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[Thorsman]

Darth Krytie wrote...

Thorsman wrote...

It was an honest question, Stanley, and I want an answer.

Gabe Newell of Valve is constantly sent emails teasing him about his weight and not one peep is ever heard out of that studio.

Why the outcry?

Because it wasn't teasing. Because it was nasty. Because it was personal. Because no one, at any time, should have to put up with that sort of behaving. Because bullying is wrong. Because putting up with it sends a bad message. Because suffering in silence sends a bad message. Because outcry and supporting your employees is a good message. Because BioWare cares about its employees and doesn't want to see them hurt or abused. Because it's about time some one does something about this sort of behaviour.

Take your pick.

All you've done to support your arguement is throw in a bunch of feeling words.

[royceclemens]

Reposted from the ME3 board:

Two years ago I paid sixty bucks for Alpha Protocol. I was promised an "Espionage RPG." What I got was an ugly, glitchy mess that required specific builds to get to the end of the game, had poor voice acting, flat characters and was only nine hours long.

Upon my second playthrough and first completion (I poured my points into stealth, martial arts and shotguns the first time through and had to start over again) I thought to myself, "Self, I don't think I'll be buying anymore Obsidian games."

And I didn't.

That's how simple it was. I didn't have to harass Chris Avellone, I didn't have to contact Feargus Urquhart (sp?) and tell him his mother had intimate congress with a farm animal, I just... didn't buy Dungeon Siege III. I will not be buying the South Park game, nor will I be buying whatever their kickstarter thing is. I am voting with my wallet and shall continue to do so.

I'm all for the right to criticize. In spite of the presence of the so-called "Biodrones," that's what the BSN is here for. They don't know what to fix if we don't let them know. I'm not even against hating Dragon Age II. I didn't, but I understand that there were things in that game that broke the camel's back for some people, even if they didn't for me.

But this... is just awful. It's bullying and scapegoating for pathetically low stakes. Because that's what games are. They're the thing you do when you're not out and about trying to pay your light bill.

And the sick thing about it is, these people who harassed Hepler? They'll keep buying BioWare games. Just watch. They'll pay sixty bucks a pop because they think it gives them the right to make someone else's life a living hell over the internet. They love hurting another person more than they could possibly love any video game.

Modifié par royceclemens, 22 février 2012 - 06:59 .

[Thorsman]

double post

Modifié par Thorsman, 22 février 2012 - 06:54 .

[Imported_beer]

Darth Krytie wrote...

Thorsman wrote...

It was an honest question, Stanley, and I want an answer.

Gabe Newell of Valve is constantly sent emails teasing him about his weight and not one peep is ever heard out of that studio.

Why the outcry?

Because it wasn't teasing. Because it was nasty. Because it was personal. Because no one, at any time, should have to put up with that sort of behaving. Because bullying is wrong. Because putting up with it sends a bad message. Because suffering in silence sends a bad message. Because outcry and supporting your employees is a good message. Because BioWare cares about its employees and doesn't want to see them hurt or abused. Because it's about time some one does something about this sort of behaviour.

Take your pick.

I'll add that if he had stated it that way without language like "grow up" and "hissy fit" there is a possibility it would not have been removed.

The thing is- such behavior should not be condoned (Bullying that is). Saying that you need to man up to bullying legtimizes it as some kind of rite of passage when the bottom line is bullying is about the intent to hurt. Pointing the finger at the person being hurt, absolves the person doing the hurting of any responsibility of their actions.

At worst, it becomes some kind of stupid blame game.

I have my position on this. I am going to say the bully is the jerk.

Others may have other views.

Modifié par Imported_beer, 22 février 2012 - 06:57 .

[Firky]

Imported_beer wrote...

Firky wrote...
 Or so you seem like you're overly sensitive if you are a woman. (I'm female.) .

*hug* I am sorry.

The two things I've found I can't moderate, without reprisal, are abuse against me and abuse against women. 

