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[member_x]

There's no excuse for this kind of behavior. Disagreeing is one thing, harassment is something else completely.

For those trying to understand what happened, you can check out the link below.

http://www.gamespot....lement-6350732/

It's sad to see Jennifer targeted this way. I hope she is comforted somewhat by the outpouring of support from many in the gaming community (you have my support and best wishes).

We should patiently (cool any gamer rage) and persistently come out against deplorable actions such as this, it has no place in the gaming community. Among many things, it emotionally harms someone, degrades the atmosphere of collaboration and sharing of ideas between developers and fans and needs to be confronted quickly and comprehensively by gamers, developers and the gaming media.

[Thomas Andresen]

pants witch wrote...

I'm going to explain this simply:

If silence had worked, what wound up making the news would not have happened in the first place.

Yet it did.

You make an excellent point. This is beyond anything that could be described as analogous to trolling. This isn't abusement for the sake of amusement, this is abusement for it's own sake. I cannot even fathom how a person could be so abusive and hateful towards one person.

I've been subject to a rather large amount of abuse, myself, during my early youth, but while that was over a period of 6 years, and then some(I really don't have an accurate estimate of the beginning and end of it), I still think this incident is beyond horrendous. Most of what I experienced was much more subtle, but abuse nonetheless.

[Xanatos Chimera]

Self-edited: response serves no purpose.

Modifié par Xanatos Chimera, 22 février 2012 - 11:11 .

[Mage One]

Wow. People really...wow, that's impressive in a completely horrifying way. Good on you Bioware, and stand strong Jennifer. Know that the majority of people I know were utterly flummoxed and disgusted by the unwarranted hate you received. The limited emotional vocabulary of some people is a very sad thing.

[Horus Blackheart]

I normaly stay away from the extreams of internet idiocy but in this case I fell it's important for me to add my coment to this. firstly I read the orignal interview that sparked this whole thing and most of it was taken way out of context. Weather or not you like anyones work from a critical stand point is no excuse for a whichhunt.

I'm truly sickend by what a few thugs with a bloated sence of entitlement are doing  seemingly in the name if hardcore gamers.

I will say that while ms Hepler's reactions and coments were understandable   thay did not really help the situation all that much nor will fleeing from twiter in all honisty..

While I may not like everything bioware writers come up with  (not afan of the whole anders justice confllicted senareo personaly) i'm not about to personaly atack  anyone over it.

Gaming will never be mature and get the respect its due as an art form untill  we loose the lord of the flys  mentality when ever we personaly dislike somthing. That said I do think there there has to be a better balence between profit making and being truly  creative. Not to mention comunicating those concepts to people away from the pr speak.

thats all i have to say

[monima]

What happened was wrong in so many ways. I hope Jennifer is doing ok.

[Talon_Wu]

Knuckle dragging thugs hiding behind internet anonymity. Bullies that found a greater scope than the schoolyard.
I'm glad to see that Jennifer's company and co-workers are standing behind her, as are the majority of gamers. Hope she'll be okay.

[wizard07]

wow , I will donate as well. This is just wrong , My thoughts and prayers to Her as well !

[philippe willaume]

Well
I have been criticising DA2 and act III and anders development in particular but really what happen to Jennifer is totally uncalled for, in fact it makes play like the process a picture of sanity.
I am still not to sure what to make of the post and twitter chain I have seen.
in any case best of luck and best wishes to Jenifer
Philippe

[rshel555]

Please allow me to express my sympathy and disgust for the attacks. Also, I support Jennifer Hepler's position that there should be a way to emphasize the story over the combat. I have chosen to ignore the release of the new game Amalur because it has so much of the hokey fighting component in the previews that it just won't be fun for me. It just doesn't look like a "real RPG". I really enjoyed Planescape Torment as a for instance. Again, I apologize to you, Jennifer, as an adult member of the Bioware community.

[Cyne]

What an awful situation. I have to say the comments Bioware used to respond to the attacks (on twitter) were no better than the original attacks. I am surprised and disappointed by their lack of professionalism. No employee deserves to be singled out and ridiculed, but no company should speak to their customers in such a way, even in retaliation. It lowers them to the standards of their targets and divides people - those with bioware and those against. The fact is, everyone wants the same thing in the end, a good game. This kind of conflict will only distract from that goal.

[Skypezee]

I'll just repost what I said in another thread (which would most likely end up getting locked)

To me, all opinions are valid. I may not necessarily agree with it but I will respect it. To a lot of people, that's something they have a hard time dealing with. Some even make the mistake of perceiving opinion(s) as fact.

