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[LukaCrosszeria]

Valcutio wrote...

I fail to see how this is bullying. Perhaps because the word is a button-issue right now you think it can be lumped in but the truth is that the internet is where people get criticized. You put your name out there and you get people launching insults at you.

I get insulted on the internet all the time, as does Stanley Woo, John Epler and more. I don't understand why this is being blown out of proportion. Is it because she's sensitive about it? I just don't get it.

I'm ashamed to admit myself that I was becoming overly critical of BioWare and their games, that I too began to feel like I'm entitled to the things I personally expected from their games. In my critique, I never resorted to calling anyone names, but my sarcastic remarks were becoming borderline insulting. I missed what happened to Jennifer Hepler, but David Gaider's tweet led me to a few links with articles that served as a wake-up call. If you're not careful, the limit of what you consider acceptable gets pushed further and further when you're surrounded by people who think nothing of flinging the most vile insults at people, showing no respect for anyone or anything. There is no concern for how this affects the other person.

Jennifer Hepler is not "sensitive" about it, her reaction is normal. It's the people who verbally attacked her, who don't know the bounds of propriety, who are abnormal. Amazing that I have to say this, but people who respect each other, will criticize each other without resorting to verbal abuse.

Think on that, on the lack of respect people show you, the next time you're insulted. As long as you accept it, they'll continue, moreover they'll up the ante just to get a reaction out of you. Where will it end then?

[Jahannam]

Here is a constructive criticism of Jens writing...

Heya Jen. I hated the way you wrote up x char in DA2. I think you could have done x y or z instead.

Non constructive....

Heya Jen your a #$%&^ I hope you get %^&S and die.

Get it? Get a grip and grow up if you think the latter is a fine way to express yourself.

[Astarothkun]

I won't even make the mistake to comment on this matter directly.
I just wanted to say imho t's great that Bioware is aware of how bad things like this can get and take the matter seriously. I hope she gets all the support she needs from her co-workers at Bioware and enjoys working for you and us fans who enjoy the story elements she contributes to Bioware's projects.
All the best to you Jennifer and great of you to make this clear statement agains bullying and supporting Bullying Canada, Mr. Muzyka.

Modifié par Astarothkun, 22 février 2012 - 01:30 .

[ndxa]

I read the smuggler storyline has been done by Jennifer. As TOR player I can only say that this - IMHO - is the most exciting story among all the great and exciting storys in the game.

[Nobunaga-Oda]

All Im gonna say is Jen, you didnt deserve that....not at all.

When life hands you a card like that there is only one logical thing to do, and how you go about it is up to you and that one logical thing is.....Keep moving forwards.

-Signed-
- A fellow human being-...or am I?

[Jahannam]

ndxa wrote...

I read the smuggler storyline has been done by Jennifer. As TOR player I can only say that this - IMHO - is the most exciting story among all the great and exciting storys in the game.

Exactly...this woman does not have to be the queen of combat design. Her job is to write a story and has done just fine. Her opinions about the way games should be I can argue...thats her opinion and she is entitled to it bioware employee or not.

[Urik187]

and this right there ladies is why the internet is turning into a miserable cesspool. Disgusting is all I can say. Reminds me why I don't partake in most social media sites. and btw, even if Benn was not a gamer, I am sure that BW has TONS of folks working for them that are not gamers, but I guarantee they are in tops of thief field/work and that's why they help make BioWare awesome because they are great at what they do. You think BioWare is run by devs, designers, artists, etc. Alone? It's a comapny like any other and like I said for BioWare to be where they are today they have the best working for them.

Signed, a BioWare fan from the first days until its last days

[Urik187]

Eek meant JENN not Benn. Sorry guys writing this on my phone and won't let me edit the post :/

[Thandal N'Lyman]

My thanks to Ms. Hepler for her creative efforts to make something I enjoy.
My admiration to BioWare for going public with their support for her.
My contribution to "Bullying Canada" to express my feelings more meaningfully.
My contempt for the original perpetrators of this outrage.