(Mind you, the examples I'm thinking of aren't particularly recent.)

Still, this is why we need the guys at the top to step in. I am very grateful for the male mods on our forum.

[Cheep Cheep Cheep]

To be blunt, I think it is flat out dumb to criticize Jennifer Hepler's response to the harrassment. She has been called fat c-word amongst other terrible things. Much misogynist language has been hurled at her, her appearance and intelligence have been insulted, etc. 

She is a human being. Being an employee of Bioware doesn't negate that fact. I guess SOME PEOPLE expect her to just take all of these awful insults with a smile and continue to be perfectly polite about it, even when some people took it upon themselves to send her death threats and even call her at her home. 

Seriously?

I mean... really?

What she said is tame in comparison to the things I've seen said about her by the offenders. And quite frankly, from the looks of things, what she said is an accurate statement. It really boils down to people being able to dish it out but not being able to take it. 

Anyways, I don't ever really post on these forums, but I am now to voice my support of Jennifer and Bioware. It is absolutely abhorrent what she has had to go through, and I am very glad to see Bioware officially backing her up.

[Darth Krytie]

Thorsman wrote...

Darth Krytie wrote...

Thorsman wrote...

It was an honest question, Stanley, and I want an answer.

Gabe Newell of Valve is constantly sent emails teasing him about his weight and not one peep is ever heard out of that studio.

Why the outcry?

Because it wasn't teasing. Because it was nasty. Because it was personal. Because no one, at any time, should have to put up with that sort of behaviour. Because bullying is wrong. Because putting up with it sends a bad message. Because suffering in silence sends a bad message. Because outcry and supporting your employees is a good message. Because BioWare cares about its employees and doesn't want to see them hurt or abused. Because it's about time some one does something about this sort of behaviour.

Take your pick.

All you've done to support your arguement is throw in a bunch of feeling words.

My argument is simple: Bullying is bad.

Just because some other business chooses not to support their employees and allows one of their own to be attacked, unabated, doesn't mean it's the RIGHT decision.

[kirvingtwo]

I'm really glad to see BioWare coming out in official support for Ms Hepler. I'm appalled that this horrible situation occurred. Personal attacks, bullying, harassment and abuse are not justifiable, ever.
I hope that Ms Hepler is not so disheartened (although who could blame her) that she stops writing for games altogether. I want Ms Hepler to know that her contribution to the industry is greatly appreciated by this particular BSN member.

[Keldaryth]

Thank you for providing narrative based games with multiple possibilities. I hope you continue to do so and I think you'll find there's more than enough people willing to support you with their wallets.

EDIT: Also, Kudos to Jennifer Hepler for her contribution to the games she has written on and I hope she continues to write, create and innovate, come hell, high water, or internet trolls.

Modifié par Keldaryth, 22 février 2012 - 07:16 .

[Flepp]

Nice & proper response to utter nonsense. Let people do their jobs. Don't like it? Don't buy the game. Easy. It's just a game, how can that make you try to make someone out for the filth of the earth? Incomprehensible.

[Gyrefalcon]

Ionized Crab wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Ionized Crab wrote...

Biowares new fanbase continues to prove that WRPGs are dead.

The only thing that I can seek comfort in is that Cd Projekt is still alive and The Witcher 2 is still out there.

And according to you have been doing such for nearly 10 years.

Then why don't you sing their praises and leave us alone? It should be clear to you at this point that BW isn't going to be what you want them to be. Why not move on? 

Because I can't. I still love Bioware deep down inside. I want them to change.

But they'll keep pandering to people who don't even like RPGs.