I get where Hepler was going with her statement and in my opinion when it comes to RPGs the story and character development play a pretty big role along side the gameplay/combat system. But I also realize that not all gamers are the same. Some don't care for combat and are only in it for the experience and story while others don't care for the story and prefer to just play the game. For me it just depends on what I expect out of a game/genre. And you know there is a game that allows you to skip combat if all you care for is the narrative: L.A. Noir. Some people like it, others hate it. But at least it implemented the idea for those who don't care to deal with the combat system.

In regards to her getting verbally attacked, I will support her. Not because I agree with her statement but because I believe that she doesn't deserve the attacks she got. Nobody does. Just because it's the internet doesn't mean you have to resort to being poo flinging monkeys. I highly doubt that any of those people would have the gall to say that to her in public. As I said, when it comes to what you like and expect in a video game it all boils down to the type of gamer you are and not everyone shares the same views as you do. I know some people who hate cutscenes/dialogue/narratives and prefer the actual game play; I also know some people who hate the gameplay/combat styles of certain genres but they're in it for the story.

And to add on to what I didn't say in my original post: I wish that everyone would act like mature adults but unfortunately it would never happen. It's just so surreal to me on how seriously people took Hepler's comments and it really is just sad.

Modifié par Skypezee, 23 février 2012 - 01:22 .

[Katana_Master]

LOL, I just made a thread about exactly this same thing. I wasn't aware that this thread existed, I just looked in the off-topic section, and didn't find one there, so I made my own.

In any case, regardless of one's gaming preferences, Ms. Hepler's statements did NOT warrant such a vicious attack. The internet provides anonymity to people who otherwise would not dare to say such things to their victim's face. Such attacks are the acts of cowards and bullies.

[Skypezee]

Katana_Master wrote...

LOL, I just made a thread about exactly this same thing. I wasn't aware that this thread existed, I just looked in the off-topic section, and didn't find one there, so I made my own.

In any case, regardless of one's gaming preferences, Ms. Hepler's statements did NOT warrant such a vicious attack. The internet provides anonymity to people who otherwise would not dare to say such things to their victim's face. Such attacks are the acts of cowards and bullies.

That's basically what I said. Since it's the internet people think they can get away with everything because they're not saying all of that directly to the other person's face. But the effects are the same no matter what. It drives me nuts when people say "grow some skin." Even before the internet people would say that to other people who get bullied. Yet it's just not that simple. Some people can be absolutely relentless about the bullying.

So regardless of how people regard video games they need to realize that there are many different types of gamers out there who expect something different out of the games they play. Even if people disagree with Ms. Hepler's statement, that's okay! But they shouldn't attack her for it because she is entitled to having a different view on gaming like everyone else.

[bmwcrazy]

Stanley Woo wrote...
And those who want to post messages of support and positivity are quickly shouted down by those who need to have their say "just so BioWare won't think there are no problems with the game." So it evens out. All you want is fairness, right?

So how about both sides of the discussion allow the other some leeway to discuss their opinions, and both sides be more accepting of dissenting opinions? And you might start by not calling those who support BioWare "drones."

There, now we can all stop being jackasses, all right?

I should make it clear that I belong in neither sides before someone accuses me of something I am not.

While I STRONGLY disagree with a few points she made in that specific interview, I cannot fathom why people have made a great deal out of it.

I will show my support to Jennifer Hepler and NOT Bioware because she has done nothing to warrant such harassment.

Modifié par bmwcrazy, 23 février 2012 - 02:10 .

[Silfren]

Cyne wrote...

What an awful situation. I have to say the comments Bioware used to respond to the attacks (on twitter) were no better than the original attacks. I am surprised and disappointed by their lack of professionalism. No employee deserves to be singled out and ridiculed, but no company should speak to their customers in such a way, even in retaliation. It lowers them to the standards of their targets and divides people - those with bioware and those against. The fact is, everyone wants the same thing in the end, a good game. This kind of conflict will only distract from that goal.

Bioware has EVERY right to speak to the people who attacked Hepler in any manner they choose.

The only way your comment makes sense is if you're actually suggesting that people who attacked Hepler are entitled to be treated better than they treated her because they paid money for the game.  Seriously?  I mean, seriously?

You see why this is nonsense?  Once you attack someone without cause, being a customer of the company whose employee you targeted for abuse is irrelevant.  You have NO moral high ground on which to complain.  