Modifié par Thandal NLyman, 25 février 2012 - 01:31 .

[Jahannam]

Thandal NLyman wrote...

My thanks to Ms. Helper for her creative efforts to make something I enjoy.
My admiration to BioWare for going public with their support for her.
My contribution to "Bullying Canada" to express my feelings more meaningfully.
My contempt for the original perpetrators of this outrage.

My hugs to you. Keep posting. Keep playing. And stop with the hating people ffs..And that wasnt to you Thand..Just wanted to make that clear.

Modifié par Jahannam, 22 février 2012 - 02:01 .

[Acesrwild]

Wow, $1000, so generous of you. What is that like $2 an employee? reach deeper bioware. P.S. Love your games & will always support you. 

[Goddy10]

So this is what it's come to is it?

I have never heard of a games hype becoming so toxic that a mob of charlatans and thugs would use the internet and the Anonymity it provides to destroy a persons reputation and emotional wellbeing, who simply has an opinion on how she would develop a game that could very well appeal to a certain type of gamer.

If anyone who took part in this bile on Reddit is reading this, you're ignorant, stuck up pariahs, and you ought to be ashamed of yourselves. You've just set back our industry and our favorite hobby by years, and given fuel for the fires of those with the agenda like Fox News who have been just waiting for you to provide it to them.

You've got your heads up your arses.

[BGatesTouchesMe]

Bravo Bioware, I will also donate to Bullying Canada.

[Jahannam]

Acesrwild wrote...

Wow, $1000, so generous of you. What is that like $2 an employee? reach deeper bioware. P.S. Love your games & will always support you. 

And you know what? You will never get a number from fans or people in bioware that donated and stayed silent.

[WidowMaker9394]

I can only criticize her work if I have a vagina and a job in the video games industry?

Modifié par WidowMaker9394, 22 février 2012 - 02:06 .

[Jahannam]

WidowMaker9394 wrote...

I can only criticzise her work if I have a vagina and a job in the video games industry?

No, you can criticise all you want. Can you do it without being a jackass is the question.

[Aeowyn]

philiposophy wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

I think that story and gameplay are segregated enough without Heplers ideas.

Deus Ex HR and LA Noire. I urge you to play through those games. Jennifer Hepler isn't the only one with the idea of story mode and skipping gameplay.

Weirdly enough, I think Deus Ex Human Revolution is a case more counter to what Hepler said, in that it's a game where the narrative and gameplay are shaped like each other: they both deal with themes of intrigue and subterfuge. Or did she specifically say combat rather than gameplay?

In any case my point isn't really relevant because what she said was by no means bad enough to warrant anything like what she's had to put up with. Especially since she said it, what, five years ago? Why did it take so long for people to get so riled by it?

Deus Ex HR has a story mode "Tell me a Story". People get riled up with the Story mode in ME3 because that's apparently Hepler's fault but they don't think about the fact that ME3's story mode is hardly new.

Edit: And from what I've gathered it's the combat she's having issues with.

Modifié par Aeowyn, 22 février 2012 - 02:07 .

[Guldhun2]

Jahannam wrote...

WidowMaker9394 wrote...

I can only criticzise her work if I have a vagina and a job in the video games industry?

No, you can criticise all you want. Can you do it without being a jackass is the question.

No you can't. Not on the Bioware forums.


Even if people give well thought out arguments, they quickly get an avalanche of drones replying with the "No it's not, so it's not".

[toli_man]

wait, what ? "hepler wrote" what exactly, dialogue/backstory/bible/nemesis/optionals/alignment dialogue/the entirety of the smuggler storyline ?

how do you know this ?

this is probably the only redeeming part of this sad story, finding out who wrote parts of stories i enjoyed, tolerated, disliked or found to be alien and disjointed or superficial or angsty, disconnected from the environment or the experience, etc.

i'd use more positive words, but the smuggler storyline, as far as i've seen, about halfway through act 2, only has about ... 12 of those moments, out of hundreds. there's a germ of greatness cloaked in derivation and tired characterisations, the gameplay makes it fun, but as a device, the narrative is either comfortable or jarring at times. so i suppose that's the intent of the game there.