THERE!  Now you are actually starting to get somewhere.  Go to the threads that deal with improvements you would like to see and say that you liked the writing they did on Balder's Gate and would like to see that come back.  That is something the staff could actually work with.  The stuff you have been throwing out so far has not been.  You should let them know what you think works and what you think does not.  Perhaps you will see them put out something with a more retro feel to the games you did like.  However, I did like the writing on DA2 myself, I think that and the particle effects for the ice spells were the best part of the game.  It was not, however, error free and I would like to see improvements as well.  But I am equally certain that the problems you would like addressed are less "this writer" as opposed to "this style".  The Bioware staff are quite adept at writing in a variety of settings and styles.  Ask for what you really want in a game. 

[Stanley Woo]

Thorsman wrote...

It was an honest question, Stanley, and I want an answer.

To quote The Princess Bride: "Get used to disappointment."

[Reptilian Rob]

[inappropriate post removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 22 février 2012 - 07:23 .

[BellaStrega]

JohnEpler wrote...

Folks, I really was serious about stopping the tangent with schythe1.

I replied before I saw your post, sorry.

[Stanley Woo]

Reptilian Rob, schythe1, take it to private or back to /v/. Where you choose to hang out online is off-topic for this discussion.

[schythe1]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Reptilian Rob, schythe1, take it to private or back to /v/. Where you choose to hang out online is off-topic for this discussion.

understood

[Stanley Woo]

schythe1 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Reptilian Rob, schythe1, take it to private or back to /v/. Where you choose to hang out online is off-topic for this discussion.

understood

Also, please understand that this is strike 2 for you, as two separate Moderators have had to speak to you regarding your behaviour here. So please play nice. Thank you.

[Flurdt Vash]

The fact that Stanley Woo just quoted the princess bride a post or two earlier ... just some how makes me even prouder to be a BioWare fan , I love the people.

By the way ...  I wasnt even aware of this story, it truly a slap in the face how some people can be. Its easy to talk smack behind a keyboard, for some thats all they know, but this goes beyond trolling. This is just ... wrong. I hope you guys give Mrs/Miss Hepler my best and support.

Modifié par Flurdt07, 22 février 2012 - 07:57 .

[InHumanTurtle]

Disgusting. Can't believe stuff like that went on.

I hate gamers like that, they take this kind of stuff far too seriously. And as said before, they really do fit the stereotype.

Good to see plenty of support is being given.

[Ainmarh]

Why is there a discussion about this in the first place? There is no excuse for this kind of behaviour, none at all.

The simple fact remains, buying games does not mean you own the games you play. That Bioware chooses to have a (relatively) close relationship with its players is, while widely appreciated, is not at all necessary, and frankly, I'm surprised they maintain it.

[Marinade Plushie]

It's nice seeing Bioware support their employees!

You have my support  Ms. Hepler!

Bioware has some of THE best writers, imo.

[Kulyok]

She's one of the best writers Bioware has, and it's strange that someone would target the person who's given us DA2 Anders and will probably give a lot more.

[Reptilian Rob]

There's seems to be a lot of double standards, like the fact that Flynn and Hepler are getting away with calling the fanbase virgins and morons.

Still, not saying who is right or wrong here, I'm just saying you shouldn't call the kettle black when you are the pot.

[Jahannam]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

There's seems to be a lot of double standards, like the fact that Flynn and Hepler are getting away with calling the fanbase virgins and morons.

Still, not saying who is right or wrong here, I'm just saying you shouldn't call the kettle black when you are the pot.

When I come at you on the street you have a right to defend yourself. After months of this garbage they said something and they are in the wrong?

Thing is nothing can be done to the people that said all that garbage...yet what do you want? Hepler and Flynn to suffer some consequense for it?

Modifié par Jahannam, 22 février 2012 - 08:10 .

[Cheep Cheep Cheep]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

There's seems to be a lot of double standards, like the fact that Flynn and Hepler are getting away with calling the fanbase virgins and morons.

Still, not saying who is right or wrong here, I'm just saying you shouldn't call the kettle black when you are the pot.

In theory that would be ideal, but in reality they are both people, and people generally have a finite amount of patience.