollfest. The best way to go about it is to ignore said trolls and move on, ban the most obnoxious and...Actually just ban them all; problem solved.

-snip-

Pretty sure you will have 24 hours to think about what doing here, away from these forums for making jokes about the situation. Just a guess though.

Um, I wasn't joking. 

You really think the idiots harrassing Hepler were seriously pissed off about her opinions? Nope. They were in it for a few giggles and laughs at the expense of Hepler, they are TROLLS, not serious business internet anti-heros. You are giving these morons too much credit. 

[MissyEliott]

We pay more money for video games than movies and music combined. Many people have earned that money and should be allowed to express their disappointment in any product that they've payed for. Bioware has increasingly devolved in quality over recent years and rather than mindlessly target the business in its entirety, steps should be taken to isolate the key weaknesses in its structure. In this case Jeniffer Hepler.

Not all accusations against her are fabrication, and her response to this faceless criticism has been extremely foolish and unprofessional, serving only to further shed a negative light on her image, and the already crumbling image of Bioware and EA. Customers actually DO have the right to perpetuate complaints against an employee, and when it degenerates into harassment it only reflects the level of ignorance Bioware displays towards its consumer's opinions. In any other industry she'd be gone already. The developers are just as immature as their demographic.

[Jahannam]

I pay my taxes. I buy games. So Im allowed to go to city hall council meetings and be critical of city policy. Just like Im allowed to be critical of games I buy.

Now imagine saying this kinda garbage these guys did at a city council meeting, singling out a individual with death threats, personal attacks because you dont like the way they handle their job or their personal view on how something should be run.

Think free speech or hey I pay my taxes is going to keep you from getting tossed out, tazed or arrested? Try it and let me know how that goes. I would even expect some choice things said back at the person on their way out. Just because you bought a game you are not entitled to act like a bonehead.

Flat out wrong is whats going on here. Thats the problem with the internet, no accountability for ones actions. Shes a writer. She doesnt have to love games..or even like them. Im sure theres people in Biowares billing dept that hate games too. Going to trash them as well? Does everyone that gets cut a paycheck from Bioware have to be a gamer now?

They need to install a tazer on keyboards with a jerk check program.

[Sia_Sinblade]

Personally, I think the people who made those comments should be found out, their accounts banned for life from forums AND games and made to publicly apologize for their actions.

Maybe then the mess that calls itself "gamer-community" would grow up.

But that's hoping for too much I think.

[schythe1]

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Modifié par JohnEpler, 22 février 2012 - 06:13 .

[John Epler]

Alright, schythe1 and others, let's end this tangent. It's going around in never-ending circles.

[Sia_Sinblade]

MissyEliott wrote...

We pay more money for video games than movies and music combined. Many people have earned that money and should be allowed to express their disappointment in any product that they've payed for. Bioware has increasingly devolved in quality over recent years and rather than mindlessly target the business in its entirety, steps should be taken to isolate the key weaknesses in its structure. In this case Jeniffer Hepler.

Not all accusations against her are fabrication, and her response to this faceless criticism has been extremely foolish and unprofessional, serving only to further shed a negative light on her image, and the already crumbling image of Bioware and EA. Customers actually DO have the right to perpetuate complaints against an employee, and when it degenerates into harassment it only reflects the level of ignorance Bioware displays towards its consumer's opinions. In any other industry she'd be gone already. The developers are just as immature as their demographic.

And in a nutshell, here is what's wrong with the Internet. 

People actually think they have the right to be complete and utter ****s to others...and when it all goes to hell, it's not their fault. 

Pathetic.

[Dragoonlordz]

MissyEliott wrote...

We pay more money for video games than movies and music combined. Many people have earned that money and should be allowed to express their disappointment in any product that they've payed for. Bioware has increasingly devolved in quality over recent years and rather than mindlessly target the business in its entirety, steps should be taken to isolate the key weaknesses in its structure. In this case Jeniffer Hepler.

Not all accusations against her are fabrication, and her response to this faceless criticism has been extremely foolish and unprofessional, serving only to further shed a negative light on her image, and the already crumbling image of Bioware and EA. Customers actually DO have the right to perpetuate complaints against an employee, and when it degenerates into harassment it only reflects the level of ignorance Bioware displays towards its consumer's opinions. In any other industry she'd be gone already. The developers are just as immature as their demographic.

Really? ...Seriously?

You are a customer by your choice, they do not force you to buy their products, if you do not like the direction or the product do not buy it and move on with your life. If you wish to post criticism of their products you do so in a polite and reasonable way not throw disgusting accusations and slurs at someone. I am sorry but fans like those any company could gladly do without. In fact I would not even call them fans in first place. If you do not like Bioware and you do not like their products and their publisher then leave and go somewhere else, the world is big enough for you to find another developer to latch on to as though somehow your married or they owe you. In reality they owe you nothing more than the product you chose to buy.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 22 février 2012 - 06:17 .

[BellaStrega]

Niddy' wrote...
The reason people dislike her is because she is in gaming.  She said herself the thing she dislikes least about video games is actually having to play them.  Someone who works for a video game company should never even think this; I mean, what is the point of being in the industry?