What's with this drive people have to draw moral equivalencies between things that are in no way equivalent?  This is NOT a case of "two wrongs don't make a right" and it certainly has nothing to do with "everyone wants the same thing in the end, a good game."  That latter statement is mind-boggling.  This has NOTHING to do with the game.  The ONLY thing which is relevant in this case is that a woman was singled out for abuse and harrassment.  The motivation of her abusers is irrelevant.  What work Hepler does is irrelevant.  How her employer responded is irrelevant.  The only relevancy here is that a woman was subjected to abuse.  Period. 

All the other crap you twittered on about is meaningless.  Why are you dithering on about how Bioware responded and the quality of the games, instead of the actual issue, which is that A. PERSON. WAS. ATTACKED.

Modifié par Silfren, 23 février 2012 - 02:10 .

[RampantAndroid]

Never knew who she was until now.

Frankly, given the response to the attacks she made on twitter, she's getting exactly what I could have predicted.

Oh, and I think I know who I can lay a lot of the blame of DA2 on now, too. Sad people are sending death threats though. And sad a game company employs someone who doesn't like games and calls other writers old men with beards. Is this related to why another major writer left bioware?

[Skypezee]

RampantAndroid wrote...

Never knew who she was until now.

Frankly, given the response to the attacks she made on twitter, she's getting exactly what I could have predicted.

Oh, and I think I know who I can lay a lot of the blame of DA2 on now, too. Sad people are sending death threats though. And sad a game company employs someone who doesn't like games and calls other writers old men with beards. Is this related to why another major writer left bioware?

Nobody deserves getting death threats or threats of rape like Jennifer Hepler is getting right now regardless if you don't agree with her opinions or you don't like her writing style.

Regardless of how you feel about someone and/or their opinions there are intelligent ways to express that rather than to flat out verbally abuse, harass, and threaten them.

[RolandX9]

I haven't come to the DA II forum in a long time, for reasons that have nothing to do with this post. I came back here specifically to say one thing: it is absolutely obscene what is being done to Ms. Hepler, and insofar as a fan can support a professional with their "vote," I do. When it comes to inclusiveness, Bioware has been at the forefront of the gaming community, and they (and she) deserve praise for their efforts in making video games more accessible (and therefore, enjoyable) to a wider audience.

So don't let the turkeys get you down -- that's what they live for. 

[Silfren]

RampantAndroid wrote...

Never knew who she was until now.

Frankly, given the response to the attacks she made on twitter, she's getting exactly what I could have predicted.

Oh, and I think I know who I can lay a lot of the blame of DA2 on now, too. Sad people are sending death threats though. And sad a game company employs someone who doesn't like games and calls other writers old men with beards. Is this related to why another major writer left bioware?

Yet another post of "Oh, it's terrible that Hepler was attacked, but let me use this opportunity to express my own opinion of DA2."  How completely superior you must feel.

I love how you're snidely--and with no subtlety at all--using this opportunity to heap more contempt at Jennifer. 

Seriously, is "Oh, I think I know who I can lay a lot of the blame of DA2 on now," in a thread discussing the despicable way she was verbally abused really appropriate?  Come on, now.

Finally, your comment that Hepler hates games?  Is false, completely without basis, and just plain ridiculous.  

Modifié par Silfren, 23 février 2012 - 02:30 .

[Gnaeus.Silvanus]

Calling someone over the phone and tweeting derogatory remarks is already harassment and is borderline felony to harm the person.

[Rann]

One more post of support for Jennifer may not mean much, but I offer this one. And I extend it to all Bioware employees who've frankly put up with a lot of abuse on the 'Net. Expressing what you do and don't like about a game in a logical, Socratic manner can only help future products (which helps both company and customer), whereas ad hominem attacks can only create walls to such communication.

[ProneToGlory]

I just read what was said on twitter, and It disgusts me what some "mature" adults say. These people need to learn to grow up fast. Everyone has the right to share their opinions, don't attack them for it...

If I had the money I would donate in a heart beat, but you guys have my support.

Modifié par ProneToGlory, 23 février 2012 - 03:32 .

[scotty0927]

Modifié par scotty0927, 23 février 2012 - 03:44 .

[Roosterfeet]

Is there a way Bioware could set up an account to take donations for Bullying Canada or another charity of Jennifer's choosing? I worry that a large number of small donations to Bullying Canada may go unnoticed where as a large sum collected from the gaming community would have a greater impact.

I'm angry enough to voice my disgust with my wallet and I was going to purchase Mass Effect 3 anyway, so that's hardly fair.