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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 25 février 2012 - 08:03 .
BellaStrega wrote...
Women are not thinner skinned or overly sensitive. You're making some categorical errors here - the first of which is equating calling a man "fat" - which has nothing to do with his gender - to the use of particular words to insult women. Those words aren't mean to insult women's genitals, but to insult women for being women. The idea being that just being a woman is an inferior and discreditable state. There simply aren't any serious slurs against men just for being men. Instead, they're attacked on the basis of body weight (fat hatred), disability (ableism), sexuality (homophobia), economic level (classism), and so on.
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The fact that people chose to channel their disappointment with DA2 at a woman who has a few ideas about how games could be designed so they'd more fun for her is particularly telling in a larger community where men think it's the height of humor to demand "****** or gtfo" of anyone who says they're a woman doesn't simply reflect their disappointment with DA2. Many of the complaints about Hepler and the comments made about her have a very strong "gaming is for dudes" aura about them.
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xnoxiousx wrote...
Some people go to far. I honestly see no issue calling her out and disagreeing with her views on games. Shes not even a gamer she likes story parts and actually dislikes playing them or going against da2 as long as it done respectfully. As soon as you make it personal attack them or reply them on twitter and say unforgivable things thats to much.
Stanley Woo wrote...
Or, instead of suggesting everyone else find a different job so we're no longer in danger of making the kinds of games you don't want, how about you choosing for yourself to not purchase any BioWare game what appears to feature gameplay you don't care for? It would be much simpler and involve you choosing things for yourself, rather than suggesting what other people can or should do with their lives.
NOTE: At no time has BioWare or Electronic Arts marketed Dragon Age 2, Star Wars: The Old Republic, or the upcoming Mass Effect 3, as a "choose your own adventure book".
seraphymon wrote...
Stanley Woo wrote...
Or, instead of suggesting everyone else find a different job so we're no longer in danger of making the kinds of games you don't want, how about you choosing for yourself to not purchase any BioWare game what appears to feature gameplay you don't care for? It would be much simpler and involve you choosing things for yourself, rather than suggesting what other people can or should do with their lives.
NOTE: At no time has BioWare or Electronic Arts marketed Dragon Age 2, Star Wars: The Old Republic, or the upcoming Mass Effect 3, as a "choose your own adventure book".
With that sort of suggestion, you lose customers. You have to appeal to us, since without custumoers your all out of jobs and buisness, not a threat just a fact. I dont know the attacks on JH, but i know enough of what went on with ML. I feel that her idea is completely wrong, and dfeats the whole purpose of a game, so i feel the critisicms against her idea, is justified. a game without gameplay or combat is not a game, so why work in that industry if thats not what you want?
Also i would think that as a company while in support of their empolyess would also take responsibility for her backlash and insults at people.
Modifié par Silfren, 25 février 2012 - 08:20 .
seraphymon wrote...
With that sort of suggestion, you lose customers. You have to appeal to us, since without custumoers your all out of jobs and buisness, not a threat just a fact. I dont know the attacks on JH, but i know enough of what went on with ML. I feel that her idea is completely wrong, and dfeats the whole purpose of a game, so i feel the critisicms against her idea, is justified. a game without gameplay or combat is not a game, so why work in that industry if thats not what you want?
Also i would think that as a company while in support of their empolyess would also take responsibility for her backlash and insults at people.
Silfren wrote...
If you don't know about the attacks on Hepler--just as you clearly don't know much about what she actually said, since she didn't suggest removing gameplay or combat at all--why are you commenting about her "backlash and insults at people"?
Why, exactly, should Bioware "take
responsibility" for Hepler, given that it implies that she did something
wrong? Hepler made a single retort, not to just anyone--not to people in general, not to Bioware customers at large--but to people who had launched a vicious campaign against her that included making threats of bodily harm and involved calling her house.
Your focus really should be on that, not whether Bioware should take responsibility for Hepler calling her abusers jealous virgins.
Modifié par seraphymon, 25 février 2012 - 08:33 .
BellaStrega wrote...
seraphymon wrote...
With that sort of suggestion, you lose customers. You have to appeal to us, since without custumoers your all out of jobs and buisness, not a threat just a fact. I dont know the attacks on JH, but i know enough of what went on with ML. I feel that her idea is completely wrong, and dfeats the whole purpose of a game, so i feel the critisicms against her idea, is justified. a game without gameplay or combat is not a game, so why work in that industry if thats not what you want?
She clearly has more reasons to work in the industry than her wish to be able to skip combat. You're blowing that opinion way out of proportion.Also i would think that as a company while in support of their empolyess would also take responsibility for her backlash and insults at people.
Totally disproportionate. Her comment was extremely mild, and the people she was responded to didn't have any right or claim to polite discourse, given what they had descended to. Stop whining.
seraphymon wrote...
BellaStrega wrote...
The fact that you insist her reaction is as bad as the treatment she received shows you have no sense of proportion. What possible reason could you have for suggesting such an extreme false equivalency?
My opinion is objectively more correct than yours. After all, the people who harassed Hepler broke the law. All she did was say they were a bunch of jealous virgins. Snarky, but by no means illegal. You're trying to make how she was treated her fault, by saying that because she responded all it did was incite people. The fact is, though, people were already incited. They - and you - are simply using her response as an excuse to justify their terrible behavior.
It just proves that the people who tried to dish it out on her can't even handle the mildest reproach. One wonders how much they'd fall apart if they faced the actually literally the same treatment they keep dishing out.
perhaps i worded as much to blame, when i should say partly to blame as well. but there is nothing you can do about random people. i applaud an anti bullying campaign, but i still say she still asked for it in a way . You opinion is not more correct because that is all it is an opinion,. you see yourself being right because its your opinion, but that doesnt not make it so. I dont care if i am right or wrong, i said how i feel and thats that., based on how i see it, and that she is not as innocent as what is led to believe. Wether something is against the law or not, theres always a way to handle things. What she did may not have been lawbreaking but in my view she didnt handle it right, because what she did was incite people. Because thats how people are, its just a common nature. people were already incited yes, but it would have left well enough of alone eventually. Like i said, just pressing a reset button asking for more. Why do you think ML took a leave of abscene from the forums or speaking out. To let all the backlash die out, and to not say something he may have regretted. Im not saying it justifies their behavior in any way, so quit putting words into my mouth. What i merly say is that its a thing that is bound to happen, and if you know that, then you are partially to blame for that drama,
its like i said, its about how the professional carries themselves and what is expected. Most proabably arent affected by her comment at all, they proabably wouldnt be affected if she went all out, even, but that fact that she resulted to even the tinyest of insults, to perhaps a potential customer is the point.
Modifié par bEVEsthda, 25 février 2012 - 11:07 .
seraphymon wrote...
its like i said, its about how the professional carries themselves and what is expected. Most proabably arent affected by her comment at all, they proabably wouldnt be affected if she went all out, even, but that fact that she resulted to even the tinyest of insults, to perhaps a potential customer is the point.
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