Oh i suppose it's just that as a smuggler, there's barely any smuggling going on, i end up once a day, reposting the scavenged remains and body armor off my victims, and the profits from all that great fortune i acquire, barely covers the cost of a speeder.

besides, you'd think that in an intergalactic trade market, you could sell more than 50 items at a time, for more than 2 days... or do a proper search for items, or be able to search for items you can reverse engineer from the market, etc.

bah, wrong forums ...

[Jahannam]

Guldhun2 wrote...

Jahannam wrote...

WidowMaker9394 wrote...

I can only criticzise her work if I have a vagina and a job in the video games industry?

No, you can criticise all you want. Can you do it without being a jackass is the question.

No you can't. Not on the Bioware forums.


Even if people give well thought out arguments, they quickly get an avalanche of drones replying with the "No it's not, so it's not".

Being a mod for 15 years...yeah. Somethings have merit alot do not. I have read this entire thread. My basic deal is this...she is a writer not the end all of the game...her opinion matters to them but it is not going to change the game. Attacking her is really dumb and you might as well attack the bioware janitor for his views on the way a game should be. Its a pointless useless attack simply because bioware signs a paycheck to her.

[mjh417]

Somehow I didn't even know any of this was going on til this morning, but I'm glad to hear that Bioware is gonna support her. She did nothing wrong and a bunch of nuts are attacking her now over nothing.

[Enduance XXVII]

mjh417 wrote...

Somehow I didn't even know any of this was going on til this morning, but I'm glad to hear that Bioware is gonna support her. She did nothing wrong and a bunch of nuts are attacking her now over nothing.

Hah, that's a joke. Both side were wrong. But I guess on these forums only Bioware is right.

[Jahannam]

Enduance XXVII wrote...

mjh417 wrote...

Somehow I didn't even know any of this was going on til this morning, but I'm glad to hear that Bioware is gonna support her. She did nothing wrong and a bunch of nuts are attacking her now over nothing.

Hah, that's a joke. Both side were wrong. But I guess on these forums only Bioware is right.

So give me your facebook page and after I insult you and degrade you for half a year and you finally respond, You will say we are both right.

[AstraDrakkar]

LukaCrosszeria wrote...


I'm ashamed to admit myself that I was becoming overly critical of BioWare and their games, that I too began to feel like I'm entitled to the things I personally expected from their games. In my critique, I never resorted to calling anyone names, but my sarcastic remarks were becoming borderline insulting. I missed what happened to Jennifer Hepler, but David Gaider's tweet led me to a few links with articles that served as a wake-up call. If you're not careful, the limit of what you consider acceptable gets pushed further and further when you're surrounded by people who think nothing of flinging the most vile insults at people, showing no respect for anyone or anything. There is no concern for how this affects the other person.

Jennifer Hepler is not "sensitive" about it, her reaction is normal. It's the people who verbally attacked her, who don't know the bounds of propriety, who are abnormal. Amazing that I have to say this, but people who respect each other, will criticize each other without resorting to verbal abuse.

Think on that, on the lack of respect people show you, the next time you're insulted. As long as you accept it, they'll continue, moreover they'll up the ante just to get a reaction out of you. Where will it end then?

I salute you for being able to admit a wrongdoing. I salute Bioware for sticking up for Ms. Hepler in this matter. People often do not realize how rare it is these days for an employer to stick up for an employee. I can tell you for sure that if such a thing happened to me, i can guarantee my employer wouldn't back me up.

[OmegaXI]

Wow I just found out about this, that poor lady has all my support. Anyway to find the people who did this acount and ban them from bioware games?

Modifié par OmegaXI, 22 février 2012 - 03:01 .