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[John Epler]

schythe1 wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Alright, schythe1 and others, let's end this tangent. It's going around in never-ending circles.

While that is true it is because of peopl's innability to understand what I was saying or assert that I said I was in support of the event.  I do not feel as though this is my fault or that I should be called out by name when no one else was.

Claryifying how they misinterpreted my view is not a tangent.

Again. Let's cut it out. No one's going to change their mind, and we've long since passed 'clarifying my point'.

[schythe1]

JohnEpler wrote...

schythe1 wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Alright, schythe1 and others, let's end this tangent. It's going around in never-ending circles.

While that is true it is because of peopl's innability to understand what I was saying or assert that I said I was in support of the event.  I do not feel as though this is my fault or that I should be called out by name when no one else was.

Claryifying how they misinterpreted my view is not a tangent.

Again. Let's cut it out. No one's going to change their mind, and we've long since passed 'clarifying my point'.

I would agree with you if it was one person but several people either misqouted me or misrepresented my qoute's and I feel my defending them was justified. But if you really want it dropped then fine. 

[Imported_beer]

schythe1 wrote...
Claryifying how they misinterpreted my view is not a tangent.

No. I think you were just saying you were not surprised by it. Not that you justified it.

Here is an ON TOPIC response.

I believe that no matter what the context- be it moderation, bioware's games, a comment from some writer's kindergarten essay, there is a small but vocal minority that will find something to get upset about. Then they will take it, and go PSYCHO with it.

If the context changed, then maybe we'd be having this thread about the harrasment of some other employee- Woo, Epler, Mary Kirby, the intern they hired this summer...whoever. Because people who get their thrills from prolonged harrassment are not acting out because of lack of avenues to express themselves. They are acting out because they enjoy being jerks. And they also enjoy playing victim when they are called out on it.

So what they did? Not surprising. 

The justification of this was. I am not saying you *justified* it. But others did. NOTHING justifies such treatment of another human being who has done you no harm.

[Reptilian Rob]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Alright, schythe1 and others, let's end this tangent. It's going around in never-ending circles.

Question.

Why didn't you just say you supoorted Hepler and then lock the thread? Why give people a chance to go on and on and on about it infinitum? Why not just say "Hey, we support our employees, and do not appreciate the bashing." and just leave it at that?

Having an open forum on this is just going to cause more drama than nessasary. 

Because the supportive people want to be supportive and positive, while the others are going to harp about not being able to voice their opinions if they don't to take their shots.

So basically a 50/50 counter productive/productive thread?

Consider my mind blown.

I think the best way to go about it is to just have Bioware say what they have said and move on. Going on and on about it, and having support threads is only going to rally more trolls and foreveralones to their rediculous cause.

Hepler is a wonderful writer and while I disagree with her on a number of levels I still respect her as a person and writer of imaginative things.

[Kaduos]

 Oh god, the amount of "entitled" people raging the world over is absolutely hysterical. Too funny... I'm serious - I don't even know where to begin...

First off, these people are actually crying about a writer who doesn't play games - or, more accurately, plays games, but would rather see the story than the gameplay? So, let me get this straight; to be a writer, you have to like playing games? Is that what the argument is here? Or is this an argument about gameplay vs story? Or something else? I'm confused, because none of that would make sense anyway, because they're two entirely different things that can exist without eachother completely, so what's the problem again?

[stand-up routine removed]

Back when Joe Rogan played Quake - the guy who does Fear Factor - he did this great stand-up bit about people talking **** over the internet because they were losing (in this case; losing in Quake). It goes something like "If you get these people on a lan, and you're looking them in the eye, they'll shut the hell up and take their medicine". It's the perfect example of this very same situation, because if you stand this idiot right in front of this Jennifer chick, I will gaurantee he wouldn't say a damned thing. In fact, he may fawn over her, because, like Jennifer said, this guy is probably a lonely, self-important nerd.

Seriously, I don't get this whole argument. The fact that Bioware is even taking flak for defending their own is utterly stupid. Think of it this way; if he was just some other guy defending her, none of this would even be an issue, so why does it have to be an issue now? He wasn't at work, and he wasn't representing anyone but himself - I would have done the same thing in his shoes. 

Get a grip, people. News flash; no one but you cares about your ****** opinion, even if it's a good one. The only thing this whole situation is about is that some guy said something that he wished he hadn't, and now he's trying to cover his tracks by acting like the victim, despite the fact that he started the whole thing.

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 22 février 2012 - 06:30 .

[momogfunk]

I just want to support this forum. I can not believe people sometimes.

[Reptilian Rob]

Kaduos wrote...

 Oh god, the amount of "entitled" people raging the world over is absolutely hysterical. Too funny... I'm serious - I don't even know where to begin...

First off, these people are actually crying about a writer who doesn't play games - or, more accurately, plays games, but would rather see the story than the gameplay? So, let me get this straight; to be a writer, you have to like playing games? Is that what the argument is here? Or is this an argument about gameplay vs story? Or something else? I'm confused, because none of that would make sense anyway, because they're two entirely different things that can exist without eachother completely, so what's the problem again?