Her ideology has wormed itself into other games like ME3 with the introduction of story mode and action mode; and people don't like this.

She clearly stated why she dislikes having to go through constant action sequences. I have to admit I am sympathetic to this perspective after going through games where you take two steps and there's another fight - for example, the end of KOTOR. It would be nice if there were a way to minimize repetetiive and seemingly endless fights that appear in some games - for example, the option in KOTOR 2 to skip the space combat sequences.

I don't believe that the fact that she works for a videogame company means she should never think this. She is, after all, entitled to her opinions.

As for story mode and action mode, she didn't even work on Mass Effect 3, so I am uncertain how she could have caused that. I also do not see why an optional feature inspires any rage at all, since you can just select RPG mode and play as if the other two simply do not exist.

[Reptilian Rob]

JohnEpler wrote...

Alright, schythe1 and others, let's end this tangent. It's going around in never-ending circles.

Question.

Why didn't you just say you supoorted Hepler and then lock the thread? Why give people a chance to go on and on and on about it infinitum? Why not just say "Hey, we support our employees, and do not appreciate the bashing." and just leave it at that?

Having an open forum on this is just going to cause more drama than nessasary. 

[Imported_beer]

Sorry, John.

/Deleted because he is a DEMONIC ENTITY and destroys rainbows.

Modifié par Imported_beer, 22 février 2012 - 06:19 .

[Reptilian Rob]

MissyEliott wrote...

We pay more money for video games than movies and music combined. Many people have earned that money and should be allowed to express their disappointment in any product that they've payed for. Bioware has increasingly devolved in quality over recent years and rather than mindlessly target the business in its entirety, steps should be taken to isolate the key weaknesses in its structure. In this case Jeniffer Hepler.

Not all accusations against her are fabrication, and her response to this faceless criticism has been extremely foolish and unprofessional, serving only to further shed a negative light on her image, and the already crumbling image of Bioware and EA. Customers actually DO have the right to perpetuate complaints against an employee, and when it degenerates into harassment it only reflects the level of ignorance Bioware displays towards its consumer's opinions. In any other industry she'd be gone already. The developers are just as immature as their demographic.

I smell entilement issues!

[Dendrite Gunrunner]

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Modifié par JohnEpler, 22 février 2012 - 06:20 .

[schythe1]

JohnEpler wrote...

Alright, schythe1 and others, let's end this tangent. It's going around in never-ending circles.

While that is true it is because of peopl's innability to understand what I was saying or assert that I said I was in support of the event.  I do not feel as though this is my fault or that I should be called out by name when no one else was.

Claryifying how they misinterpreted my view is not a tangent.

[Melca36]

MissyEliott wrote...

We pay more money for video games than movies and music combined. Many people have earned that money and should be allowed to express their disappointment in any product that they've payed for. Bioware has increasingly devolved in quality over recent years and rather than mindlessly target the business in its entirety, steps should be taken to isolate the key weaknesses in its structure. In this case Jeniffer Hepler.

Not all accusations against her are fabrication, and her response to this faceless criticism has been extremely foolish and unprofessional, serving only to further shed a negative light on her image, and the already crumbling image of Bioware and EA. Customers actually DO have the right to perpetuate complaints against an employee, and when it degenerates into harassment it only reflects the level of ignorance Bioware displays towards its consumer's opinions. In any other industry she'd be gone already. The developers are just as immature as their demographic.

And perhaps maybe people took her words too seriously.

That does not give people the right to bully and harrass people. Do you condone that behavior?

And by the way, the gaming demographic is alot different than it was 10 years ago.

I think this all goes down to people HATING change.

[AtreiyaN7]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Alright, schythe1 and others, let's end this tangent. It's going around in never-ending circles.

Question.

Why didn't you just say you supoorted Hepler and then lock the thread? Why give people a chance to go on and on and on about it infinitum? Why not just say "Hey, we support our employees, and do not appreciate the bashing." and just leave it at that?

Having an open forum on this is just going to cause more drama than nessasary. 

Because the supportive people want to be supportive and positive, while the others are going to harp about not being able to voice their opinions if they don't get to take their shots.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 22 février 2012 - 06:36 .

[Darth Krytie]

I found this whole attack on her dispiriting. There's always a low level hostility (at the very least) towards women in gaming, I've found, in any social network dedicated to it. Maybe not from every single person, but it's there. Which is especially said in BioWare's case as their games are the most welcoming and inclusive ones I've ever played.

Jennifer Hepler is an amazing woman. She does a fantastic job. And even if you do not like her work, she doesn't work alone. She functions as a part of a team. If the team did not enjoy her work, it would not be what we see in the games we play. The attacks on her are most certainly affected more by her gender than her abilities.

I do commend BioWare for not only standing up for her, but for acknowledging the attacks on her for what they are: bullying.

I hope she does know that some people are her fans, love her work dearly, and think she's a fantastic women. She shouldn't only be inundated with hate and vitriol.

Modifié par Darth Krytie, 22 février 2012 - 06:23 .