[stand-up routine removed]

Back when Joe Rogan played Quake - the guy who does Fear Factor - he did this great stand-up bit about people talking **** over the internet because they were losing (in this case; losing in Quake). It goes something like "If you get these people on a lan, and you're looking them in the eye, they'll shut the hell up and take their medicine". It's the perfect example of this very same situation, because if you stand this idiot right in front of this Jennifer chick, I will gaurantee he wouldn't say a damned thing. In fact, he may fawn over her, because, like Jennifer said, this guy is probably a lonely, self-important nerd.

Seriously, I don't get this whole argument. The fact that Bioware is even taking flak for defending their own is utterly stupid. Think of it this way; if he was just some other guy defending her, none of this would even be an issue, so why does it have to be an issue now? He wasn't at work, and he wasn't representing anyone but himself - I would have done the same thing in his shoes. 

Get a grip, people. News flash; no one but you cares about your ****** opinion, even if it's a good one. The only thing this whole situation is about is that some guy said something that he wished he hadn't, and now he's trying to cover his tracks by acting like the victim, despite the fact that he started the whole thing.

Good lord, there IS hope for the internet.

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 22 février 2012 - 06:31 .

[BellaStrega]

[Tangent removed]

Modifié par JohnEpler, 22 février 2012 - 06:31 .

[John Epler]

Folks, I really was serious about stopping the tangent with schythe1.

[AstraDrakkar]

It's such a shame that Jennifer has had to endure this. I am sickened more each day by the amount of internet bullying stories that i hear about in the news. This is why i dont participate in Twitter or Facebook. Good for you Bioware for standing behind her!

[BellaStrega]

Bladefist_01 wrote...

I am going to ask this directly to a moderator, not one of you regulars who just spout the same arguments incessently. What is your (Biowares) statement on the comments made by YOUR employees. I simply want to know what will happen about them. Because, provoked or not, they were not appropriate.

Thank you.

Hopefully, nothing.

If they are it's none of your business and would be a violation of confidentiality for them to reveal it to you.

[Thorsman]

[responding to rampant abuse by random internet strangers is not "a hissy fit". "Grow up."]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 22 février 2012 - 06:40 .

[Imported_beer]

Deleted.

Trying so hard to be classy.

Modifié par Imported_beer, 22 février 2012 - 06:42 .

[Stanley Woo]

Some inappropriate posts removed.

[Kaduos]

Why'd you remove my "stand-up routine"? It was great!

[MissOuJ]

Darth Krytie wrote...

I love this mentality. It's never the fault of jerky people for being jerks. It's the fault of people who allow jerks to be jerky to them. No one ever points a finger at bullies and tells them to knock it off. It's the victims of bullies who should know better. Good grief.

But but but! Freedom of speech! My First Amendment! Y do U hate my freedom and wanna take it away???!!

Seriously though, god fobid we set some standards. Expecting people to act civil towards eachother in a public forum is apparently too much to ask for.

[Firky]

As someone who has had to - very reluctantly - moderate a gaming forum from time to time, and one that is tied to my freelance work, I just have to add that I was so happy to see the reaction from Aaryn Flynn. It was an amazing relief that someone of influence could make such a strong statement in defence of someone else, in the face of such a volume of abuse.

I've been watching the Hepler abuse surely for a year, or more, and I've felt a strange inability to deal with it, on our forum. People twist everything so it seems like some of it should be acceptable criticism. Or so you seem like you're overly sensitive if you are a woman. (I'm female.)

Aaryn Flynn and BioWare's response was a wake up call for me. I'm grateful it was delivered exactly as it was.

[Thorsman]

It was an honest question, Stanley, and I want an answer.

Gabe Newell of Valve is constantly sent emails teasing him about his weight and not one peep is ever heard out of that studio.

Why the outcry?

[AstraDrakkar]

My belief is - There is no excuse for bullying....in any format. I experienced this as a child and it can destroy a person a little at a time, from the inside out. I was able to overcome it and move on. The fact is that no person of any age, sex, race, etc., should have to just put up with it. Bullying is just unacceptable in any form.


There is a difference between constructive criticism and bullying.

Modifié par AstraDrakkar, 22 février 2012 - 06:53 .

[Niddy']

Stanley Woo wrote...

Any not praising/agreeing posts removed.

Fixed that for you.

[Imported_beer]

Firky wrote...
 Or so you seem like you're overly sensitive if you are a woman. (I'm female.) .

*hug* I am sorry.

Oh crap. I need to say something on topic.

Bullying is bad!

[Darth Krytie]

Thorsman wrote...

It was an honest question, Stanley, and I want an answer.

Gabe Newell of Valve is constantly sent emails teasing him about his weight and not one peep is ever heard out of that studio.

Why the outcry?

Because it wasn't teasing. Because it was nasty. Because it was personal. Because no one, at any time, should have to put up with that sort of behavior. Because bullying is wrong. Because putting up with it sends a bad message. Because suffering in silence sends a bad message. Because outcry and supporting your employees is a good message. Because BioWare cares about its employees and doesn't want to see them hurt or abused. Because it's about time some one does something about this sort of behaviour.

Take your pick.

Modifié par Darth Krytie, 22 février 2012 - 06:52 .

[Kaduos]

Niddy' wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Any not praising/agreeing posts removed.

Fixed that for you.

Lies. They removed my perfectly good paragraph that was slamming that child that started all of this. I have it pasted in a notepad, want to see it?

Modifié par Kaduos, 22 février 2012 - 06:52 .